2014 FA: Building 19 Opened for Bizzness

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That's a nice move for the Pats right there.  Looks like he could be cut in camp if he doesnt bounce back to save money, but he gets paid in full if he's a starter.
 
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I hadn't seen reports of Costa's visit, but it may give us some idea what they're thinking of doing with Wendell/Connolly.
 
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Make a run at Alex Mack. If Cleveland matches so be it but I would love to see the center position solidified. Tackle is obviously fine, pending Vollmer's health, and Cannon can slide to guard. Draft depth.
 
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What makes you say that?
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Well, we know they weren't at nearly 24 million in space before Revis signed, but reports had them around 16-17 million yesterday, before the Sopoaga cut, and around 18 after. I also assume that count wouldn't be including anticipated cuts, so if they were including the Sopoaga and Revis moves, but not Wilfork, it should have been closer to 11 million or so.
 
Miguel's numbers look consistent with what's been reported to me. They're actually at around 10.8 million, after factoring in Hooman and Kelly, but Wilfork's anticipated cut put them over 18. The 16.8 wouldn't fit anywhere but before the Sopoaga and Revis moves yesterday.
 
 
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Make a run at Alex Mack. If Cleveland matches so be it but I would love to see the center position solidified. Tackle is obviously fine, pending Vollmer's health, and Cannon can slide to guard. Draft depth.
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I couldbe wrong, but it seems to me that the offensive line positions typically have the highest level of relative success in the draft, especially in the earlier rounds. I'd rather spend the money on pass rush or wide receiver than pay big money to an O lineman, even if it is a need.
 
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Could they be making a play for Alex Mack?
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I think they'd have to give Cleveland a pick either for his rights or to ensure they don't match the contract. 
 
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Well, we know they weren't at nearly 24 million in space before Revis signed, but reports had them around 16-17 million yesterday, before the Sopoaga cut, and around 18 after. I also assume that count wouldn't be including anticipated cuts, so if they were including the Sopoaga and Revis moves, but not Wilfork, it should have been closer to 11 million or so.
 
Miguel's numbers look consistent with what's been reported to me. They're actually at around 10.8 million, after factoring in Hooman and Kelly, but Wilfork's anticipated cut put them over 18. The 16.8 wouldn't fit anywhere but before the Sopoaga and Revis moves yesterday.
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My bad. I keep forgetting the Wilfork cut isn't official.
 
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As far as Alex Mack goes, the door isn't officially shut w Colts pursuing him, but it drastically reduces it, according to league source
 
 
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I think they'd have to give Cleveland a pick either for his rights or to ensure they don't match the contract. 
 
 
My bad. I keep forgetting the Wilfork cut isn't official.
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No picks on transitional tags.
 
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No picks on transitional tags.
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I know, but Cleveland has the cap space to match any offer. I think the only way to get Mack would be to offer a pick to Cleveland for Mack's rights, or a pick so they decline the option to match the Pats offer. I'm not sure if the second one is an actual thing.
 
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Teams reaching out on WR Steve Smith: Ravens, Patriots, Chargers, Redskins, Seahawks. Smith expected to talk to Ravens' Gary Kubiak tonight.
 
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So Tracy Porter and D'Angelo Hall signed in washington, but tonight they visit with Walter Thurmond and Brandon Browner? Huh?
Hopefully 27.5 Mill to Jason Hatcher leaves them with less for Browner--but nice pick-up.
 
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So Tracy Porter and D'Angelo Hall signed in washington, but tonight they visit with Walter Thurmond and Brandon Browner? Huh?
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They're cornering the market.
 
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So Tracy Porter and D'Angelo Hall signed in washington, but tonight they visit with Walter Thurmond and Brandon Browner? Huh?
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Re-signing Hall and adding Porter doesn't make that a good secondary. They knew going in that if they re-signed Hall they still needed at least 2 more DBs.
 
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Vikings are making some decent moves this offseason. 
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Not giving into Peterson and bringing in Vick might turn out to be the best move they didn't make. Cassel is no great shakes but can at least keep the seat warm if they find a QB they like in the draft.
 
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Ed Hillel said:
I couldbe wrong, but it seems to me that the offensive line positions typically have the highest level of relative success in the draft, especially in the earlier rounds. I'd rather spend the money on pass rush or wide receiver than pay big money to an O lineman, even if it is a need.
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This is an interesting thought and I seem to remember a discussion about it (or success at another position(s)) a while ago. 
 
I think that it is certainly more true for first round interior offensive lineman. Super Nomario (IIRC) posted the other day about the hit rate on top 10 LT and how later first rounders were a comparable value. Until very recently, interior OL (guards and centers) were only taken in the first round when they were no-brainer, absolute-lock prospects. 
 
Every time I think about the Pats OL situation I find I have a short thought get rolling and then BOOM - No Dante. So everything we thought we knew about how the Pats did things on the OL is now no longer true. I have no idea if they will change some aspect of the scheme, how much the technical coaching will suffer, whether there is a chance they can still identify and coach up late round or UDFA prospects. It's all a big question mark. Lose Weis, lose McDaniels, lose BOB...there was always Dante to rely on. 
 
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Every time I think about the Pats OL situation I find I have a short thought get rolling and then BOOM - No Dante. So everything we thought we knew about how the Pats did things on the OL is now no longer true. I have no idea if they will change some aspect of the scheme, how much the technical coaching will suffer, whether there is a chance they can still identify and coach up late round or UDFA prospects. It's all a big question mark. Lose Weis, lose McDaniels, lose BOB...there was always Dante to rely on. 
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I think the idea the Pats could just identify and coach up late-round or UDFA prospects is overblown. Who are the solid points on the O-line? First-rounders Solder and Mankins and second-rounder Vollmer (and Cannon, who was a 2nd-3rd-round talent who slipped to the 5th because of medical concerns). Who are the question marks? UDFAs Wendell and Connolly. Talent still matters. I'd say they did a great job having the backups prepared to fill in for spot duty, and they rarely whiffed on high picks even when they were coming in raw (as Solder and Vollmer were). How much of that is Dante and how much is Belichick is unknown - and of course, Brady's quick release and ability to dictate protections helps, too.
 
Bottom line: No doubt Dante was terrific, but in general they gave him good talent to work with. If they give Deguglielmo good talent to work with, I think they'll be fine, especially since they still have BB and Brady.
 
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Time to make a call in the next day or two on Edelman. Vet WR is a need and they'll start to come off the board
 
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