Unlike prior years when this inevitably comes up, the Yankees have enough bullets to rival a M134 Minigun, be it in prospect depth at all levels, or money they're willing to spend.
I wouldn't be shocked if they have Sabathia, two of the aforementioned SP*, Ottavino or Miller, Machado, Gonzalez (versatile, batted ball profile grades out very underrated by Statcast), when it's all said and done.
This is as good of a reminder as any that I need to run some of my own numbers (xwOBACON) on unlucky/market inefficiency bats, since I feel Cashman uses something to evaluate with some overlap based on prior transactions.
Genuinely surprised to see Keuchel isn't on Heyman's list, honestly. Maybe they don't think he's worth giving up the pick for, given the QO?
*Especially Kluber. Yankees seem like they've covered that absolute ace beyond Severino to match Sale for sometime now. Fits the bill on quite a few levels, and you have to cash some of those prospects in a large trade at some point, right?
I think it would be a re-tooling more than a blow-up. That bullpen requires a rebuild and they need to address OF/3B. Next year's payroll is projected to be a club record at ~$145M with arb raises, so it's likely they will need to shed payroll and/or acquire pieces by trade. They didn't even give Brantley a qualifying offer after a nearly 4 WAR season. Something like Carrasco + Kipnis saves ~$24M in 2019. They could also move on from Yan Gomes and save another ~ $9M.Are the Indians blowing it up? If so I understand trading him to NY.
But if they still see themselves as a playoff bound team I don’t see any reason you trade kluber or carrasco to NY unless no NL team is offering anything of quality value.
Andujar + Sheffield + ? might be equitable from a value perspective, but I can't see Cleveland trading one of their studs without getting bona fide outfield help back. Zimmer took a step back last year and then hurt his shoulder and is out until at least May, and Naquin is a fourth outfielder at best. All they have is Leonys Martin, a 31-year-old platoon guy who literally almost died from a bacterial infection a couple months ago.I think it would be a re-tooling more than a blow-up. That bullpen requires a rebuild and they need to address OF/3B. Next year's payroll is projected to be a club record at ~$145M with arb raises, so it's likely they will need to shed payroll and/or acquire pieces by trade. They didn't even give Brantley a qualifying offer after a nearly 4 WAR season. Something like Carrasco + Kipnis saves ~$24M in 2019. They could also move on from Yan Gomes and save another ~ $9M.
If Carrasco gets you something like Andujar + (Sheffield + a lower minors prospect?), that sets the Indians up with a lot of cost controlled talent.
SS: Lindor (3 years, arb eligible 2019)
2B: Jose Ramirez (5/$46M!!!)
3B: Andujar (pre arb, 5 years)
OF: Tyler Naquin (pre arb, 5 years)
OF: Bradley Zimmer (pre arb, 6 years)
SP: Kluber (3/$53M)
SP: Bauer (3 years, arb eligible 2019)
SP: Clevinger (4 years, arb eligible 2020)
SP: Sheffield (pre arb, 6 years)
RP: Brad Hand (3/$24M)
I personally think there is close to zero chance that CLE moves Kluber or Carrasco to one of the other three AL powerhouses, but in that proposal Andujar could be moved to a corner outfield spot.Andujar + Sheffield + ? might be equitable from a value perspective, but I can't see Cleveland trading one of their studs without getting bona fide outfield help back. Zimmer took a step back last year and then hurt his shoulder and is out until at least May, and Naquin is a fourth outfielder at best. All they have is Leonys Martin, a 31-year-old platoon guy who literally almost died from a bacterial infection a couple months ago.
I've been wondering that. Has Andujar ever played the outfield?I personally think there is close to zero chance that CLE moves Kluber or Carrasco to one of the other three AL powerhouses, but in that proposal Andujar could be moved to a corner outfield spot.
No, he's really never played anywhere but 3B, not 1B either.I've been wondering that. Has Andujar ever played the outfield?
Three month recovery time, they say, and it's evidently been bothering him since 2017.Gary Sanchez is having surgery on his left shoulder per Cashman. He said he's going to be ready for Opening Day.
On today's episode of High Heat on the MLB Network, Mad Dog Russo proposed that the Yankees execute an Andujar, Sheffield & Frazier for Kluber deal.Yankees are going to trade for an ace type.
I’d offer that. Sign Machado and Corbin and those prospects won’t be missed one bit.On today's episode of High Heat on the MLB Network, Mad Dog Russo proposed that the Yankees execute an Andujar, Sheffield & Frazier for Kluber deal.
This makes total sense and there shouldn't be an offer that beats it. Yankees do this and sign Happ and Marwin Gonzalez and they're all set for next seasonOn today's episode of High Heat on the MLB Network, Mad Dog Russo proposed that the Yankees execute an Andujar, Sheffield & Frazier for Kluber deal.
Yup, and then sign Machado.This makes total sense and there shouldn't be an offer that beats it. Yankees do this and sign Happ and Marwin Gonzalez and they're all set for next season
If they are to sign Machado, that means Stanton is an LA Dodger.Yup, and then sign Machado.
Why?If they are to sign Machado, that means Stanton is an LA Dodger.
Because based on what the Steinbrenner sons have done since they've taken control they won't lock themselves into A-Rod type contracts unless a situation like Stanton presents itself. They will spend money this offseason, but the days of them doing multiple 10+ year deals are over.Why?
You're ignoring Sheffield there, plus spinning every component in the worst possible way. Also, Kluber is 6 years older than Sale was when he was dealt to BOS. I think those three are probably an overpay by NY in a vacuum but could see it making sense depending on what else they have planned.A defensive liability with no position and a player with a history of concussions. Cleveland can do better than Andujar/Frazier. They should be looking for a Chris Sale type return.
And Ryan Lavarnway to CNY resigned Gio Urshela to a minor league deal, nice depth option at 3B.
Yeah, I agree with all of this, Paxton is very good when healthy but he is not healthy too often. He just turned 30 this week and last year was the first time he broke 150 innings in the bigs.^fair enough on the "long history", but I do think teams will be wary of him as a big piece though, since he is just so recently removed from it. And considering how frequently these things can become recurring, I just dont think teams see him as an extremely valuable piece.
While the Sale/Kluber comp certainly isn't perfect, Kluber has been absolutely dominant the last two years, and his lowest bWAR of the last 5 years is 4.4 in 2015. He has two 8 bWAR seasons in that time frame, and I think that the fact that Sheffield is a "worse" prospect than Kopech, the second tier prospect involved in the Sale trade, compensates for the age concerns. So yea, I dont think Kluber is worth a package like Kyle Tucker/Forrest Whitley(or idk Tatis/Gore), but I think the Indians would demand at least 2 top 50 prospects plus some high upside pitchers in order to trade him. If Kluber is on the block and being aggressively shopped there are a lot of teams that are gonna go after him.
Paxton's stats arent as great as I was thinking(I was still thinking of the one dominant stretch he had to start the year), but I would still think they demand Sheffield+.
Yeah the Eovaldi '14 example isn't great because he wasn't any kind of difference maker then, but I think we agree, I think they have pieces to get someone younger and really good that we're not thinking of/ talking about. Taillon, Freeland or Marquez, that kind of thing (those are totally off the top of my head).I think whether or not NY trades for one of those three rumored SPs (Kluber, Carrasco, Paxton), they will need to sign a bunch of FAs (1-2 infielders, at least 1 SP, 1-2 relievers) and that will help free up some of the younger players as potential trade chips.
Interesting, Paxton is who I prefer anyway. I know he is injury prone but he just needs to be healthy for the playoffs.
Also, the Yankees are very high on Florial. Not likely to be dealt.