One thing though, wouldn't it basically be impossible to get him in for a physical before the draft? Although if the Knicks want the same player the Celtics want, that wouldn't be an issue. Could just trade after the draft.
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Conveniently no time to get him back from Latvia in time for the draft for a physical. How odd that they decide to go all in on trading him at this point when Phil's concerns have been there since he skipped the exit meeting months ago.
This says it is 2 starters, but if it is AB+Crowder+3rd I'd still make the trade.
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I sit next to a Nets/Jets fan at work. It is...difficult for him.
From a pure schadenfreude I'm not sure it gets much better than Phil Jackson fucking over the Knicks.
I think that's a really strong offer. Four 1sts (two likely high lottery) + IT4....thinks it's very defensible from both sides.
#3, Crowder, BOS 2018, and LAC 2019 1sts for KP. They need picks to rebuild. The Clippers pick could be decent if CP3 and Blake leave.
If it's 2 players, then #3/Smart/Crowder/BOS 2018.
If it's 2 players, then #3/Smart/Crowder/BOS 2018.
Yeah, I forgot about where he was located. I doubt Danny has a relationship with any doctors out there
PHX did turn it down, not the Knicks.
https://clutchpoints.com/report-knicks-asked-devin-booker-no-4-pick-suns-kristaps-porzingis/
Cocaine heartbeat. With the huge amount of assets they have that's not even that big a hit to the asset pool.
And Hayward!! That reminds me of those letters you used to see in the Globe Sunday Sports section, saying the Red Sox should all the good players and trade Bob Heise and Cal Koonce
Looking at it, he's trade IT4, Bradley, Crowder and possibly Brown. with picks it would be doable (not that I would do it personally, strips the cupboard too bare).
If the Zen Master really does trade KP bc he has a chapped arse over the exit interview, I will never, ever stop laughing.
I never use the word butthurt but he sounds...butthurt.
I never use the word butthurt but he sounds...butthurt.
If the price is really something like #3 and 1 or 2 of AB/Crowder/Smart/IT4 then yeah, they have to do it. Try to land the 8th pick in the process.
This is just Phil being his usual (stupid) self, and using the media to communicate with a player. This is the same guy who wrote a book about Kobe and Shaq, after all.
The subtext was pretty clear. He said teams called him because Kristaps skipped the exit interview. In his next bad book, he'll spin that interview as teaching KP a lesson about accountability, or whatever. Dolan only cares about selling out the Garden on the nights Billy Joel isn't there, and KP is the most popular Knick in, I dunno, ever?
There's no way he okays a deal for Jae Crowder and Jackson, or whatever.
And if it's not, the Nets are about to become very popular in New York.
The subtext was pretty clear. He said teams called him because Kristaps skipped the exit interview. In his next bad book, he'll spin that interview as teaching KP a lesson about accountability, or whatever. Dolan only cares about selling out the Garden on the nights Billy Joel isn't there, and KP is the most popular Knick in, I dunno, ever?
There's no way he okays a deal for Jae Crowder and Jackson, or whatever.
And if it's not, the Nets are about to become very popular in New York.
If it's Brooklyn 2018 instead of the 3rd, yeah. Both? I don't. Maybe if they send the 8th back.
Nor sure I would as that would as that would likely represent 2 top 5 piks plus 2 mid/late 1st rounders AND IT? I'm not saying it doesn't represent fair value for KP but I think it forces you into a GFIN mode, with only the 2018 Nets pick as the only significant draft capital left. You remove the pending "does IT deserve a max contract" issue, but you're gambling that you're able to sign Haywood/Griffin (not to mention KP to an extension when he's due) With all those 1st rounders included, I doubt there is enough left on the roster to trade for George or Butler. Does that mean you would then be forced to sign Bradley to a big deal when he is a FA?
It's the sort of thing we applaud BB for around here. So Ribo says while /ducking.
How about
#3, 2 of IT4, Crowder, AB, Smart, Nets 2018, and 2 other first round picks excluded the LAL/Kings pick
for
#8, KP, Knicks 2018
edit: Although now that I rethink that, nevermind. That probably makes the Knicks a borderline playoff team.
#3, 2 of IT4, Crowder, AB, Smart, Nets 2018, and 2 other first round picks excluded the LAL/Kings pick
for
#8, KP, Knicks 2018
edit: Although now that I rethink that, nevermind. That probably makes the Knicks a borderline playoff team.
Not sure why these 4 are lumped together. The BRK 2018 is by far the most valuable of the 4, so it really would just be one of the other three[
I mean it's a lot sure, but you still are adding the 8th pick this year, your own 1st next year, 2019 LAC, own 2019 etc. Plus Zizic and Yabusele. That's way more draft assets than most teams in the league have, you also have cap space (assuming you strike out on Hayward/Griffin) or another All-Star type player on a 4 year deal. That's pretty sustainable long term franchise base, while also having a nice 3 year window or so. You can also trade Bradley and/or Crowder for more pieces.
I was thinking the 2018 Knicks pick would have potential to be a pretty high pick itself, but they would be adding 2 starters and Josh Jackson so probably not.
I would lump it as the following. Like a prix fixe menu, he gets 1 from each.
Tier 1
#3
Nets 2018
Lakers 2018/Kings 2019
Tier 2
Crowder
Bradley
Smart
Brown
IT
Tier 3
Memphis 2019-2021
Celtics 2018-2020 (1, not all 3)
Clippers 2019/2020
Zizic
Yabusele
Rozier
Tier 1
#3
Nets 2018
Lakers 2018/Kings 2019
Tier 2
Crowder
Bradley
Smart
Brown
IT
Tier 3
Memphis 2019-2021
Celtics 2018-2020 (1, not all 3)
Clippers 2019/2020
Zizic
Yabusele
Rozier
Next years. There is an outside chance it ends up being outside the top 4. Most likely not, but I'd rather take the sure thing.
I don't think the Lakers/Kings pick is in the same tier, but it's probably in a tier by itself.
This is why I thought the Woj quote that Phil was "making" calls, rather than the old report that he was "fielding" calls was interesting, because it was the first thing that would indicate that this might be something more than his tired Zen Master mind game stuff. Of course, Woj could've gotten that info from Phil or a Phil surrogate, but if he got it from another team, it would indicate it's a legitimate option.
I think it probably has to be 1 of tier 1, 2 of tier 2 and 2 of tier 3. Then I'd move Brown and Zizic up a tier.
I think you could resonably put #3 in tier two. It's the current bright, shiny think, but I think JJ will end up being a J.A.G in the end.
Porzingis and another star via free agency give them an outside shot at a title. I don't think you can trade IT in this scenario, gotta hedge a bit for the present in case of an injury to one of the Warriors.
I'd offer the Nets pick, Crowder, Smart, and the 2019 Clippers pick and let them make the decision. I'm even hesitant to do that, honestly. His size scares me.
I'd offer the Nets pick, Crowder, Smart, and the 2019 Clippers pick and let them make the decision. I'm even hesitant to do that, honestly. His size scares me.
No chance that Danny will give up #3, Brown, Crowder, and 2 other first round picks for Porzingis. That is a ton of assets for one guy, who I love, and think is awesome, but is not a top 10 player.
He'd have Brown in tier 1, so he wouldn't be. And I could see why the Knicks would want something like #3, Crowder, Zizic, and 2 other picks. Although the 2 other picks seem a bit much unless you are getting something else back.
That price doesn't really jive with Woj's tweet though. I would absolutely add another Tier 2/3 though if that's what it took.
Any other owner in the NBA, even Vivek, would be firing him right now.
I mean... this goes right along with Phil trying to get himself fired so he can leave New York and keep getting his paychecks.
I mean... this goes right along with Phil trying to get himself fired so he can leave New York and keep getting his paychecks.