We can still dream on Walsh and QuetaCsBlog update on Begarin and Madar: https://www.celticsblog.com/2023/12/4/23986849/checking-in-on-juhann-begarin-and-yam-madar.
Summary: not close to NBA. Oh well.
We can still dream on Walsh and QuetaCsBlog update on Begarin and Madar: https://www.celticsblog.com/2023/12/4/23986849/checking-in-on-juhann-begarin-and-yam-madar.
Summary: not close to NBA. Oh well.
"Calling fouls on contested drives to the basket - accurately and consistently - is incredibly hard. And it's a necessary, structural part of the game, so we will struggle with it for the rest of time."Lars, that sounds identical to an argument of "it's hard so let's not even try". And in this case it's not even hard.
I think they should actually try to call Ts on flopping, as well. They clearly don't. But they also don't have to solve every problem with officiating an NBA game first before trying to tackle something that's interfering with how enjoyable it is to watch a game.
"We’re going to pretend that they’ll be able to spot when a player is being whiny enough or when it’s being directed at them vs a player being frustrated at themselves?"
Yeah, I think we can all recognize the difference between when a player claps his hands together hard and looks down, being frustrated with themselves, and when they give the universal "what the hell?" gesture and look at the nearest ref. There are 10-20 times per game when it happens blatantly, and there's no question whether it's directed at the ref or not. We can cut some slack on the edge cases, as long as it's made well known that for anything clear-cut, it'll be a call at the next stoppage.
Maybe players will develop some under-their-breath way to complain without making eye contact or big gestures or lingering around the backcourt to act shocked and surprised. They'll game the system so they can still complain without being visually obvious about complaining. If so, great. Victory.
Many times it isn't about the ref making the "right or wrong" call since most are subjective....it is about what happened on the other end or try to buy equity in future calls. It isn't always "you made the wrong call" as much as they are stating their case for future calls. I spoke of this the other day....the refs are conversing with them too so it isn't always arguing the call as some think it is. It's all a part of the game, has been for many decades, as part of gaining an edge just as trash talking is.The biggest issue for me is that in at least a majority of cases, the complaining player is wrong. (He did commit a foul / was not fouled).
This assumes the calls change while player behavior is unchanged. That's not what would happen. Players would adjust quickly.This would be a nightmare for game flow.. a parade of free throws at every stoppage of play.. many times at the other end of the court?
Less complaining means the refs can focus on doing their job instead of managing players and coaches who are unhappy. There's a reason they yell at the refs - it effects outcomes.I don't have the same problem as you do with the whining.. I want more consistent calls for the same contact across the NBA.
No. I want them to respect the officials instead of trying to play them or influence them.You're asking these 20 year old athletes to be automatons while playing a physical, fast-paced game that is quite often stressful.
Yup. Has zero to do with one team hitting contested 3s at a 48% clip.The harder working team won. The team that mailed in a whole quarter lost. Go figure.
Wow what a hot take! You don't think the difference in this game was 3-pt shooting? I didn't see anyone on the floor in that playoff atmosphere nailing anything in.The harder working team won. The team that mailed in a whole quarter lost. Go figure.
Turnovers being 15 to 4 when they showed it late in the 3rd didn't help either. Some of that you could probably say was effort-related. Or focus-related. Or something. Turnovers finished 18 to 6. Yeah, we got a lot of offensive rebounds, but still.When you shoot sub 30 percent from 3 and the other shoots over 40 you lose every single time.
They also shot 8-12 from the line, which is doubly bad. Indy hit 17 of 21. Basically the whole difference in the game.Turnovers being 15 to 4 when they showed it late in the 3rd didn't help either. Some of that you could probably say was effort-related. Or focus-related. Or something. Turnovers finished 18 to 6. Yeah, we got a lot of offensive rebounds, but still.
There was a 21 point difference in 3s that we keep ignoring. Felt more like we got beat than didn’t have effort or your usual favorite “mental toughness”. Celts basically held Indy to 9 points through 6-7 min in the 4th before Halliburton threw up two prayers.They also shot 8-12 from the line, which is doubly bad. Indy hit 17 of 21. Basically the whole difference in the game.
that's how it looked to me. Cs defense (with Brown looking great--at least one steal, another close one) really clamped down for most of the 4th quarter. Halliburton hit at least one 3 (was it 2?) with shot clock expiring and another that he was fouled on that seemed like a hail mary. Hield hit a tough driving layup that seemed unusual for him and Nesmith hit multiple tough shots in the 4th quarter. A lot went right for the Pacers, including but not limited to in the last few minutes after the Celtics had pulled even.There was a 21 point difference in 3s that we keep ignoring. Felt more like we got beat than didn’t have effort or your usual favorite “mental toughness”. Celts basically held Indy to 9 points through 6-7 min in the 4th before Halliburton threw up two prayers.
A disappointing game to be sure, but on the bright side...Wow what a hot take! You don't think the difference in this game was 3-pt shooting? I didn't see anyone on the floor in that playoff atmosphere nailing anything in.
You have to work pretty damn hard to be in a game when you're opponent shoots 48% from 3Wow what a hot take! You don't think the difference in this game was 3-pt shooting? I didn't see anyone on the floor in that playoff atmosphere nailing anything in.
If Hauser plays more it can be a great strategy...expect Sam's minutes to continue to climbI guess the bigger question is are the Celtics a good enough three point shooting team to be a top 3 team in 3PA? No team that averaged > 40 3PA during the regular season has ever won a championship. The Warriors won in 2022 averaging 39 3PA in the regular season but they're the Warriors. I know the league is evolving to more and more threes, but is 36% on 43 3PA a game good enough? I don't know how much I love the Joe Mazzulla fire up threes at all costs offense. It leaves them so susceptible to shooting variance.
Just hope that doesn’t expose him.If Hauser plays more it can be a great strategy...expect Sam's minutes to continue to climb
probably to a higher paydayJust hope that doesn’t expose him.
Hauser is already getting that payday. We are going to have to pay him well beyond Grant Williams-money to keep him a Celtic. We haven't seen a home grown Celtics player come from where he was to where he is now since......?probably to a higher payday
it's not like he is just launching wide-open 3s, he probably has the quickest release on the team
He hit two off balance threes and I thought Hield also hit another three... they basically didn't miss down the stretch.that's how it looked to me. Cs defense (with Brown looking great--at least one steal, another close one) really clamped down for most of the 4th quarter. Halliburton hit at least one 3 (was it 2?) with shot clock expiring and another that he was fouled on that seemed like a hail mary. Hield hit a tough driving layup that seemed unusual for him and Nesmith hit multiple tough shots in the 4th quarter. A lot went right for the Pacers, including but not limited to in the last few minutes after the Celtics had pulled even.
He played 25-30 mpg right out of the gate as a 25 yr old rookie iirc.Dino Radja?
Daniel Theis. He never got the money that Grant or Bradley (adjusted for era) got, and probably won't get what Hauser earns either, but he went from undrafted to playing a real role for 3 teams that went to the conference finals, including the 22 finals trip (and started 64 games for the 2020 team).an udn
Hauser is already getting that payday. We are going to have to pay him well beyond Grant Williams-money to keep him a Celtic. We haven't seen a home grown Celtics player come from where he was to where he is now since......?
Edit: Avery Bradley? I can't think of anyone else in the last 20+ years. Crazy as it sounds the only other player who was a young non-rotation home grown player who worked his way into a starter/rotation guy was the man this forum is named after. Yikes.
Maybe he should change his name to Sami Hauservich, and hop on the NBA Eurorail.Hauser is already getting that payday. We are going to have to pay him well beyond Grant Williams-money to keep him a Celtic. We haven't seen a home grown Celtics player come from where he was to where he is now since......?
Edit: Avery Bradley? I can't think of anyone else in the last 20+ years. Crazy as it sounds the only other player who was a young non-rotation home grown player who worked his way into a starter/rotation guy was the man this forum is named after. Yikes.
Doubtful. I think Hauser and his agent know that if he makes it to free agency in 2025 he can maybe/probably get a 3 year full MLE from someone - but doubtful that someone spends their cap space on him. Thats like 42 million depending on the cap. Add his 2 million next year and he is looking at 44 million over 4 years . I bet they sign an extension for even less than that to lock him into life changing money.Hauser is already getting that payday. We are going to have to pay him well beyond Grant Williams-money to keep him a Celtic.
Grande and Max alluded to the two week homestand at the start of the game and it immediately occurred to me that if the Cs fell behind in this game that they would have some serious incentives to let go of the rope. Not saying they did this but a two week respite from airplanes and hotel rooms has to be a welcome salve.Silver lining: as fun as it would've been to cheer on the Celtics to win this damn thing, at least our guys will now be sleeping in their own beds, not flying an extra round trip to Vegas and probably partying all weekend.
Thank you.Wow what a hot take! You don't think the difference in this game was 3-pt shooting? I didn't see anyone on the floor in that playoff atmosphere nailing anything in.
Carlisle's adjustment was roughly the same as Mr. Burns' in the Simpsons baseball episode: "you, Strawberry, hit a home run!"Celtics again stink in the third quarter, continuing to be the lowest scoring 3rd quarter team in the league - which is pretty remarkable for a team of their talent. Clearly the adjustments being made at halftime by opposing coaches are working; Mazzulla’s adjustments not so much.
The basically come out flat after every halftime. It’s not a one game problem..Carlisle's adjustment was roughly the same as Mr. Burns' in the Simpsons baseball episode: "you, Strawberry, hit a home run!"
Mazzulla forgot to tell his players this, and so the Celtics lost.
Or maybe it's both.We’re all focused on shooting when I think the more relevant stat is 17 to 6.
Turnovers.
Forget the shooting. It’s the turnovers. Tough to win when you only force 6 turnovers.
And they are loose with the ball.The basically come out flat after every halftime. It’s not a one game problem..
If Tatum could be above 80% from behind the arc, I think this team would be unstoppable.Jayson Tatum is getting to the line about 25% less than he did last year, and, for the first time in his career, shooting under 80% from behind the arc. Last night the team as a whole did not get to the line much and missed one thrid of their FTA.
Amy thoughts on why Tatum's FT shooting has gotten worse?Jayson Tatum is getting to the line about 25% less than he did last year, and, for the first time in his , shooting under 80% from behind the arc. Last night the team as a whole did not get to the line much and missed one thrid of their FTA.
Are they not great? They have the 2nd best record in the league and the best net rating. Despite some major changes to the top 6 rotation and one of the tougher schedules in the league. They are far from perfect, and I think anyone assuming they'd come out looking like the 15/16 Warriors set their expectations too high IMO.Amy thoughts on why Tatum's FT shooting has gotten worse?
I'll reiterate what's said above that turnovers are a big problem this year. I remember when Rondo ran point it'd be atrocious when the team would have 12 turnovers in a game. I know pace of play is different, but it shouldn't be too much to ask to keep turnovers at 6 per half. The team construction was supposed to help with that, too. Get rid of Smart and minimize the ball in Brown's hands.
Also, I think Tatum should iso on the block more. His shot from there is good and he can shoot over nearly anyone. Why can't he pull out a little Dirk or Jordan and end runs?
Expectations are so high. They can't be very good they have to be great. But, it's still only December and Zinger is out.
It was the 3Q turnovers that created the separation. Prior to that it was back and forth.The basically come out flat after every halftime. It’s not a one game problem..
Haliburton pounded the ball and made a shot, Tatum pounded the ball and missed. Biggest difference is Haliburton is better at making those shots than Tatum.Tatum pounding the ball and taking the obvious three after Halliburton's four point play was another. At this point, it just is who they are and they aren't going to get coached out of it or change on their own. Come playoff time they're going to revert to the same old habits and make winning close games much harder than they need to.
It's actually their best defensive quarter relative to the league (they give up 2nd fewest points in NBA in 3Q at 26.0...they give up slightly fewer in 1Q at 25.3 but that has them ranked 3rd). Are they making good defensive adjustments but not the right offensive ones? Is it possible that given they have the best halftime margin in the league they are slowing down pace of offense in 2nd half? Grasping at straws a bit obviously, but if they were truly flat I feel like they'd also be giving up more points in the 3rd than they are, so trying to figure it out...The basically come out flat after every halftime. It’s not a one game problem..
This is also my fear, and it seems like when the Celtics are in a head-to-head battle with another team shooting 3's they get worse looks (since those opponents' 3 point shooters also tend to defend the perimeter well). However, I do think Mazzulla is trying to find that other option to counter this - you can see it with him tinkering with the big man lineups since Al seems to be limited these days and Kornet is up and down. KP obviously helps this but the Celtics just haven't been able to execute in games like last night's. Another option people have mentioned is using Tatum in ISO in the post and that has worked sporadically but not when Tatum is off (like last night). I thought they did a good job of exploiting Myles Turner's perimeter defense but that was just in short stretches.I guess the bigger question is are the Celtics a good enough three point shooting team to be a top 3 team in 3PA? No team that averaged > 40 3PA during the regular season has ever won a championship. The Warriors won in 2022 averaging 39 3PA in the regular season but they're the Warriors. I know the league is evolving to more and more threes, but is 36% on 43 3PA a game good enough? I don't know how much I love the Joe Mazzulla fire up threes at all costs offense. It leaves them so susceptible to shooting variance.
Why doesn’t (insert NFL team) always play like they are behind and the opposing defense is giving them 15 yards in the middle of the field when down 14 points in the 4th?The few times the Celtics have been down three or four possessions at the end of the game and they press their offense and get within a bucket or two, why can’t they play offense with that kind of urgency more often?