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2017 BB Quotathon

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by tims4wins, Jun 7, 2017.

  1. DrewDawg

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    ISIS has a uniform?
     
  2. Reverend

    Reverend for king and country Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    You don't think that that shirt feels upbeat and optimistic?

    That pic of Bill doesn't just screech warm fuzzies at you?
     
  3. Papelbon's Poutine

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    Lol, you know what I meant man. It's obvious what the graphic is suggesting, but I'm not shocked people might get upset over it. A simple "ISIS" lettering on his shirt may have assuaged some cries from those looking for an easy target.
     
  4. Reverend

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    It sounds like the design may predate ISIS's existence.
     
  5. Van Everyman

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    This is their color splash for Thursday Night Terror.
     
  6. DrewDawg

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    Sure, but this isn't exactly some mass-market shirt. It was likely made by a K9 unit for just their guys.
     
  7. Old Fart Tree

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    Yeah, I'm not a fan of the shirt and think it's lame as fuck, but whatever, he can wear whatever shirt he wants.
     
  8. PedroKsBambino

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    [​IMG]
     
  9. Reverend

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    I<3u
     
  10. Boston Brawler

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    The description of the shirt by the vendor says something about celebrating the death of Bin Laden. This gets press because it's BB.
     
  11. Seels

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    The reaction to this makes me dislike liberals and I'm a liberal. Since when is a shirt advocating taking out enemy combatants controversial?

    It doesn't matter I guess, Belichick could literally wear a shirt of shitting on the Pope and I wouldn't care. I doubt many care what team their politicians follow, why should anyone care what politics their teams support? This seems like a topic that could only exist in the Felger / CHB realm of contrarian for the sake of it.
     
  12. Archer1979

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    He's taking a walk on Nantucket. I can hardly wait to see what kind of scandal he dredges up when he walks his dog.
     
  13. dbn

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    High-quality electronics and home appliances from South Korea?

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Reverend

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    OK, now I'm outraged.
     
  15. tims4wins

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  19. 5dice

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    He could have done better in all three phases: Capitalization, line breaks and attribution.
     
  20. streeter88

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    From Patspulpit.com:
    https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/7/2...oint-practices-detroit-lions-press-conference

    The event, which took place 25 minutes behind schedule, featured typical Belichickian non-answers but emphasized the team's general mind-set: “What people have done some other year it’s really meaningless for the 2017 season.”

    The final question of the day was a personal one, whether or not the coach still enjoyed the process and starting from scratch. Belichick's answer was today's press conference in a nutshell: “I don’t really think we’re going from scratch.”

    No words.
     
  21. bigq

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    Interesting that the Pats Pulpit story made no mention of Belichick's resposes about the CTE questions that he was asked.

    Given that this is the BB Quotathon his comment that “I’m not really a medical expert” seems relevant.

    He also did say "this is an important area that’s being given a lot of attention, as it should.” Thank goodness he is not in denial of the issue like other coaches (Arians) but I've been interested in his thoughts on the topic. Clearly he has an affinity for many of the players he has coached and he may have mixed feelings about the likelihood of them developing brain damage from playing football however there are many risks associated with the sport and those who choose to play in the NFL have access to a growing body of information regarding the extent of those risks.

    https://www.boston.com/sports/new-e...k-on-cte-study-im-not-really-a-medical-expert
     
  22. streeter88

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    Thanks for pointing this out. It is disappointing that it wasn't covered by patspulpit, as CTE is a very serious problem with far reaching consequences for players and the NFL as a whole, and indeed the subject of another long running thread which is justifiably very active.

    While we're on it though, and in the BB quotation thread, I would be interested in BB's views on whether advances in helmet technology had reached the Patriots yet (or are coming soon) and how the team is changing its approach to training camps, game prep and conditioning to help prevent CTE.
     
  23. mwonow

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    Absolutely classic sequence from Friday's press conference:

    Q: How do you help a guy along like Cyrus Jones who has had some issues in the return game?

    BB: We work with all the players on all of the things that we think that they need to improve on. They work on those. Everybody has things they can improve on out there, every single player, a lot of things and coaches for that matter. We're all working on them – everything that we all need to improve on. Hopefully, we'll be better tomorrow than we were today, better on Saturday than we were on Friday and so forth. Just keep moving ahead. Look, everybody has things they need to work on. In some cases it's a lengthy list, starting with me.

    Q: Would you say there are more running backs in this group who are comfortable as receivers than perhaps in other years?

    BB: We'll see. I don't know.

    Q: Do you know when Joe Cardona and Rob Ninkovich will return to the team from their absences?

    BB: Well, when they are I'll be sure to notify you.​

    And then, BB has had enough:

    Q: Austin Carr had a nice grab yesterday in the corner of the end zone. What have you seen from him from the spring until now?

    BB: Right. You know, you guys are asking a lot of questions about what have we seen from ‘this' guy, what are we seeing from ‘that' guy. We've yet to put on pads, alright? I understand that this is a pretty talented group of evaluators in this room, but in all honesty our evaluations come more in training camp when we actually practice and we can fully execute the techniques and the plays that we're trying to do. So the main thing we try to get done in the spring and the main thing we're trying to get done in these two days is to teach the players what to do to give them the most fundamental instruction that we can, given the restraints that we have on practice. Then when padded practices and, I would say real training camp starts tomorrow, we'll continue for quite a while after that, including the preseason games, is when the real evaluations start. So I know everybody's all excited when a guy catches a pass, but when the defense doesn't jam him or their not allowed to really, because we don't want heavy contact out there, aren't competing for contact at the end of the play then it's not quite the same as when all of that's going on. I'm not taking anything away from the receivers. I'm not taking anything away from anybody. I'm just saying it is what it is. The competitive level out there is not what it's going to be starting tomorrow, so to evaluate players competitively when they're not on a competitive level, I have a hard time with. But I know a lot of the people are real good at that and they can make a lot more out of it than I can, but due to my personal limitations and my personal inability to make those evaluations, I don't make them. We can keep asking about how everybody does on ‘this' and how everybody does on 'that'. The main thing for me is to see if they're doing the right thing, doing it properly, how we can correct that, and then there will be a point in time where everybody will be able to go out and do it to the best of their ability against very competitive players on the other side of the ball and we'll see what happens. That's when the evaluations really start, other than if a person can't take the instruction and do what you're asking them to do or can't do it properly, you can evaluate that. But in some cases it's hard to evaluate how they're doing competitively against somebody else when it's really not a competitive situation.​
     
  24. tims4wins

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    Video here, along with snark meter

     
  25. mwonow

    mwonow Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    That's awesome. How long as the Snark Meter been a thing?
     
  26. tims4wins

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    Maybe since this?

     
  27. mwonow

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    That was definitely a chart topper. Where would the Mona Lisa rant rate?
     
  28. tims4wins

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    Good idea for a thread - top BB moments ever

    On to Cincinnati
    Jesus Christ
    Mona Lisa
     
  29. jsinger121

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    We're on to Cincinnati is head and shoulders above anything else.
     
  30. Van Everyman

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    Read that as "We're on to Cincinnati and head and shoulders above anything else."
     
  31. loshjott

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    The long answer may be snarky but it's very thorough and informative. It covers what they want players to accomplish before the pads come on and how the coaches evaluate that, then how that changes with "real" practices.
     
  32. BroodsSexton

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    The chuckling heard off camera through that clip is great.
     
  33. norm from cheers

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    Ryan Hannable‏Verified account @RyanHannable 3m3 minutes ago


    Will you do anything for Tom Brady after practice to celebrate his birthday? Belichick: "Like a parade?"

    Hannable tweeted from today's QA with BB:

    "Will you do anything for Tom Brady after practice to celebrate his birthday? Belichick: "Like a parade?"
     
  34. Dogman2

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    I think they are doing something for his birthday:

     
  35. InstaFace

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    In celebration of their "Patriots Week" of coverage, The Ringer has scanned all of BB's press conferences from the last 2 years in search of the essay-length answers that Belichick will occasionally deign to deliver when a question piques his interest or catches him in a good mood. They present some really excellent snippets, plus links to the full answers and their own fan-perspective commentary on the subject.

    I still remember the answer about looking at what angle the sun is at in a stadium on a particular day and remember it kinda blowing my mind the level of detail they'll prepare for.
     
  36. dcmissle

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  37. GregHarris

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    I think it's amazing that the guy can recall a player he had 25 years ago and almost nail a career statistic - on the fly.

     
  38. Reverend

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    I've actually decided this to read as Belichick has begun colonizing the rest of the league with his own coaches so he has other guys he can trust to run proper joint practices with him that give him a leg up on competition who hasn't figured an equally effective way to train up players under the new "less contact" rules.

    Which is awesome.
     
  39. edmunddantes

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    Hahaha, and they say the man doesn't have a sense of humor.
     
  40. snowmanny

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    jeebers i suck
     
  41. mwonow

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    The yin and yang of BB. From the same presser:

    Q: There was a report out of Cincinnati about their linebacker, Marquis Flowers, being traded to the Patriots. Is that accurate?

    BB: If we have an announcement, we'll make it.

    Q: Are there more of those trade conversations this year than in the past considering there is now only one roster cut-down day?

    BB: I don't know. I don't really track them.

    [later]

    Q: Are there things that you've learned over the years that you think have helped with how you approach that portion of the season, the transition from preseason to regular season, in terms of knowing which fundamentals to peel away from earlier on or other ones to put more attention towards?

    BB: Well, I mean, ideally it's probably like anything else. What you do, you want to get done properly and then lay the foundation and move on to something else. If you move too quickly to the next step, then your foundation crumbles, then you don't really have anything. That's really the judgement, is how long do we stay on the first phase? When are we ready to go to the second phase? And that may vary from player to player. It may vary from group to group. It may vary from the left side of your line to the right side of your line. There are a lot of variables there but you have to try and figure that out and, if you move too quickly, then your fundamentals are just never really in place. If you stay too long, then you can get beat by some schemes because you just haven't worked on them, so there is a balance there. Like I said, it's not the same for everybody. You move at the pace you can move at. Where the [defensive backs] are might be different than where the linebackers are, might be different than where the offensive line is. You've still got to make - that's where position coaches and coordinators make such important decisions, just on not little things, but little things, those types of things. When do we go to the next thing? How much work do we need before we can move ahead? When are we ready to go to the next stage? That's what a good position coach, a good coordinator does. They make a lot of little decisions like that, like "Look, we're not going to be able to do this. We've tried it. It's not going well. I just think we need to try something else or do something else, an alternative way to handle this problem." And those are the kinds of things that really make great assistant coaches because there are a thousand things like that and each one of them is a little bit different and the players are different and so forth. That teaching and those decisions and the presentation and kind of keeping that moving forward, not staying in the same place but moving forward, be moving forward at the right pace, not just at the pace that we did it last year or the pace we did it in '13. It's doing what's right for this team, for this group of guys, how to get the most out of them. That's really the key. It's not easy. That's hard to do. Sometimes you go too fast and you have to back up. Sometimes you go too slow and you're in a catch-up mode and it's hard to catch up. You want to almost on a daily basis continue to hit those sweet spots until you get to a certain point - call it halfway through the year - where you're at that point. The ship is pretty well under way. You can't go back into port and make any adjustments. You're on the voyage, but you want to be in good shape when you get to that point.

    Q: Is it important to evolve with some type of foresight and try to do things that you may have never done before?

    BB: Sure, yeah, but again, if you put time into it, you can put three days into a reverse and run it one time. I mean, that's a lot of time on not very much. Now if that play wins the game for you, then great, but you only have so much time. So how much of it do you want to put it into a sliver of what you're going to be using. But that's kind of the trick, to figure that out. When you commit to something and then at some later point you de-commit to it and you change, then that's a lot that's being washed down the drain. If you have a fairly broad package that you know you're going to use all of it at some point, and when it comes up you're not going to be repaving the road, you're going to be saying "OK, well this is what we did a couple of weeks ago. This is what we did in training camp. Now here is the application for it against this team. Here, they do a lot of this. Here's a situation where they use a lot of bunch receivers. Here is our coverage and these bunch sets that we worked on back in training camp." OK, now there is some recall. There is some fundamental background that you can fall back on versus having never talked about it and like "Alright, well here's how we're going to handle this this week." Well, that's a lot to take on if you haven't taken it on in the first place. Fundamentally, what you want to try to do is have a system that covers the things that you're going to have to cover and be able to go to the different areas when you need to go to them. If you know you're going to be heavy in one area, then you're probably having to go 60-40 or 65-35 in your time allocation to be able to address it rather than 35-65, the other way around. You're spending all of your time on something that isn't going to come up or it isn't going to come up very much, then yeah, you're great at that but it only comes up ten percent of the time. It's just not worth it. Sometimes you get things that come up that you haven't covered before, you've got to cover them. That's football. That's going to happen. You try to, I'd say, keep those to a minimum and when that does happen you just have to be careful about how much you try to do with it like "Alright, we haven't covered this before," so trying to do six different things against it is probably going to be hard. You're probably going to be limited to one or two and hope you can do those well. Yeah, those are the hard decisions in coaching, is trying to anticipate what you're going to need and trying to make sure you have it, and not only have it, but can actually do it. If you can't execute it, then it doesn't make any difference what you have. You've got to be able to do it. To get to that point, that's the hard part.
     
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  43. mwonow

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    That's good, but from the transcript, a not at all vague reminder to the guys who made the cut:

    Q: As difficult as it is to release a guy, what's the experience like to tell a guy who is fighting for a roster spot that he has made the 53-man roster?

    BB: Well, the reality of it is this is the National Football League and there are plenty of guys that are going to be on rosters today, tomorrow and Week 1 that won't be on them in Week 3 or Week 4. That's the National Football League. You keep your job by earning your job on a day-to-day basis. I think that's one of the things sometimes that players, younger players especially who don't have a lot of experience in the league, can make a poor judgment on. They work hard in training camp. They make the roster, make the practice squad, or earn playing time or whatever it is, and then feel like they don't have to do as much or that they've kind of arrived at a certain point, and a few weeks later other players pass them by and their situation changes. That's not uncommon at all. I think that's hard to sustain a high level of performance in this league, so you start at the end of July and sustain it all the way through preseason games and training camp practices and all of that, but the season hasn't started yet. Mental toughness, consistency, resiliency, dependability, being able to do it day after day after day at high level - the competition level is moving up now, not down. The players that aren't NFL players are off rosters and the guys who are on them are theoretically better than the ones who are off them. The competitive level is higher weekly in practice. It's higher in games. Some players will rise with that, that competiveness. Competition will push them up. Some of them, it doesn't work that way. If that's the case, then they're going to be replaced. If they don't know that and they make that mistake, they're going to find out the hard way. Yeah, as much as you want to say "Nice job. You made the team," they're not a permanent fixture on the team. They're here until as long as they're doing their job and they're dependable, and reliable, and consistent and improving. Once that curve starts to head the other way, I would say it probably isn't going to last too long. If they can't figure that out then they're probably going to suffer the consequences. Look, that's the NFL. That's the way it is here and really that's the way it is on every team I've been on. I imagine it that way on every team in the league. I know what you're saying - it's a good moment, but it's a castle in the sand. It could be gone very, very quickly. I hope none of our players, young players, guys who this is the first time they've been on this team, take that attitude. I think that would be a big mistake on their part. Hopefully, they won't do that.
     
  44. loshjott

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    "it's a castle in the sand. It could be gone very, very quickly."

    Words to live by.
     
  45. reggiecleveland

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    I was going post the roster quote if it wasn't here already. BB would have been a sportswriter's dream in the days of print. He isn't TV flashy, but what he says is often profound, and requires a longer attention span.

    A hockey guy I know once left camp with the Red Wings. When he was going to get the news from Scotty Bowman, a vet that figured he would make it told him not to act happy, and to say, "I will do my best to stay here" reminding him you never "make the team" in the pros.
     
  46. tims4wins

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    BB is sick of KC 2014 questions

    "I think I've said it 1,000 times. I don't think anything that we did was really good enough. I'm not really interested in living in the past – in 2014, in 2015, 2003, 2004 – which constantly keeps coming up in everything about some other year than this year and this team. I don't really think all that is relevant because we're talking about another team. But we get 1,000 questions about it every week. So I'm really concerned about the 2017 team and what this team is, what this team needs to do. I'm not trying to live in the past like everybody else is."
     
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    BB on finding a punt returner, courtesy of Boston.com:

    We saw Chris Hogan return some punts in pregame last week before Kansas City, which I don’t believe he has experience doing before, either in college or in the NFL. How do you identify which players might have the skill set to perform those duties when you haven’t seen them do it on film before?

    Put them back there and watch them catch them.

    Is it a tryout basis essentially?

    Well, yeah, eventually that’s what it comes to. You put them back there, see how the handle the ball, coach them a little bit, the flight of the ball, teach them how to read the kick and so forth, how it’s going to break and whether it’s long, short, breaking left or right, whatever it happens to be. If they show promise, then keep working with them.

    Is punt returning one of the toughest things to simulate in practice since you can’t account for some game factors?

    Well, I mean it’s the same with everything. We can turn the music up just like we can turn it up for the offense. I mean, look, practice is practice. It’s the closest we can get to simulating a game. It’s not game conditions but it’s as close as we can get.

    Players that can perform in practice I think have a chance to perform in the game. It’s still another level. It’s another step, but if you can’t do it consistently in practice then it’s pretty unlikely it’s going to happen consistently in a game. That’s really true of every position on the field. I can’t think of one that wouldn’t fall into that category.

    You do what you can do. You make it as realistic as you can make it, or in some cases maybe you make it a little bit harder where you can in some areas and then the game is the game. It’s a different speed. It’s a different level.
     
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    You'd think reporters would know better than to dig into an individual player's performance:

    Q: Would it be fair to say Nate Solder has been a little more inconsistent this year than we are used to seeing from him?

    BB: Well, again, as I said before, I think that overall as a team there are things that we all need to do better; coaching, playing, adjustments and so forth. Sometimes we haven't just executed things the way that we want to do it. There have been a number of reasons for that. Again, all of us can improve and do better. That's what we're going to try and do.

    Q: How much do you think the time missed in training camp has hurt Nate Solder this season?

    BB: Well, of course, the reason why we have practice is so that players can improve. I think any player that practices has more of a chance to work on his fundamentals and improve them than a player that doesn't practice. But that being said, most players somewhere along the line miss some practice time or a game, so that's something that each individual player has to deal with from time to time. You want to have as many players out there as you can and have them improving individually and have them working with their teammates, but as we all know, that's hard to get 100 percent attendance on that. If it's not, then there's another person that steps in and does it, but ideally you want everybody out there, but there's not a team in the league that has that.

    Q: Are you confident that he can reach the same level of play that he has been at before?

    BB: Again, our team isn't centered around one position or one player. It never has been. I can't imagine it will be in the future, so it's a combination of all 11 guys working together offensively, 11 guys on defense, 11 guys in the kicking game. Ultimately, I think that, yeah, each of those units, that we can improve and we can play good, winning football with each unit, which we've done at times and then it hasn't been consistent enough in any area. As I said, every position can get better. Look, it's a team sport and all 11 players have to perform well for the unit to be successful and that's what we're all working towards, so that involves everybody.
     

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