Man... great catch, but what an ugly throw. We know Brady wasn't getting hit by the defense as he threw.
No, but there was a lot of traffic in front of him. If he saw Cooks was wide open, all he needs to do is get it close.
Anyone going tomorrow? Hoping for a combo like last year of rain keeping fans away but not enough to cancel practice/move it indoors.
Zolak said/reported that Brisset's roster spot wasn't safe and that Brisset had looked worse in this camp than last year.
Can we talk about it now? Is Zolak enough of an OFFICIAL SOURCE and not reflexively hated?
Belichick in an interview on Sirius/XM the other day said that Brisset's injury "derailed" his progress last fall and that he hadn't shown a lot of growth in the spring/OTA phase. The competition for the 53rd roster spot is fierce; there are a lot of talented football players who are going to be cut, and most of them will end up on rosters or practice squads elsewhere. Only rarely in the Belichick/Brady Era have the Patriots carried three quarterbacks, and when they have it has been because of some other factor (injury/suspension).
If Brisset regressed after his injury and hasn't played well in the spring or summer - his draft pedigree is not going to guarantee him a roster spot. Kevin O'Connell was a third round pick too and he was cut after a year. If Brisset hasn't shown enough growth and development, why would they keep him on the roster? And exactly what did he show in those game last season - other than toughness? He was in a simple scheme, had trouble accurately finding receivers, and looked like he needed lots of development to even be on the roster. Sure, some other team might snap him up - but would some other team be able to develop him properly?
I think it likely at this point that Brisset gets cut at the end of camp and then spends his year on the Practice Squad.
Can we talk about it now? Is Zolak enough of an OFFICIAL SOURCE and not reflexively hated?
Belichick in an interview on Sirius/XM the other day said that Brisset's injury "derailed" his progress last fall and that he hadn't shown a lot of growth in the spring/OTA phase. The competition for the 53rd roster spot is fierce; there are a lot of talented football players who are going to be cut, and most of them will end up on rosters or practice squads elsewhere. Only rarely in the Belichick/Brady Era have the Patriots carried three quarterbacks, and when they have it has been because of some other factor (injury/suspension).
If Brisset regressed after his injury and hasn't played well in the spring or summer - his draft pedigree is not going to guarantee him a roster spot. Kevin O'Connell was a third round pick too and he was cut after a year. If Brisset hasn't shown enough growth and development, why would they keep him on the roster? And exactly what did he show in those game last season - other than toughness? He was in a simple scheme, had trouble accurately finding receivers, and looked like he needed lots of development to even be on the roster. Sure, some other team might snap him up - but would some other team be able to develop him properly?
I think it likely at this point that Brisset gets cut at the end of camp and then spends his year on the Practice Squad.
The injury definitely derailed his progress, but I don't know where you get Belichick saying that Brissett hadn't shown a lot of growth in the spring.
http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/bill-belichick-it-will-be-interesting-year-jacoby-brissett
They used to carry three quarterbacks a lot (and of course famously carried four one year) but that with the old emergency QB rules. I believe last year and Mallett's rookie year are the only seasons they've carried three under the new CBA. That's not to say they won't, though; clearly Belichick values the position.
I would guess Brissett sticks but I don't think this outcome is unlikely, and I agree with everything else you wrote. Heck, they did this with a third-round pick just last year (Geneo Grissom).
That would not surprise me. Before hearing reports of recent struggles, I thought they might part ways with him after this year if Brisset was not progressing (in their eyes) to meet the benchmarks they probably set for him -- adequate backup now/potential starter.
If he is regressing, it makes the drumbeat to send JG out of town even more amusing.
If he is regressing, it makes the drumbeat to send JG out of town even more amusing.
Of course there's a chance that the third string project QB doesn't make the 53. BFB has to make hard decisions every year in that regard. But it seems that we don't have a ton of evidence that the JB decision has been made already. Certainly the clickbait morons have no insight.
They have a ton of decisions to make and a month of future evidence to parse before they make them.
They have a ton of decisions to make and a month of future evidence to parse before they make them.
Brissett isnt a lock, they've carried 2 QBs going into year a fair amount of times and they've cut players with draft pedigree in their second year, but due to my personal limitations on being able to evaluate early camp play of a developmental quarterback based on hearsay Im going to hold off on proclaiming whether he makes the roster or not.
And exactly what did he show in those game last season - other than toughness? He was in a simple scheme, had trouble accurately finding receivers, and looked like he needed lots of development to even be on the roster. Sure, some other team might snap him up - but would some other team be able to develop him properly?
He showed he was a raw third string rookie who wasnt ready for game action, but we already knew that. He certainly seemed to win the respect of the coaching staff and his teammates for toughing it out and the coaching staff liked his potential enough to activate him at the end of the season with no gameday role. Doesnt tell us much about how his offseason development went, but some evidence the team was happy with what he showed his rookie year and during his emergency starter role.
That would not surprise me. Before hearing reports of recent struggles, I thought they might part ways with him after this year if Brisset was not progressing (in their eyes) to meet the benchmarks they probably set for him -- adequate backup now/potential starter.
If he is regressing, it makes the drumbeat to send JG out of town even more amusing.
The story like four days ago was that JG was regressing. The story today is that Gronk is regressing. Its a camp with few starting position battles and, to date, only one real injury of note (Slater). Im taking all these stories with a giant grain of salt.
And exactly what did he show in those game last season - other than toughness? He was in a simple scheme, had trouble accurately finding receivers, and looked like he needed lots of development to even be on the roster. Sure, some other team might snap him up - but would some other team be able to develop him properly?
He showed he was a raw third string rookie who wasnt ready for game action, but we already knew that. He certainly seemed to win the respect of the coaching staff and his teammates for toughing it out and the coaching staff liked his potential enough to activate him at the end of the season with no gameday role. Doesnt tell us much about how his offseason development went, but some evidence the team was happy with what he showed his rookie year and during his emergency starter role.
That would not surprise me. Before hearing reports of recent struggles, I thought they might part ways with him after this year if Brisset was not progressing (in their eyes) to meet the benchmarks they probably set for him -- adequate backup now/potential starter.
If he is regressing, it makes the drumbeat to send JG out of town even more amusing.
The story like four days ago was that JG was regressing. The story today is that Gronk is regressing. Its a camp with few starting position battles and, to date, only one real injury of note (Slater). Im taking all these stories with a giant grain of salt.
Zolak was pretty down on Garrapolo last week for reasons that remain unexplained. So, who really knows where Brisset stands.
I do agree that this is a very important camp for JB, and I agree it's not a lock he makes the 53. But I'm not sure how credible a lot of these roster predictions are at this stage. And I don't believe Zolak has any inside info. As always, it will be interesting to see the post-Brady QB usage against the Jags.
I do agree that this is a very important camp for JB, and I agree it's not a lock he makes the 53. But I'm not sure how credible a lot of these roster predictions are at this stage. And I don't believe Zolak has any inside info. As always, it will be interesting to see the post-Brady QB usage against the Jags.
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Scene-setter: Bill Belichick just dropped to the ground to do push-ups with the scout-team offense after Jaguars apparently won the drill.
Scene-setter: Bill Belichick just dropped to the ground to do push-ups with the scout-team offense after Jaguars apparently won the drill.
Will Jacoby Brissett make it through waivers? My initial thought would be to try to get him to the P-squad.
There are a lot of really bad QB situations in the league. If he's cut Im not sure he'd make it through waivers, who knows, depends on his perception outside of New England. Im also not sure New England represents Brissett's best practice squad opportunity if he is cut nor whether, if we are in a world where the Pats value Brissett such that he's worth exposing to waivers, it makes sense for the Pats to have Brissett on the practice squad instead of a different developmental quarterback.
But this is all way, way ahead of things.
But this is all way, way ahead of things.
Nice piece from Ross Tucker at Sports on Earth on how BB is far ahead of the curve vs. other Head Coaches in embracing joint practices:
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/246932388/bill-belichick-nfl-training-camp-patriots
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/246932388/bill-belichick-nfl-training-camp-patriots
Made it, and while getting on the bleachers is tough we got on for the last hour.
Impressions
Run D should be stout again.
Cooks speed/quickness is something to experience. If he and Brady "click" watch out league.
Gillmore on Lee didn't look good but could just be SSS. I'm sure they'll scheme up the secondary to their strengths.
And when it comes to good guys Shaq Mason went up on the list. Signed for the whole session plus 15 minutes extra at least. Jags guys signed even longer, wonder if they're used to 10k+ fans at preseason.
FOXBORO – The Patriots’ backups will be on display tomorrow night in the preseason opener against the Jaguars at Gillette Stadium.
Quarterback Tom Brady, tight end Rob Gronkowski and wide receivers Brandin Cooks and Julian Edelman highlight the list of veteran starters who are expected to sit against the Jags, according to sources.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/the_blitz/2017/08/sources_tom_brady_rob_gronkowski_brandin_cooks_among_starters
Quarterback Tom Brady, tight end Rob Gronkowski and wide receivers Brandin Cooks and Julian Edelman highlight the list of veteran starters who are expected to sit against the Jags, according to sources.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/the_blitz/2017/08/sources_tom_brady_rob_gronkowski_brandin_cooks_among_starters
Gonna be interesting to see what Jimmy does. If he sucks it up, cue the "we should have traded him" chatter. If he plays well, cue the "OMG, we'll have to franchise him after this year" chatter.
It's may be a worthless preseason game to most, but for him it's actually huge and a chance to show last year's six quarters weren't a fluke.
It's may be a worthless preseason game to most, but for him it's actually huge and a chance to show last year's six quarters weren't a fluke.
I would expect (hope?) we wouldn't have to use it much when the games count.This GIF will get plenty of use in the game threads:
The more I watch Jimmy, the more I move towards him being too good to let go. If it means franchising him for a season to keep as a backup then move into position as starter, you do it. If you're getting a good offer for Brady from a non-contender in the offseason?
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So much for him "sucking it up ..."
Relatedly, there is serious and informed chat in another thread of the Pats' cutting one recent second-rounder, if not two.
Draft picks are overrated
There ya go.
Way to compete. Way to compete.
Edit: Also, because I love the video...
So, who was as excited as I was watching Jacob Hollister run down the seams?
Apparently, he needs to work on blocking a ton. Otherwise, would love to have him on the roster. Like Carr, he won't make it to the PS.
Apparently, he needs to work on blocking a ton. Otherwise, would love to have him on the roster. Like Carr, he won't make it to the PS.
He's a good player but does he have a role on the team? Gronk and Allen are definitely ahead of him. Does he bring more to the table than Lengel or O'Shaugnessy. JOS has a ton of ST value so I wouldn't discount him from making the team solely for that.
I feel like every year we worry about guys not making it to the practice squad and relatively few are actually claimed. Teams all have 90 man rosters of players they like now, and they had 250+ opportunities to draft UDFAs like Carr and Hollister and didn't.
And the players who have not made it to the Pats' practice squad and then went on to notable careers with other teams are ...?
That's not a rhetorical question; I'd like to know if there are any and who they are.
It's hard to answer because we don't know whether the Pats would have put guys on the PS or not, but notable rookie cuts who latched on elsewhere include Robbie Gould, Cre'von LeBlanc last year, Ted Larsen (who was a draft pick). Jeremy Mincey (also a draft pick) is probably the most prominent. I'm probably missing a couple.
Robbie Gould, Jeremy Mincey, and Cre'von LeBlanc come to mind. Kamu Grugier-Hill was solid last year on ST for the Eagles, as an honorable mention.
Searched through all team transactions 2002-2016 to be thoroughly exhaustive enough.
Gould was also out of the league for a few months before the Bears signed him. He went to the Ravens after the Pats and was cut by them before signing mid 2005 season.
Nah draft picks aren't overrated any more than they were when we were all pissed about losing a first. Franchises that don't get value from draft picks will see performance erode. Its just that 1) individual picks have have high variance and 2) there's more to getting value out of draft picks than just picking a player when your turn comes up.
Gillislee still struggling to get on field with injury: https://pilotonline.com/sports/fantasy-sports/football-gillislee-s-injury-making-patriots-backfield-more-of-a/article_372e3b56-81e9-11e7-abe4-fb2bfa4bb292.html