Woj: Porzingis May Be Available

[the moops]

The # 1 pick in the draft, just went for the #3 and a protected future first round pick. I can't imagine that Porzingis would cost as much as the # 1 pick. So going on that, I think the # 3 and either Brown or some other combination of future picks (not BRK 18 or LAL18/SAC19) is reasonable and good value.

Kevin Love went for the # 1 pick, and most think CLE got raped in that deal. Love had just put up 26.1/12.5 season. And yes, he was on a much different contract and was older, but he was at the time, a debatable top 10 player in the league.

 

[theapportioner]

Mallory Edens (Bucks owner's daughter) making her pitch:


Edit: not sure the Celtics have any comparable assets to offer.

 

[Cellar-Door]

That price doesn't really jive with Woj's tweet though. I would absolutely add another Tier 2/3 though if that's what it took.

Yeah, I missed that it wasn't Porzingis and 8. Probably fine with 1 tier 1, 2 tier 2 (w/o Brown), 1 Tier 3 or something like that. I think though that it's better to give up more assets to ensure that you give up IT4 and get back 8.

 

[Luis Taint]

I'd do #3, Lakers '18, Bradley and filler for KP and #8. Other than that it's a real struggle to get to a place where I'd be comfortable also giving that Lakers pick. The Lakers, Nets and Knicks might be in a fight for most shot run organizations. There is a real chance Lakers '18 is the 3rd or 4th pick.

 

[the moops]

I just really want to see 5'6" IT running the pick n roll with 7'3" KP

 

[Captaincoop]

They would be hands down the greatest ever NBA Jam pair.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

#3, a starter a non 2018 BKNY pick and maybe one of the stashes seems fair.


There are risks here and Porzingis injury history and, to a lesser degree, smaller window of control should limit what the Celtics should be willing to surrender. He is unquestionably skilled and fits Boston really well. But his inability to stay healthy is a real issue. It would suck to see any one of the kids who goes at 3 playing even league average basketball over the next few seasons while Porzingis stretches his street clothed fragile lower extremities next to the Celtics bench.

 

[bankshot1]

Keep it simple

Offer the # 3 and a choice of (1) AB/Crowder/Smart. If you got to salt the pot add Rozier or one of the Clippers/Memphis/Celts '#1s.

that could yield 3 starters for the Knicks.

But keep the lottery tickets

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Thing is the Lakers and Suns could still be in on KP. Suns are actively looking to trade Bledsoe. Your deal will not get it done because we aren't the only team in town.

 

[Ed Hillel]

They would be hands down the greatest ever NBA Jam pair.

I have a 2017 version of NBA Jam hack and IT is the worst player in the game. He gets blocked every friggin shot because he's half the size of everyone else.

 

[Luis Taint]

Thing is the Lakers and Suns could still be in on KP. Suns are actively looking to trade Bledsoe. Your deal will not get it done because we aren't the only team in town.

Phil says he wants Jackson. If KP gets traded to the Suns, Jackson will be gone, unless Danny is in love with Tatum.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

If Phil is that zeroed in on Jackson, yeah.

 

[bankshot1]

Thing is the Lakers and Suns could still be in on KP. Suns are actively looking to trade Bledsoe. Your deal will not get it done because we aren't the only team in town.

I'm a little skeptical the Lakers are going to trade the #2, they just traded their PG, and Ball seems to fit the bill, and the Suns have already nixed the Knicks proposal of (#4 and Booker) .

Make a legit but not crazy offer, and if I it has to be sweetened then maybe.

 

[the moops]

# 4 and Booker is the equivalent of what? Jaylen and LAL 2018 pick? # 3 and Bradley?

 

[Jeff Van GULLY]

#3, Lakers pick, Clippers pick and Jae Crowder.

Porzingis is THE GUY the Celtics need, both position wise and skill set.

 

[RedOctober3829]

#Celtics have long held interest in Porzingis but it's uncertain Phil's asking price and Ainge's desire to deal with the #Knicks.

 

[Kid T]

Keep it simple

Offer the # 3 and a choice of (1) AB/Crowder/Smart. If you got to salt the pot add Rozier or one of the Clippers/Memphis/Celts '#1s.

that could yield 3 starters for the Knicks.

But keep the lottery tickets

This. I think if the only way i would trade the 2018 Nets pick is straight up (OK i might include one of the non-lottery 1st rounders or Rozier but that's it).

I don't get folks looking to include #3 the LAL/SAC pick (or worse, unprotected Nets pick) plus players. This would essentially be saying that his value is higher than #1 overall (as it would include the assets obtained in the trade) + significantly more.

 

[Apisith]

This. I think if the only way i would trade the 2018 Nets pick is straight up (OK i might include one of the non-lottery 1st rounders or Rozier but that's it).

I don't get folks looking to include #3 the LAL/SAC pick (or worse, unprotected Nets pick) plus players. This would essentially be saying that his value is higher than #1 overall (as it would include the assets obtained in the trade) + significantly more.

I think Porzingis is easily valued at higher than the #1 overall. Why wouldn't he be? He's got crazy range on offense and he's near elite on D. Compare that to the unknown of someone who hasn't played a minute in the NBA yet, I don't think there's any doubt KP should be valued that highly.

 

[Cellar-Door]

This. I think if the only way i would trade the 2018 Nets pick is straight up (OK i might include one of the non-lottery 1st rounders or Rozier but that's it).

I don't get folks looking to include #3 the LAL/SAC pick (or worse, unprotected Nets pick) plus players. This would essentially be saying that his value is higher than #1 overall (as it would include the assets obtained in the trade) + significantly more.

most of those have the 6 coming back.
Also, I think he's worth the #1 and significantly more, you're eliminating the bust factor and the only downside is health. He's a unique player incredibly well suited for the new NBA, a 4/5 who is one of the better rim protectors in the league and can rain 3s.

 

[SoxFanInPdx]

What's the injuries that make people pause on here? A few rolled ankles, a thigh bruise and a strained achilles tendon....not seeing any stories of a serious injury. Porzingis fits in so well with what this offense does. And most importantly, provides that rim protection that they have been lacking at an elite defensive level.

 

[cheech13]

This all just reeks of Phil trying to send some message to KP for missing the exit interview. What that message is I haven't a clue but this is the exact type of zen bullshit he's been getting off on his entire career. Maybe if they get blown over with an offer but I still say he's a Knick this year.

 

[Ed Hillel]

#Celtics have long held interest in Porzingis but it's uncertain Phil's asking price and Ainge's desire to deal with the #Knicks.

Why wouldn't Danny "deal with the Knicks?"

 

[BigSoxFan]

Why wouldn't Danny "deal with the Knicks?"

Because he doesn't make big deals within the division, amirite?

 

[JCizzle]

This all just reeks of Phil trying to send some message to KP for missing the exit interview. What that message is I haven't a clue but this is the exact type of zen bullshit he's been getting off on his entire career. Maybe if they get blown over with an offer but I still say he's a Knick this year.

Yeah, I'm starting to think this is exactly right.

 

[bowiac]

I don't get folks looking to include #3 the LAL/SAC pick (or worse, unprotected Nets pick) plus players. This would essentially be saying that his value is higher than #1 overall (as it would include the assets obtained in the trade) + significantly more.

I think his value is higher than #1 overall and other assets. He'd be a no-doubter pick ahead of Fultz. I wouldn't blink at giving up #3, the LAL/SAC pick, and Jaylen Brown.

 

[Devizier]

Why wouldn't Danny "deal with the Knicks?"

Because they usually don't have anything worth trading for?

 

[P'tucket rhymes with...]

This all just reeks of Phil trying to send some message to KP for missing the exit interview. What that message is I haven't a clue but this is the exact type of zen bullshit he's been getting off on his entire career. Maybe if they get blown over with an offer but I still say he's a Knick this year.

"The team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, but I'm going to turn down high draft picks and talent to keep a disgruntled player on my roster" is kind of an odd message.

 

[Obscure Name]

"The team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, but I'm going to turn down high draft picks and talent to keep a disgruntled player on my roster" is kind of an odd message.

"Do what I say or I'll trade you to a contender" isn't much better.

 

[JCizzle]

"Do what I say or I'll trade you to a contender" isn't much better.

I'm sure the bullshit sounds much more Zen like in his head.

 

[Mugsy's Jock]

1.) I don't really know all that much about basketball,
2.) I know even less about salary cap planning and strategically building a successful NBA franchise.
3.) I am an idiot.

Now that might lead you to stop reading now, but consider this: I have three things in common with James Dolan.

Accordingly, when it comes to Porzingas, my two instincts would be...

1.) I'd never trade him to Boston regardless of how awesome an offer they make, because I'd be afraid of being outsmarted publicly by the Celtics. However...

2.) I MIGHT consider trading Porzingas for the Brooklyn pick, because having Knicks fans have a great reason to root against the Nets would be tremendous daily back page fodder.

 

[cheech13]

Porzingis is worth more than the #1 pick in this draft and that just yielded #3 and the LAL/Sac pick. Any offer that doesn't start with those two assets plus more just isn't getting it done.

 

[RedOctober3829]

An interesting twist in this KP saga: Knicks are interested in Josh Jackson who is represented by Phil's buddy BJ Armstrong.

 

[RedOctober3829]

"The New York Knicks are holding trade discussions centered around Kristaps Porzingis with each of the teams in the top-5 of the lottery, as well as the Oklahoma City Thunder, according to a report by ESPN.

The Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers, Boston Celtics, Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings and Thunder have all contacted and made offers to the Knicks for Porzingis.

As of now, New York president Phil Jackson has yet to receive an offer of his liking.

The Knicks have placed Porzingis on the trade block because their brass is upset he skipped his exit meeting at the end of the year. ESPN previously reported that Knicks officials have yet to get in touch with Porzingis ever since the season ended."

http://amicohoops.net/report-knicks-discussing-porzingis-trade-with-multiple-teams/

 

[pappymojo]

If they don't trade him, he should definitely skip his exit interview next year.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

What's the injuries that make people pause on here? A few rolled ankles, a thigh bruise and a strained achilles tendon....not seeing any stories of a serious injury. Porzingis fits in so well with what this offense does. And most importantly, provides that rim protection that they have been lacking at an elite defensive level.

A recurring achilles injury (twice this season) and ankle issues this season. Last season it was ankle/foot injuries and a quadriceps strain. As has been mentioned upthread, lower extremity issues for guys Porzingis' size are a concern. To be clear, it shouldn't deter the C's from exploring a deal for him but its also a factor in deciding what they should pay for him.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

 

[Green Monster]

...............................................
The Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers, Boston Celtics, Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings and Thunder have all contacted and made offers to the Knicks for Porzingis...............................

Does this make sense? 76ers need a PG not another big guy

 

[BigSoxFan]

Does this make sense? 76ers need a PG not another big guy

I bet Philly is offering up Saric, future picks, and to take on bad salary like Noah and Melo.

 

[bosockboy]

Don't discount the Lakers/Jeannie Buss/Phil factor. I'm sure if all offers were equal he'd choose the Lakers over us.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Does this make sense? 76ers need a PG not another big guy

It actually makes some sense, even when considering your entirely valid point...

And Lowry lurks out there as a veteran presence at PG. My guess is that he might look at The Process more favorably were this deal to go down.

 

[BigSoxFan]

It actually makes some sense, even when considering your entirely valid point...

And Lowry lurks out there as a veteran presence at PG. My guess is that he might look at The Process more favorably were this deal to go down.

One thing to note is that Porzingis refused to work out for Philly before the 2015 draft, which is why they went Okafor. Would be interesting to see if he's changed his tune. Also a cautionary tale of why it's risky to try to pick your team. Two years later and the Knicks are now the dumpster fire and the Sixers are on the up and up. The Sixers would also probably want to hire like 8 trained podiatrists to oversee that frontcourt if it happened.

 

[Kid T]

Does this make sense? 76ers need a PG not another big guy

There's that Fultz guy...

 

[jon abbey]

Bill Simmons proposed this four-way deal on Twitter which actually might make sense for all four teams (assuming the Clippers think Melo is an upgrade on DeAndre, which I think given Jordan's inability to hit FTs and the intentional fouls that follow is at least arguable).

Bill Simmons‏Verified account @BillSimmons 16m16 minutes ago

FAKE TRADE! Knicks also gets no. 3 + no. 7 picks in 2017 plus Boston's favorably protected LAL/Kings 1st pick. Clips get Boston's 2018 1st.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Bill Simmons proposed this four-way deal on Twitter which actually might make sense for all four teams (assuming the Clippers think Melo is an upgrade on DeAndre, which I think given Jordan's inability to hit FTs and the intentional fouls that follow is at least arguable).

Bill Simmons‏Verified account @BillSimmons 16m16 minutes ago

FAKE TRADE! Knicks also gets no. 3 + no. 7 picks in 2017 plus Boston's favorably protected LAL/Kings 1st pick. Clips get Boston's 2018 1st.

I don't think Celtics would do Crowder, Smart, 3, LAL/Kings, and 2018 1st. Nor should they.

I am a KP fan, but that's the offer you make for Anthony Davis, not KP.

It also doesn't make a ton of sense for MN to swap 7 for a center given their roster.

 

[sezwho]

This is what Phil said to MSG.

On Kristaps, Phil said, "As much as we love this guiy, we have to do what's best for the club."

Phil: "I don't think I've ever had a player, over 25 years of coaching, maybe 30, not come to an exit meeting. It's not happened to me."

Shut up and go away Phil. Ask Steve Kerr and Luke Walton how hard coaching is when you get to roll the ball out to the best players. Best way to ensure your memory gets tarnished is to stick around long enough to tarnish your own memory. Douche.

 

[MillarTime]

What's also intriguing to me is potentially getting #8 back. Would love to see Monk in green.

I'd do #3, LAL/SAC pick, another 1st (probably Memphis), Smart and Crowder for Zinger and #8.

Does that get it done or does Jaylen need to be subbed in for Smart/Crowder?

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

What's also intriguing to me is potentially getting #8 back. Would love to see Monk in green.

I'd do #3, LAL/SAC pick, another 1st (probably Memphis), Smart and Crowder for Zinger and #8.

Does that get it done or does Jaylen need to be subbed in for Smart/Crowder?

If I'm a Knick fan, id hope that Phil curses DA out for wasting his time if that's his offer.

 

[MillarTime]

If I'm a Knick fan, id hope that Phil curses DA out for wasting his time if that's his offer.

Fair enough. So what would you flip to make it more interesting to Phil? Need to include the 2018 Brooklyn pick?

 

[TheRealness]

Bill Simmons proposed this four-way deal on Twitter which actually might make sense for all four teams (assuming the Clippers think Melo is an upgrade on DeAndre, which I think given Jordan's inability to hit FTs and the intentional fouls that follow is at least arguable).

Bill Simmons‏Verified account @BillSimmons 16m16 minutes ago

FAKE TRADE! Knicks also gets no. 3 + no. 7 picks in 2017 plus Boston's favorably protected LAL/Kings 1st pick. Clips get Boston's 2018 1st.

I would hate that trade, but then again it's Simmons and his terrible fake trades. Love his podcasts, but he would terrify me as a GM of my team.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

No chance that Danny will give up #3, Brown, Crowder, and 2 other first round picks for Porzingis. That is a ton of assets for one guy, who I love, and think is awesome, but is not a top 10 player.

That is an insane load for a non-superduperstar! I don't even feel Porzingis' value exceeds the Brooklyn '18 pick on its own the the transcendent talent at the top of next summers draft. The talk of including the Nets pick AND other assets is crazy talk imo.