They are supposedly interested in DJ Fluker.Are there any big O-line guys still available?
IMO if they can do something reasonable with Butler and Hightower, Brady's health and well being should be the priority.
They are supposedly interested in DJ Fluker.Are there any big O-line guys still available?
IMO if they can do something reasonable with Butler and Hightower, Brady's health and well being should be the priority.
Pats have some contracts that hit more on the cap in the next couple seasons and will have free agents down the line to consider. I think they'll probably end up rolling at least 15 million over just to be safe.How do they end up spending that? It looks like they won't have to allocate as much to the draft, even if they re-sign Hightower, extend Butler, and sign a veteran RB they'll still have plenty of room, correct?
Interesting. Any idea historically what they've chosen to roll over?Pats have some contracts that hit more on the cap in the next couple seasons and will have free agents down the line to consider. I think they'll probably end up rolling at least 15 million over just to be safe.
Oline guys don't get much bigger than that...They are supposedly interested in DJ Fluker.
It's usually in the 5-10ish range. I honestly don't see how they spend 35 million at this point, though, even if Hightower comes in at the higher end for 2017 (16 millionish). Even if you extend Butler and sign Fluker, they're short.Interesting. Any idea historically what they've chosen to roll over?
The top 11 from that 2013 draft was just gross:Oline guys don't get much bigger than that...
Wow... that's just awfulThe top 11 from that 2013 draft was just gross:
Eric Fisher
Luke Joeckel
Dion Jordan
Lane Johnson
Ziggy Ansah
Barkevious Mingo
Jonathan Cooper
Tavon Austin
Dee Milliner
Chance Warmack
DJ Fluker
I don;t think they can. There is a prohibition on trading the pick that is in line to be forfeited.Just kind of spitballing here but shouldn't the Pats be exploring any opportunity to trade down from 118 to somewhere 119-131 to pick up an extra pick? even if it is just a 2018 7th rounder.
Volin seems to differ; but he's been wrong beforeI don;t think they can. There is a prohibition on trading the pick that is in line to be forfeited.
Usually at least 5 million for injury replacements or trades.Interesting. Any idea historically what they've chosen to roll over?
He's an idiot. Trading it away would impair the penalty by worsening the pick forfeited.Colin seems to differ; but he's been wrong before
Ben VolinVerified account @BenVolin 3h3 hours ago
That said, the pick doesn’t forfeit until draft night, so Pats can still trade 4-118. They forfeit their highest 4th
I had had Volin's take on it as well, but reading the language of the penalty posted above makes it sound that the Pats cannot trade the top 4th round pick at any time it's in their possession as their highest pick. So when they only had their own pick, they couldn't trade that one. Once they picked up the Seattle pick, they couldn't trade that one but could then trade their own. Now in picking up the Saints' pick, they can now trade the Seattle one or their own, but not the NO one.Colin seems to differ; but he's been wrong before
Ben VolinVerified account @BenVolin 3h3 hours ago
That said, the pick doesn’t forfeit until draft night, so Pats can still trade 4-118. They forfeit their highest 4th
They'll need an extra $8 million alone just to pay Cooks next year above what he's making this year, assuming they exercise his option in a few weeks. They could cut him or restructure him before the next league year if he's not injured, but at least for planning purposes they need to have that room.Pats have some contracts that hit more on the cap in the next couple seasons and will have free agents down the line to consider. I think they'll probably end up rolling at least 15 million over just to be safe.
This reminds me that fuck Roger Goodell.Rule was written explicitly to keep Pats from messing with the penalty because of spygate 49ers pick. The penalty is their highest owned pick and it can't be impaired. So whatever is the currrent highest pick is forfeit and doesn't exist, unless a higher is obtained.
Goodell shall have what he bargained for and no moreVolin seems to differ; but he's been wrong before
Ben VolinVerified account @BenVolin 3h3 hours ago
That said, the pick doesn’t forfeit until draft night, so Pats can still trade 4-118. They forfeit their highest 4th
Damn we should have signed Ryan too!
Miguel says the cap space with everyone except Hightower is now around $31.3 million. Add back in at least $5 million for an Amendola cut/restructure. Figure Hightower will be $8 million or so. Butler trade would add $4 million back in.
Just to give a sense -- even if the Patriots were to make Hightower's deal completely pay as you go and not defer any cap hit, were to resign Amendola at something crazy high like 2/8, and give Butler Gilmore's deal, they would still have something like $21.5 million left. Future years would be tougher, but just an FYI.Damn we should have signed Ryan too!
Yup. It went on the pats cap on the start of the new year so he has it in there as counting.Is miguel counting the tender? Since Butler hasn't actually signed it.
Here's the rule from the CBAWhat are the rules on carrying money over? Cle had something like 50mil to roll over this season... could they theoretically do this for a few seasons and then either blow it all on a 300mil year, or spread it out and essentially play with a cap that's 10-20mil higher than everyone else for the next decade? Is the only thing limiting this the 90% spending minimum, or are there other explicit limits on how much can be rolled over?
(v) Carrying Over Room. A Club may “carry over” Room from one League Year to the following League Year by submitting notice in writing signed by the owner to the NFL no later than fourteen (14) days prior to the start of the next League Year indicating the maximum amount of Room that the Club wishes to carry over. The NFL shall promptly provide a copy of any such notice to the NFLPA. The amount of Room carried over will be adjusted downward based on the final Room available after the year-end reconciliation
I don't think what's left of Revis lines up all that well with Pats' needs - but Revis returning for a second year and winning a second ring (giving him twice as many Lombardis as the Jets) would be almost painfully funnyI don't know if he burned bridges, but if Butler is gone, I might inquire about Revis as a 3rd corner/nickel D back, on a 1 yr. heavily incentive-laden deal.
He was embarrassed last year and might be motivated to redeem himself.
This is the player I really want too. He makes so much sense for the Patriots considering Long is a goner and Ninkovich is coming off a down year. Barwin is pretty versatile but is a much better fit in a 3-4 scheme, that's why I find it curious that he had a visit with the Bengals the other day. He's meeting with the Rams today, which makes a lot more sense considering they'll primarily run a 3-4 under new coordinator Wade Phillips.Who is still out there of interest on defense?.
Connor Barwin (LB/edge guy, ex-Eagle) is still a FA. I always thought he was very disruptive and had a great nose for the ball.
always struck me as a Pats type player.
No idea what he wants.
Too bad Zuttah just got traded to the 49ers instead of getting released by the Ravens.The Patriots got incredibly lucky in terms of OL health this past season.
I'm pretty sure Baltimore still has Urschel another year. He was drafted in '14 so '17 will be his fourth season.Too bad Zuttah just got traded to the 49ers instead of getting released by the Ravens.
Speaking of a former Raven, the one I am keeping an eye out is G John Urschel (the MIT math wiz). He's an FA this year but very little news.
Would be a solid depth move (only 26). He'll certainly feel right at home with Patricia & Fleming:
http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/27798/head-of-the-class-ravens-john-urschel-gets-straight-as-in-four-phd-courses-at-mit
Aaargh. Saw him on a list of FA: http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2017G.php at the start of the FA period.I'm pretty sure Baltimore still has Urschel another year. He was drafted in '14 so '17 will be his fourth season.
But being President is OK to him.Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 10h10 hours ago
Robert Kraft: “For me, personally, I believe that privilege (of playing in the NFL) is lost for men who have a history of abusing women.”
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For Kraft to find a way to say something I basically agree with, but to do it in a way that comes off smarmy and paternalistic and obnoxious on about three different levels, is some Andrew Cuomo level grossness for sure.Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 10h10 hours ago
Robert Kraft: “For me, personally, I believe that privilege (of playing in the NFL) is lost for men who have a history of abusing women.”
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So, Adrian Peterson is still on the table
Awesome. This thread was going on way too long. I'm so glad someone brought politics into it.But being President is OK to him.