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Sitting on big leads until they almost blow it or, on rare occasions, actually do blow it, seems to be a signature characteristic of the Tatum/Brown era Celtics.

Tonight, the Celtics had a 16 point lead with 5 minutes left and allowed the Bucks to close it to 3 with an 18-5 run, before hanging on for a 6 point win.

In the previous game, they had a 9 point lead with 2:20 to go, and gave up a 9-0 run forcing OT, which they lost.

It's just what these guys do, and it is maddening. They played 43 great minutes against the Bucks and then all but wasted that effort.
Would you feel better if they grinded their way through 4 quarters going back and forth all night before pulling out a squeaker? Or is dominating the Bucks most of the night bad somehow? Maybe it would be better to allow the 18-5 run earlier?

The other team gets paid to try too.
 

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Would you feel better if they grinded their way through 4 quarters going back and forth all night before pulling out a squeaker? Or is dominating the Bucks most of the night bad somehow? Maybe it would be better to allow the 18-5 run earlier?

The other team gets paid to try too.
Lillard went 4-4 for 10 points in under 3 minutes down the stretch (before he missed the dunk). Sometimes, guys get hot. On the other side, the C's missed a few wide open looks from 3 in that stretch. Make miss league. Before that point, Dame was 7-18 from the floor (finished 11-24). Giannis was 7-20. The C's forced 19 turnovers. Tatum/KP/Jrue went 5-21 from deep, but our bench went 6-10 and got 31 points.

This is a really, really fucking good team.

Just stay healthy.
 

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Tonight, the Celtics had a 16 point lead with 5 minutes left and allowed the Bucks to close it to 3 with an 18-5 run, before hanging on for a 6 point win.
"[A]llowed the Bucks to close it to 3" is a weird way of putting it as I presume you saw the game.

One important stat: Cs were 12-23 from 3P in the 1st half; 5-19 from 3P in the 2nd half. KP's 3P down the stretch was super important and he was something like 2-20 before that.

Cs held on because they made enough plays to offset Dame going nova in the 4Q. And when Dame gets hot, it opens up the rest of the court for players like Lopez and Middleton.

Frankly, if I'm MIL, I feel pretty good about the game. MIL missed a ton of shots at the rim; BOS shot over 40% from 3P; and MIL had a chance to win it at the end. It looks like MIL can - particularly if Middleton is healthy - can find openings in BOS's defense and if they make a few more shots at the rim, maybe BOS gets fewer transition buckets.
 

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Hauser guarded Dame numerous times in Q3. Didn't get torched at all.

Hauser's defense against starting alphas has been one of the bigger eye-openers thus far.

PP is regaining his offensive swag is a nice development over the last 2 games.
 

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Another thing to point out.

KP only played 27 minutes. He was the only starter that was positive at +3.

If he doesn't get the Theis treatment and plays 33 minutes, this game plays out differently too.

Hauser was a +10, Horford was a +5, PP was a +6.

Bench scored 31.

If our starters have a bad game as a group, and we still beat the Bucks. LOL
 

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Sitting on big leads until they almost blow it or, on rare occasions, actually do blow it, seems to be a signature characteristic of the Tatum/Brown era Celtics.

Tonight, the Celtics had a 16 point lead with 5 minutes left and allowed the Bucks to close it to 3 with an 18-5 run, before hanging on for a 6 point win.

In the previous game, they had a 9 point lead with 2:20 to go, and gave up a 9-0 run forcing OT, which they lost.

It's just what these guys do, and it is maddening. They played 43 great minutes against the Bucks and then all but wasted that effort.
We never really had a big lead though. The Bucks hung around and hung around which we all know can be dangerous if the leading team becomes just a little bit complacent. A 15-pt lead in the NBA is 5 possessions which can evaporate in 90 seconds if your guard is down.
 

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Jesus Christ, they won a game wire to wire against a perennial conference contender with Giannis and Dame where the Bucks never had a chance to take the lead or win in the second half. To be honest, I didn’t think even you would come in this hot after that performance.

I’d say a signature characteristic of this era of the Celtics is getting to the final four.
 

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If Joe doesn't keep the 2nd unit with Jaylen/KP/White together after he yanks Tatum in the 1st, I will lose my fucking shit. That threesome is so fucking good together, and it should be obvious to a middle school basketball coach, never mind an NBA head coach.
Unlike middle school coaches, NBA coaches are not trying to win every game. Tinkering with lineups and not showing your hand is way more paramount compared to a random middle school coach.
 

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Hauser guarded Dame numerous times in Q3. Didn't get torched at all.

Hauser's defense against starting alphas has been one of the bigger eye-openers thus far.

PP is regaining his offensive swag is a nice development over the last 2 games.
Those of us who have watched aren't surprised when Hauser is ok. He has been ok for a long while now. But he looks good. Like he gives up fewer advantages than most people. Sure, the system helps. But when he's forced to man for 5-7 seconds, he can do it. He's aware off ball too. I really hope they lock him before he figures out what he's worth.

We never really had a big lead though. The Bucks hung around and hung around which we all know can be dangerous if the leading team becomes just a little bit complacent. A 15-pt lead in the NBA is 5 possessions which can evaporate in 90 seconds if your guard is down.
This. a 15-pt lead when the other team has Giannis and Dame and Marc Davis (I know, but another variable) is shit, and the Cs took their foot off the gas pedal for a few minutes. That's all it takes in 2023. In 1985, sure that game was 99% over at 15pts at the end of the third. But this isn't then, especially when Dame can play superman as well as anyone on earth.
 

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Dame going Superman at the end reminded me of Steph in game 3(?) of the '22 finals, except that, you know, the Celtics won the game.
 

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I don't think the Bucks come out of that feeling great. They're slower and older than the Celtics, and it shows. They really were only able to get back into it at the end when the refs completely swallowed the whistle, which negates the Celtics physical advantages. It's hard to play out of the post, or take it into the lane, when you're getting mugged repeatedly with no call.

The real swing factor here is Middleton. He moves really badly on defense now, and has a much harder time creating his offensive advantages. PP was able to credibly defend him, which wasn't the case in the past.

Wrt the Celtics 3-point %: honestly, it probably should have been higher. This is who the Bucks are: they give up a lot of 3s, and the 3s they give up are high-quality looks. Nothing much has changed since they had to concede 18 open 3s to Grant in a game 7....if anything, the structural issues are worse.

I don't think this was a perfect or great game from either team, and Milwaukee definitely deserves respect. But the Celtics are better, and they'd probably be something like 75% favorites in a series at this point.
 

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We never really had a big lead though. The Bucks hung around and hung around which we all know can be dangerous if the leading team becomes just a little bit complacent. A 15-pt lead in the NBA is 5 possessions which can evaporate in 90 seconds if your guard is down.
Well, the lead topped out at 18, I think, midway through the fourth.
I don't think the Bucks come out of that feeling great. They're slower and older than the Celtics, and it shows. They really were only able to get back into it at the end when the refs completely swallowed the whistle, which negates the Celtics physical advantages. It's hard to play out of the post, or take it into the lane, when you're getting mugged repeatedly with no call.

The real swing factor here is Middleton. He moves really badly on defense now, and has a much harder time creating his offensive advantages. PP was able to credibly defend him, which wasn't the case in the past.
Yes, I'm selling my stock in the Bucks after this one.

There was also a fun little confrontation between Giannis and Adrian Griffin. Griffin wanted to take Giannis out in the third, and he resisted it. When Giannis finallt did come out, he argued with Griffin on the sidelines and then stayed near the scorer's table until Griffin put him back in a minute later.
 

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Those of us who have watched aren't surprised when Hauser is ok. He has been ok for a long while now. But he looks good. Like he gives up fewer advantages than most people. Sure, the system helps. But when he's forced to man for 5-7 seconds, he can do it. He's aware off ball too. I really hope they lock him before he figures out what he's worth.
Hauser is in the process of taking one of the larger leaps in the entire league this year. He's doing much better than ok defensively and not to compare those "similarities" but his game has developed similar to Strus of a couple years ago on both ends of the floor.

Defensively, they are both excellent positional defenders who are below avg in transition or against numbers situations in motion due to not having great athleticism. I don't know their exact numbers but Strus appears to have the better wingspan which helps him a ton and why I have had him as an overall plus defender for a few years now. Hauser is getting right up there though.
 

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Very satisfying win. It was great to see Jaylen scoring with such high efficiency, although there were two times I actually thought he needlessly passed out of a mid range jump shot that he should have taken (at least live). The second was when he passed to Jrue with barely any time left and Holdiay had to put up a very quick 3. Maybe Brown didn’t have a good look, impossible for me to say, but from the tv angle it looked like a shot that was well in his bag. Still, a great night for him and glad to see it.

When do we start to get concerned about the war on Porzingis? He’s been getting in foul trouble a lot lately, and the Ts seem like a really silly thing he needs to fix. I would imagine a second T would be harder to get in game, but I don’t want to see him tossed in a tight game or suspended for too many Ts in a season.
 

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It was great to see Jaylen scoring with such high efficiency, although there were two times I actually thought he needlessly passed out of a mid range jump shot that he should have taken (at least live). The second was when he passed to Jrue with barely any time left and Holdiay had to put up a very quick 3.
Simmons, Lowe, etc Translation:

"There is clearly dissension among the Celtics starters and how the new guys are fitting in, freezing others out and simply overall poor chemistry. In the past we had a coach who could fix these things. Trouble in Beantown!"
 

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I felt a lot better after last night’s win, when the Bucks failed to complete the comeback, than I did a couple of weeks ago when the Celtics failed to complete the comeback in Philly. Wins are good.
 

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Hauser guarded Dame numerous times in Q3. Didn't get torched at all.

Hauser's defense against starting alphas has been one of the bigger eye-openers thus far.

PP is regaining his offensive swag is a nice development over the last 2 games.
According to NBA.com (maybe tgis link: Milwaukee Bucks vs Boston Celtics Nov 22, 2023 Box Scores | NBA.com ?), DL was 2-4 against Hauser. One of those included an attempt where Holiday was the main defender and Hauser came over to help (which makes me wonder how these stats are generated but that's another discussion) so at the end of the day, as far as I can tell, Dame had a step-back 3P over Sam, a driving layup over Sam, and a key miss down the stretch where Dame thought he got fouled (and the peeps over at Sons of Bobby Dandridge are saying shows how biased the refs were against MIL).

So really 2-3. Not terrible but given the 4Q, not different from other Cs players except for Holiday.

If MIL and BOS meet in the playoffs, the real chess match will be to see how BOS keeps Jrue on Dame and what MIL does to get to any other matchup.
 

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Another nice development, Hausers' volume of 3s is at 10 3PA/36 (tops on the C's) so it's not just a guy burying open 3s. Drawing plenty of attention won't show up in the boxscore (unless you believe in +/- On

Simmons, Lowe, etc Translation:

"There is clearly dissension among the Celtics starters and how the new guys are fitting in, freezing others out and simply overall poor chemistry. In the past we had a coach who could fix these things. Trouble in Beantown!"
Ha, the media has been spoon-feeding us the Jaylen/KP living in the same building, taking a car to practices/games together, and paling around nonsense. We are getting full on winning/Kumbaya NBA media spin now.

I do think KP unlocks a lot of stuff for the JAYs. Brown with 8 assists & 1 TO last night was big time development.
(I want my credit for saying something nice about Jaylen Brown)
 

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Another nice development, Hausers' volume of 3s is at 10 3PA/36 (tops on the C's) so it's not just a guy burying open 3s. Drawing plenty of attention won't show up in the boxscore (unless you believe in +/- On
There was a play last night that didn't amount to anything IIRC but showed how much confidence Hauser is playing with at the moment. There was a mini fast break where he received an outlet pass around half court, dribbled a couple times then found Pritch cross-court who had some space, and Hauser IMMEDIATELY followed his pass to the top of the arc ready to receive a return pass and fire away. If I'm remembering the play right it was well-defended or the Celtics didn't quite get a screen in place or something like that so the shot wasn't there but in the moment I remember thinking it was such a great shooter's play by Hauser. Chasing those guys around is such a pain in the ass—it draws a ton of attention even if he doesn't get a look on a given possession, and they have so many other good shooters & scorers that the minute a defense keys on Hauser they will soon be dead in some other way.
 

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Are the Bucks a paper tiger? It seems weird to even think that about a team that has a top 2 or 3 player in Giannis, a top scoring PG in the league in Lillard, and that just came a basket away from forcing OT and maye beating the Celtics.

But here are their top 11 players in minutes:
  1. Giannis: age 29, MVP at the peak of his powers
  2. Lillard, age 33, still great but nearing the end of or past his prime
  3. Lopez, age 35: can he still do everything the team needs from him?
  4. Beasley, age 27: role player
  5. Connaughton, age 31: role player, past his prime?
  6. Portis, age 28, role player
  7. Payne, age 29, role player
  8. Middleton, age 32, is he working his way back from injuries or is he no longer the player the Bucks need him to be?
  9. Crowder, age 33, role player
  10. Beauchamp, age 23, prospect
  11. Jackson Jr., age 22, propsect
Is the supporting cast here enough for Giannis and Lillard? Or do they need more from Lopez and Middleton than they have left to give? Middleton in particular was such a turnstile against the Celtics that I didn't think they tried hard enough to exploit that matchup.

Comparing them to the Celtics, Giannis is obviously the best player on either team. Tatum is obviously #2. I think Lillard is pretty obviously #3, although I guess arguments could be made for Porzingis or Brown. After that, though... there is no one on the Bucks #3 to #11 group you would take over any of the Celtics' top 6. If you pool the 2 rosters, the Bucks have 2 of the top 3 but the Celtics have 6 of the top 8 (unless you's take Lopez over Horford, I guess).
 

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Is it completely obvious that Giannis is the best player on either team, particularly in this matchup, where the Celtics have had a lot of success holding his TS% down?
 

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If Joe doesn't keep the 2nd unit with Jaylen/KP/White together after he yanks Tatum in the 1st, I will lose my fucking shit. That threesome is so fucking good together, and it should be obvious to a middle school basketball coach, never mind an NBA head coach.
Read this as I was getting ready to type the Jaylen/KP/White combo has to be the most lethal combo in the league when a top 5-10 player is resting. JB looked great all game last night. Passing, defense, scoring, all of it. I expect continuous improvement over the rest of the season as Pippen, I mean Jaylen’s continuity with his newer teammates improves further.
 

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Are the Bucks a paper tiger? It seems weird to even think that about a team that has a top 2 or 3 player in Giannis, a top scoring PG in the league in Lillard, and that just came a basket away from forcing OT and maye beating the Celtics.

But here are their top 11 players in minutes:
  1. Giannis: age 29, MVP at the peak of his powers
  2. Lillard, age 33, still great but nearing the end of or past his prime
  3. Lopez, age 35: can he still do everything the team needs from him?
  4. Beasley, age 27: role player
  5. Connaughton, age 31: role player, past his prime?
  6. Portis, age 28, role player
  7. Payne, age 29, role player
  8. Middleton, age 32, is he working his way back from injuries or is he no longer the player the Bucks need him to be?
  9. Crowder, age 33, role player
  10. Beauchamp, age 23, prospect
  11. Jackson Jr., age 22, propsect
Is the supporting cast here enough for Giannis and Lillard? Or do they need more from Lopez and Middleton than they have left to give? Middleton in particular was such a turnstile against the Celtics that I didn't think they tried hard enough to exploit that matchup.

Comparing them to the Celtics, Giannis is obviously the best player on either team. Tatum is obviously #2. I think Lillard is pretty obviously #3, although I guess arguments could be made for Porzingis or Brown. After that, though... there is no one on the Bucks #3 to #11 group you would take over any of the Celtics' top 6. If you pool the 2 rosters, the Bucks have 2 of the top 3 but the Celtics have 6 of the top 8 (unless you's take Lopez over Horford, I guess).
I don't think 1/2 is obvious at all anymore (or 3 either) but I agree that this Bucks roster is nothing like the one they had from their Championship year with downgrades everywhere and enormous defensive holes on the perimeter. They are still a pretty good team but way way overrated imo.
 

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I don't think 1/2 is obvious at all anymore (or 3 either) but I agree that this Bucks roster is nothing like the one they had from their Championship year with downgrades everywhere and enormous defensive holes on the perimeter. They are still a pretty good team but way way overrated imo.
Said it in the GT but I think Middleton turning into burnt toast really kills them. They would be truly scary with 2019 Middleton but they have no good third option with 2023 washed Middleton.
 

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I had to remind myself that (1) Middleton was on the floor and (2) he used to be a certified Celtics killer. Crazy how diminished he is. Knee injuries are no joke.
 

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Said it in the GT but I think Middleton turning into burnt toast really kills them. They would be truly scary with 2019 Middleton but they have no good third option with 2023 washed Middleton.
He's killing them on both ends. In a playoff series, the Cs would hunt him relentlessly with Brown/Tatum. He was totally unable to stay in front of either. On offense, he just can't get the separation he used to in his midrange game.
 

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Hauser is in the process of taking one of the larger leaps in the entire league this year. He's doing much better than ok defensively and not to compare those "similarities" but his game has developed similar to Strus of a couple years ago on both ends of the floor.

Defensively, they are both excellent positional defenders who are below avg in transition or against numbers situations in motion due to not having great athleticism. I don't know their exact numbers but Strus appears to have the better wingspan which helps him a ton and why I have had him as an overall plus defender for a few years now. Hauser is getting right up there though.
I thought Hauser's wingspan was worse too, but it's actually:
Hauser: 6-7 with 6'9 wingspan
Strus: 6-5 with 6'7 wingspan

Sky's the limit....
 

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I will defer to others, but it seems to me as if Lopez on the one hand still looks reasonably good, but somehow doesn’t fit as well as he used to. Sort of seems in the way at times. Maybe I’m off.
 

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According to NBA.com (maybe tgis link: Milwaukee Bucks vs Boston Celtics Nov 22, 2023 Box Scores | NBA.com ?), DL was 2-4 against Hauser. One of those included an attempt where Holiday was the main defender and Hauser came over to help (which makes me wonder how these stats are generated but that's another discussion) so at the end of the day, as far as I can tell, Dame had a step-back 3P over Sam, a driving layup over Sam, and a key miss down the stretch where Dame thought he got fouled (and the peeps over at Sons of Bobby Dandridge are saying shows how biased the refs were against MIL).

So really 2-3. Not terrible but given the 4Q, not different from other Cs players except for Holiday.

If MIL and BOS meet in the playoffs, the real chess match will be to see how BOS keeps Jrue on Dame and what MIL does to get to any other matchup.
Ha, did you watch the 3rd Quarter? I know you miss some games time to time, but relying on stats from NBA.com is a really awful way to access defensive performance.

Go back and watch the last 5 minutes again. Dame didn't go 2/3 against Sam.

There weren't any sidestep 3s over Hauser in Q3. That happened in Q1 when Sam got switched on to Dame. Hauser was in good defensive position, and Dame took a long 23' sidestep-back 3. He's been known to hit those. Hauser also blocked a Dame shot at the rim in Q1.

Here is what happened in Q3 after reviewing the videotape (and Sam's defense was better than I thought)

Sam enters at 5:15 of Q3
1. Sam immediately gets switched on to Dame, and swipes/partially blocks Dame's 10'. Miss. Lillard whines.
2. meanwhile, Sam hustles down the floor and picks up a foul on the offensive side of the floor. Foul call overturned
3. 4:50 Sam is guarding Dame at the top. Dame attacks and fires a ball out of bounds that Horford deflects
4. 4:44 Sam is guarding Dame on the inbounds and picks him up in action. Dame gets the ball. Dame attacks the lane and kicks out
5. 4:12 Sam picks up Dame in the halfcourt. Dame goes at Sam, lane cutoff. Dame passes out the perimeter.
6. 3:50 Sam picks up Dame in the halfcourt. The Bucks set a pick to get SAM off Dame. Dame attacks White and Horford and scores a layup.

Maybe that was the "driving layup" over Sam"?

7. 3:16 Sam picks up Dame on the break. Marjon fires a 3. Hauser helps on the boards, tips out to PP, stops a Portis put back
8. 2:55 Giannis brings the ball up. Sam holds his own guarding Portis down low twice. Bobby passes the ball out both times.
9. 1:56 Sam guards Dame. Giannis takes the ball up. Passes to Portis. Sam helps off Dame and Portis misses
10. 1:36 Payton Pritchard gets trapped at the halfcourt. TO. Dame steals. Dunk

Maybe that was the "driving layup" over Sam since Hauser hustled back?

11. 1:09 Dame brings the ball up. White picks up. Gets picked. Brown cuts off Dame at the rim.
12. :48 Fast break. Hauser Alley oop jam. Garden erupts
13. :31 Dame brings the ball up. White picks up. Dame heaves up a bad 3. brick.

Hauser done for the night after Q3, he never played down the stretch, so I'm not sure where the case is for The Sons of Jack Sikma?

Muzzella curveballs are even throwing NBA.com statisticians out of whack
 
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I will defer to others, but it seems to me as if Lopez on the one hand still looks reasonably good, but somehow doesn’t fit as well as he used to. Sort of seems in the way at times. Maybe I’m off.
It's called the Jrue effect. I never loved the Dame for Jrue+ trade before he made his way to the C's.

He did so much on the defensive end that made the Bucks better and allowed Lopex to be his best self.
 

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It’s weird that Giannis shoots for such a high percentage on 2s but seems to miss a ton of layups.
 

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It’s weird that Giannis shoots for such a high percentage on 2s but seems to miss a ton of layups.
Having a 7'3" KP playing drop at the hoop is going to mess with Giannis halfcourt rim runs with Jrue getting low on him.

White/Jrue swiping hands on his dribble-fests will give him a migraine.
 

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I do think KP unlocks a lot of stuff for the JAYs. Brown with 8 assists & 1 TO last night was big time development.
(I want my credit for saying something nice about Jaylen Brown)
Welcome to the club, brother.

I had to remind myself that (1) Middleton was on the floor and (2) he used to be a certified Celtics killer. Crazy how diminished he is. Knee injuries are no joke.
Yeah. We knew that Middleton has had his injuries, but he looked like the chair last night. Still has offensive skills, but he's barely taking up space on D.
 

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Just a reminder that if you only watch the Celtics, you are missing a lot of NBA scoring volatility. This is from Bard (and discount accordingly given the post above where some of the details Bard generated about Jaylen were pretty inaccurate) but I eyeballed it and it looks correct.

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Just a reminder that if you only watch the Celtics, you are missing a lot of NBA scoring volatility. This is from Bard (and discount accordingly given the post above where some of the details Bard generated about Jaylen were pretty inaccurate) but I eyeballed it and it looks correct.

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I'd be interested in the temporal distribution of the lead changes.
 

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I'd be interested in the temporal distribution of the lead changes.
You're a math nerd. I am someone who has been empowered by people like you and technology to hack my way through data. All of which to say, you are far more equipped than me to find the info though I too would love to see your results. I bet Bard/Chat GPT can pull out whatever data you need.

As with everything AI these days, don't trust and absolutely verify!
 

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Please write a 500 word article on how Jaylen Brown's 2023-24 production is hurting the Boston Celtics

  • Jaylen Brown's Struggles Hinder Celtics' Championship Aspirations
The Boston Celtics entered the 2023-24 season with high expectations, fresh off their NBA Finals appearance the previous year. However, the team has struggled to find consistency, and one of the primary culprits has been Jaylen Brown, the team's All-Star forward.
Brown, who signed a lucrative supermax contract extension in the offseason, has been plagued by inconsistent play and a lack of efficiency. His shooting percentages have dipped across the board, and he has struggled to create his own shot. As a result, Brown has not been able to provide the Celtics with the consistent scoring punch they need to be a true contender.
Brown's struggles have been particularly evident in the team's losses. In their 10 losses this season, Brown is averaging just 15 points per game on 38% shooting from the field. In contrast, in their 15 wins, Brown is averaging 22 points per game on 48% shooting.
The Celtics' struggles have not gone unnoticed by head coach Ime Udoka. Udoka has been critical of Brown's play at times, and he has challenged the forward to be more consistent.
"Jaylen is a talented player, but he needs to be more consistent," Udoka said. "He needs to be able to make shots, create his own shot, and defend at a high level. He's capable of doing all of those things, but he just hasn't been doing it consistently enough."
Brown's struggles have also been noticed by his teammates. Jayson Tatum, Brown's All-Star running mate, has expressed concern about Brown's play.
"I know Jaylen is capable of playing at a high level," Tatum said. "He just needs to find a way to get back to playing the way he knows how. We need him to be a consistent scorer for us to be successful."
Brown's struggles have been a major factor in the Celtics' disappointing start to the season. If the team wants to make a championship run, they will need Brown to find his footing and start playing at the level he is capable of.
Here are some specific examples of how Jaylen Brown's production is hurting the Boston Celtics:
  • In the Celtics' loss to the Milwaukee Bucks on November 15, Brown scored just 12 points on 4-of-12 shooting from the field.
  • In the Celtics' loss to the Golden State Warriors on November 22, Brown scored just 14 points on 5-of-15 shooting from the field.
  • In the Celtics' loss to the Toronto Raptors on November 29, Brown scored just 16 points on 6-of-19 shooting from the field.
In addition to his shooting struggles, Brown has also been turnover-prone this season. He is averaging 2.5 turnovers per game, which is up from 1.8 turnovers per game last season.
The Celtics' championship aspirations hinge on Jaylen Brown's ability to return to form. If Brown can find a way to be more consistent and efficient, the Celtics will be a dangerous team in the Eastern Conference playoffs. However, if Brown continues to struggle, the Celtics' chances of winning a championship.
write me a 200 word article on why and how jaylen brown is the greatest celtic of all time.

Jaylen Brown, the dynamic shooting guard for the Boston Celtics, has etched his name in the franchise's storied history, making a compelling case for being the greatest Celtic of all time. Brown's rise to prominence is marked by a combination of skill, leadership, and a deep commitment to the team.

One of the key factors that set Brown apart is his exceptional two-way play. He is not only a prolific scorer but also a tenacious defender, embodying the Celtics' tradition of excellence on both ends of the court. His versatility allows him to impact the game in various facets, making him a true cornerstone for the team.

Furthermore, Brown's work ethic and commitment to continuous improvement are exemplary. From his rookie season to the present, he has demonstrated a relentless drive to enhance his skills, evolve his game, and elevate the Celtics to new heights. This dedication has earned him the respect and admiration of fans and teammates alike.

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In conclusion, Jaylen Brown's exceptional on-court performance, leadership qualities, and commitment to social causes make him a strong contender for the title of the greatest Celtic of all time. As he continues to shape the future of the franchise, his impact goes beyond the game of basketball, leaving an indelible mark on the Boston Celtics' legacy.
 

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Celtics play the Magic tomorrow, who are 10-5 so far, and have beat multiple good teams. Their defense is sick, and incredibly disciplined. My friend sent me this earlier today, I’d lose my fucking mind if I were a Hawks fan.

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Celtics play the Magic tomorrow, who are 10-5 so far, and have beat multiple good teams. Their defense is sick, and incredibly disciplined. My friend sent me this earlier today, I’d lose my fucking mind if I were a Hawks fan.

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Magic have a ton of interesting pieces.
Cole Anthony-Anthony Black-Markelle Fultz-Jalen Suggs
Jonathan Isaac-Paolo-Franz
Wendell Carter

It just seems like some of the pieces would fit much better on other teams
 

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The Magic have had a nice start but the Celtics are so much better. I see some promising young pieces that are too young to be real difference makers combined with mediocrity.

Weird start time on the road after a big national TV game so who knows how things will go, but Orlando is not particularly good.
 

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The Magic have had a nice start but the Celtics are so much better. I see some promising young pieces that are too young to be real difference makers combined with mediocrity.

Weird start time on the road after a big national TV game so who knows how things will go, but Orlando is not particularly good.
No? They probably won't win 55 games, but they've beaten a number of solid teams thus far (Denver, Milwaukee, Lakers, Pacers, Rockets) and they won 3/4 games against Boston last year. I'm not super optimistic playing @Orlando when they're playing well and we're coming off of a major win.
 

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IDK who this is but as I've commented before he's too harsh on the defense for someone who I assume doesn't know the exact tactics the coaches have implemented. He certainly is correct on most of what he says if (big if) he were coaching the defense. Like he knows and understands team defensive concepts and how they all gel together. The way he breaks down the film and gets huffy is the way I do it as a coach when my players aren't following what we worked on in meetings and practices before the game.

So, for example, at about the 3-min mark he gets all over Portis for not being in the gap below the 3-point line which is a legit criticism in the defense I run but sometimes we make exceptions depending on who is guarding whom. In this case, I'm wondering who is Portis guarding? I'm not sure as I only saw the 4th quarter and this video doesn't seem to show who Portis is on. But, I think it might be Tatum? Can it not be a thing that Griffin instructed Portis to play on the passing line (at least on one-pass away) against Tatum? Which makes some sense and maybe even more sense depending on the game situation and who was in the game for both teams.

In the end, I'm saying whoever the narrator is acts like this is stupid basketball always with no regard to context. Now, maybe he is correct a lot but it would be more fruitful for us as viewers if he provided context or explained his thinking behind his exasperated proclamations in more detail. I'd love to watch that video.
 
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One more point about this guy's breakdowns it seems to me (I've only seen a handful) he is shaking his head at the players like you are so dumb Portis but maybe he's criticizing the coaching. IDK. He hasn't made it clear in what I've seen.
 

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No? They probably won't win 55 games, but they've beaten a number of solid teams thus far (Denver, Milwaukee, Lakers, Pacers, Rockets) and they won 3/4 games against Boston last year. I'm not super optimistic playing @Orlando when they're playing well and we're coming off of a major win.
I don't pretend to know what will happen tomorrow on the road at 11:30 am after a big home win for the Celtics.... but no I do not think the Magic are particularly good or a legit contender in the East this season.

They have a few promising young players and a bunch of meh. They seem like a play-in/one and done type team to me, despite the strong start.