2017-18 NBA Regular Season Game/Observation Thread

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To be clear, I wasn't dissecting or questioning your comment, BMHH. I didn't watch the end of the game. I was just riffing on the final score to make (or further) a more general point about how surprising Eastern Conference has been. To start the season, CHI@DEN and ORL@OKC looked like classic examples of the epic stompings by Western teams we were supposed to see all season. ~20 games into the season, that dominance hasn't materialized. Nominal Eastern doormats like IND, NYK, BKN and ORL have been surprisingly competitive, while the putatively killer "middle tier" of the West (OKC, DEN, LAC, MEM, even MIN to a degree) seems to have collapsed.
I know, and you make a good point. I just happened to catch the end of the game and saw the Bulls blow a three point lead with 45 seconds left by fouling Will Barton on a three, then on a layup, then giving him a pretty much uncontested layup to lose by 1. I enjoyed their creativity.
 

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My Nuggets definitely stole last night's game. They were outplayed by CHI most of the night and down by 18 in the first quarter.

Of course, they were playing without Milsapp, and Jokic went out with a sprained ankle in the 2nd. Hope it's not serious.
 

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Of course, they were playing without Millsap, and Jokic went out with a sprained ankle in the 2nd. Hope it's not serious.
Me too. Love the Joker.

Should probably have mentioned that in the case of DEN (MIllsap), MEM (Conley) and LAC (e'rryone) injuries have played a big role in the underperformance, and no one can predict those. OKC and MIN have fewer excuses.
 

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My Nuggets definitely stole last night's game. They were outplayed by CHI most of the night and down by 18 in the first quarter.

Of course, they were playing without Milsapp, and Jokic went out with a sprained ankle in the 2nd. Hope it's not serious.

Lyles actually looks like he could be a decent player. I'm not sure why the Jazz gave up on a 6'10 guy who can shoot 3s so quickly.
 

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Garden-variety 46 assist game for the Warriors. Curry 10, Green 10, Durant 7.

Jordan Bell is insane: 16 minutes, 16 points on 8-10 fg, 4 boards, 3 blocks.

And this...

 
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Watching the Pels. Cousins* exerting little defensive effort, Okafor-esque. They will struggle to make the playoffs.


*don't need a statistical nerd to tell me how great Demarcus Cousins is, just a casual observation tonight.
 

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Mitchell was so efficient and got what he wanted by taking the ball inside on the Pelicans which is remarkable, even with Davis' injury later in the game. 13-25 including 6-12 from deep. Old friend Jonas Jerebko was +20 in 21 minutes too.

As a side note, Rondo looked pretty good in this game. He had 11 dimes including some sweet ones to his bigs, eight boards and even made a three. As long as it isn't against the Celtics, I want to see this guy play in meaningful games. He still has the capability to be an impact player.
 

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Quinn Snyder has to be the most under-appreciated coach in the NBA right now. No Hayward, Gobert or Rodney Hood and it's no problem. 12-11 and playing around Joe Ingles, Derrick Favors, Mitchell and Ricky Rubio, he has done an excellent job maximizing the talent he has.
 

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Jordan Bell is insane: 16 minutes, 16 points on 8-10 fg, 4 boards, 3 blocks.
If he stays healthy, I think Bell will be the second-round steal of this year's draft (i.e., the "Malcolm Brogdon" award). Golden State appears to be one of those teams that just drafts smarter than everyone else (look at where Draymond was picked up). Kudos to the front office there. Also -- and it pretty much goes without saying -- after Mitchell's 41 point performance, last year's draft looks like it was insanely stacked. Could be the best since ...? An incredible amount of NBA-ready talent.
 

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As a side note, Rondo looked pretty good in this game. He had 11 dimes including some sweet ones to his bigs, eight boards and even made a three. As long as it isn't against the Celtics, I want to see this guy play in meaningful games. He still has the capability to be an impact player.
One of the great tragedies of the recent Celtics is that we'll never know what Stevens could have made of Rondo, our most enigmatic pile of unrealized potential.
 

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168 minute sample alert, but Jordan Bell’s career #s per 36 min:

15.2 pts on .741 true shooting
10.7 reb
3.4 ast
2.1 stl
3.6 blk
2.4 tov
+19.7 net on-off

He’s already taken JaVale’s spot in the rotation; and with the standard death lineup being weirdly ineffective so far this season (and Iguodala occasionally showing his age), the Warriors’ most fearsome unit right now might be Big 4 + Bell.
 

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Watching the Pels. Cousins* exerting little defensive effort, Okafor-esque. They will struggle to make the playoffs.


*don't need a statistical nerd to tell me how great Demarcus Cousins is, just a casual observation tonight.
Maybe, but that's because of depth, not because of Cousins. If Damien Miller continues to be lights out, they'll be ok but they desperately need another wing or two.
 

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Maybe, but that's because of depth, not because of Cousins. If Damien Miller continues to be lights out, they'll be ok but they desperately need another wing or two.
I made that comment when they were comfortably in the lead last night...not sure if you watched any of the Pels game last night, but Boogie stood in the lane like a statue numerous times and stopped boxing out in the 2nd half. Once AD went down it was over.

Maybe it was the altitude.
 
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Rondo with a pretty insane first half, +27 in 14 minutes against the champs and NO is up 20 at the half (Jrue Holiday also had 23 points). If Holiday and Rondo can stay healthy that is a dangerous team.
 

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New Orleans is up 3 on Golden State, with less than 5 minutes to go. Without Anthony Davis. They won at Portland the other night without Davis. They are 11-11 this season with Anthony Davis.

Somoene let them know that if they don't need or want him, we'll be happy to take the Brow off their hands.

In all seriousness, I think they play better when either Davis or Cousins doesn't play, or they aren't on the floor together (although I haven't checked the numbers). Some sort of weird Ewing effect. Maybe the two of them just don't mesh well together at the same time. The move to get Cousins always seemed weird to me.
 

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GS up 10 now. Outscored NO something like 71-41 in second half
Yep, GS wins by 10. But maybe if Davis played, they would have beaten them by 30. Don't stop my new rumor. I'm running the "NOLA is better without the Brow" theory so far into the ground, it's going to pop back out in Australia. Anthony Davis sucks and they should trade him to Boston for a 2025 2nd rounder while they can get something for him.
 

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BRK with a resounding win over ATL. With 9 wins, they have vaulted into the 9th spot, which means there is a 90+% chance the pick ends up 9 or 10. Very nice.

BRK scored 110 points with no one getting over 17. Had 6 players in double figures. Jarrett Allen had 11 points and 4 blocks in 21 minutes but only 1 rebound.
 

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Absolutely brutal games by Boogie (-32, 7 turnovers) and KD (-8, 6 turnovers), who looked like the worst players on their respective teams. Go figure. Fittingly, they both got tossed late in the game for scuffling.

Fingers crossed for Steph's ankle. Looked like he tweaked it pretty badly, but he did jog off on it, gingerly. Gotta figure he's out at least a couple games — a bummer with his hometown Hornets coming up. As DBMH notes, though, he's got a couple of other issues now (contusion in his shooting hand, mainly) so could be a blessing in disguise.

Pat McCaw and Quinn Cook, come on down...
 

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BRK with a resounding win over ATL. With 9 wins, they have vaulted into the 9th spot, which means there is a 90+% chance the pick ends up 9 or 10. Very nice.

BRK scored 110 points with no one getting over 17. Had 6 players in double figures. Jarrett Allen had 11 points and 4 blocks in 21 minutes but only 1 rebound.
Every BKN win marginally decreases not only the likely spot of the pick, but also the chances that Cleveland goes balls-to-the-wall and is able to flip the pick and some salary ballast for a star this season (like, I dunno, Boogie Cousins?) Let's go Nets!!!
 

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Curry X-rays negative, thank goodness. I died for a few minutes as he went to the X-ray room on crutches. Still looked like a pretty bad sprain.
 

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LOLWizards. I mean, I know they're missing Wall, but ... losing by 47 to the Jazz?

Gotta echo Kliq's mad props for Quin Snyder — playing guys like Royce O'Neal, Alec Burks, Raul Neto, Jonas Jerebko and Ekpe Udoh and crushing fools. They seem to have something of Pop's Spurs in the way they execute you to death on offense and (especially) defense, almost regardless of who's on the floor.
 
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Durant's continued tough guyness is so damn pathetic and annoying. Just STFU and play ball. Real tough guys wouldn't have gone to a 70 win team to begin with. It's like every other game he's barking to start the great NBA "hold me back, hold me back".

Great fn talent but maybe one of most insecure stars I've seen since Arod.
 

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Durant's continued tough guyness is so damn pathetic and annoying. Just STFU and play ball. Real tough guys wouldn't have gone to a 70 win team to begin with. It's like every other game he's barking to start the great NBA "hold me back, hold me back".

Great fn talent but maybe one of most insecure stars I've seen since Arod.
Yeap, the guy who defends himself online with fake Twitter accounts really wants a piece of Boogie. We all believe you KD. 100%.
 

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Without knowing the severity of Curry's injury, I'd say Houston is probably the favorite to be the 1 seed now.
 

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IIRC correctly that is his third ejection this year; which is something I never thought I would see.
 

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Suns are so weird, after like zero effort in any clips in recent games I've caught, including some of those amazing clips against the celtics, they played hard all night and the Sixers shot poorly in the second. I think if they had blown them out they would have folded but they kept it close played tough and then Booker caught fire. Sixers had several runs and then each time booker shot them back to double digits.
Simmons bounced back from his off game and Embiid is getting there in flashes defensively, but man when the shooters are bricking it's hard.
One point down 10 the sequence went open Covington 3, brick, offensive rebound, pass to Redick wide wide open three, brick, offensive board, saric brick, offensive board eventually redick long 2. The worst shot of course the winner

Anyway Booker keeps doing that then they'll win some games, but it seems like if he's off they fold.
 

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Without knowing the severity of Curry's injury, I'd say Houston is probably the favorite to be the 1 seed now.
Yeah, that game-winning KD putback in the opener that was ruled on his fingertips in replay looms pretty large now. Ws would be up a half-game now (with the inside track on the tiebreak) if that had left his hand 0.1 seconds earlier.

Meanwhile, Houston's #5 defensive rating makes them look like a much more legit contender than any point in the Harden era.
 

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Boogie Cousins is probably not the guy I’d want to start something with if I’m a scrawny dude like Durant.
Yeah, me neither.

Seems pretty weird — I understand them scuffling in the heat of battle, but kinda thought of them as Team USA BFFs off court. No idea what set this "almost-altercation" off.
 

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Absolutely brutal games by Boogie (-32, 7 turnovers) and KD (-8, 6 turnovers), who looked like the worst players on their respective teams. Go figure. Fittingly, they both got tossed late in the game for scuffling.
The day the worst player on the team goes for 19/11/7/5/3 in just 32 minutes despite the TO's is the day I will stop being a basketball fan. I'm no Boogie guy (I prefer soothing melodies in my old age), but to blame him for being on the floor each time the Warriors drained a barrage of 3's is disingenuous.
 

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The day the worst player on the team goes for 19/11/7/5/3 in just 32 minutes despite the TO's is the day I will stop being a basketball fan. I'm no Boogie guy (I prefer soothing melodies in my old age), but to blame him for being on the floor each time the Warriors drained a barrage of 3's is disingenuous.
I said "looked like," not "is." Obviously he's a very good player most of the time, and often totally dominant. That wasn't the case last night. There's always a ton of flukiness in single-game plus-minus, but when you're talking +22 in the 16 minutes he sat and a -32 in the 32 minutes he played (net -54), I think it's an extreme enough result to look for possible causes. Anecdotally, the Pelicans offense flowed beautifully with Holiday and Rondo initiating and flying around, the ball whipping around to open cutters and shooters, and Asik in there just to rebound, play D, and clean up garbage. When Boogie was in, it was a whole lot more dribble-dribble-dribble while everyone stands around, then force a shot (7-15 fg) or cough the ball up (7 turnovers).

Strongly doubt it was just about the Ws happening to "drain a barrage of threes" when Boogie was on the floor. (And to the extent that that did happen, maybe on defense he could have flashed out onto the perimeter a bit more often?)

Meanwhile, KD was bad in similar ways: lots of ball stopping, forcing shots, bad fouls, dumb turnovers. Not to mention all the histrionics with Boogie and the refs. Just a bad night for two normally elite players.
 
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