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Rumours (HNIC) reported that William Nylander is about to sign an extension with the Maple Leafs.

11.5m/8 years is the rumoured number - he picked a great time to level up. He may have been the Leafs best player - including Mathews - this year. Basically his main comps are Pastrnak or Panarin. Its seems like a bit of an overpay but as a percentage of the projected cap it’s pretty reasonable.

As to what this means for a Marner extension who knows. He’s been a little below his lofty standards so far.
 

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Rumours (HNIC) reported that William Nylander is about to sign an extension with the Maple Leafs.

11.5m/8 years is the rumoured number - he picked a great time to level up. He may have been the Leafs best player - including Mathews - this year. Basically his main comps are Pastrnak or Panarin. Its seems like a bit of an overpay but as a percentage of the projected cap it’s pretty reasonable.

As to what this means for a Marner extension who knows. He’s been a little below his lofty standards so far.
It’s basically Pastrnak’s deal + $2 million inflation, which is probably where he should be slotted at.
 

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It does seem a bit bizarre. I’m sure there’s a story behind it that we may or may not ever know.
 

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Hayes denied this.

Just a strange situation all around. The Flyers had everyone in the organization out in front of a microphone last night. They all repeated some variation of Gauthier didn't want to be here so he's gone with various levels of vitriol. Torts said he didn't know Cutter from a hole in the wall. Keith Jones said if you don't want to be here, you won't be here. The Flyers drafted him in June of 2022 and then somethimg happened in the months that followed, seems like the Flyers knew Gauthier didn't want to be there for quite a while. Apparently Briere and Jones flew to Sweden for to try and meet with Gauthier and present their vision and plan for him but Gauthier wouldn't even take the meeting.

We only have one side of this so who knows. It's not uncommon for prospects to want to go somewhere else, particularly NCAA kids who have some leverage. But not even sitting down with the team that drafted him a year and a half ago? That seems extreme.
 

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Hayes denied this.

Just a strange situation all around. The Flyers had everyone in the organization out in front of a microphone last night. They all repeated some variation of Gauthier didn't want to be here so he's gone with various levels of vitriol. Torts said he didn't know Cutter from a hole in the wall. Keith Jones said if you don't want to be here, you won't be here. The Flyers drafted him in June of 2022 and then somethimg happened in the months that followed, seems like the Flyers knew Gauthier didn't want to be there for quite a while. Apparently Briere and Jones flew to Sweden for to try and meet with Gauthier and present their vision and plan for him but Gauthier wouldn't even take the meeting.

We only have one side of this so who knows. It's not uncommon for prospects to want to go somewhere else, particularly NCAA kids who have some leverage. But not even sitting down with the team that drafted him a year and a half ago? That seems extreme.
Yeah, I don't know how true it is. But it was the most predictable rumor that would start given his falling out with Torts. Maybe Gauthier is the only Chuck Fletcher fan on earth?

It's weird because it's not like the Flyers are an organization with a lot working against them. They spend money, are a big market where a player can keep a low profile and are known to treat their players well after they retire.

Briere went into some detail about this during intermission of last night's game. Basically spelled out the timeline of the Flyers thought process. He took the high road and acknowledged that its common for players to have second thoughts. He also said he wanted to protect Gauthier in case he changed his mind. Once Gautier and his agent stonewalled him, they decided it was time to move on.

He praised the other GMs for keeping it quiet and not tanking his trade value, as did Jones.
 

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Yeah, Torts is enough of a lightning rod that it wouldn't suprise me if Gauthier got spooked after meeting with Torts and some players. Gauthier might've connected with Hayes through BC so it's not too far fetched to think conversations happened between the two. My guess is if Torts is the reason, Gauthier talked to more than one player and it's not just Hayes behind it.

But yeah, it's strange for this to happen in a market like Philly and especially for Gauthier to not even take a meeting.

I think Briere did well considering the circumstances. Drysdale is a high-end prospect who got rushed to the NHL. Struggled with the adjustment and got hurt but a potential top pair RHD if they develop him correctly, plus what looks to be a top 5 2nd round pick. Anaheim is loaded with forward talent, they'll be scary if they hit. The probably felt Mintyukov's emergence made Drysdale expendable. But McTavish, Zegras, Gauthier, Leo Carlsson. If they hit they could be ridiculous.
 

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At the very least it seems like the communication on Philly's part sucked if the player interpreted them not wanting to sign him in March as them not wanting him at all. Briere took over as interim GM on 3/10 so presumably he was leading the effort at the time.
 

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Some insight from Friedman. Sounds like Gauthier wan't to turn pro after last year but Philly wanted to wait because they didn't want to have a bonus overage on the cap sheet. Wasn't intended as an insult but things went downhill from there.

View: https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1744792106650980367?s=20
If that's the case, I'm wondering if this all happened before or after Briere dumped Hayes/Provorov/DeAngelo to create cap space. Briere had the interim tag removed on May 11, the day Jones was hired.

I think there is a lot more that will come out about this. And the fans who said all that awful shit to Hayes need to be outed.
 

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If that's the case, I'm wondering if this all happened before or after Briere dumped Hayes/Provorov/DeAngelo to create cap space. Briere had the interim tag removed on May 11, the day Jones was hired.

I think there is a lot more that will come out about this. And the fans who said all that awful shit to Hayes need to be outed.
This was at the end of last season, March mot likely, whenever BC's season ended. Fletcher had been fired, Briere was interim and Keith Jones was on TV. That's when NHL teams typically sign their NCAA prospects. It sounds like Gauthier was ready to sign. A prospect like Gauthier typically gets the maximum bonus money in their ELC. The Flyers wanted to wait because they were afraid of his bonus' carrying over to the 2023-2024 season (they are currently carrying a $1.175 million bonus overage from last year). Also, I believe due to age Gauthier was ineligible for the ELC slide so if he played 10 games the Flyers lose a year off the ELC, which is valuable if he is as good as projected. Might've also factored into their thinking.
 

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This was at the end of last season, March mot likely, whenever BC's season ended. Fletcher had been fired, Briere was interim and Keith Jones was on TV. That's when NHL teams typically sign their NCAA prospects. It sounds like Gauthier was ready to sign. A prospect like Gauthier typically gets the maximum bonus money in their ELC. The Flyers wanted to wait because they were afraid of his bonus' carrying over to the 2023-2024 season (they are currently carrying a $1.175 million bonus overage from last year). Also, I believe due to age Gauthier was ineligible for the ELC slide so if he played 10 games the Flyers lose a year off the ELC, which is valuable if he is as good as projected. Might've also factored into their thinking.
Got it. Makes sense. Thank you for clearing that up.

Gauthier's camp probably heard this and thought: "How is any of that our problem?"
 

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Got it. Makes sense. Thank you for clearing that up.

Gauthier's camp probably heard this and thought: "How is any of that our problem?"
If we're slicing up the blame pie it's probably 50/50 between the two sides. The Flyers probably could've communicated their intentions better and Gauthier needed to be flexible. The Flyers should've explained the cap complications, their plan and vision for him in the short and long term, and offered an ATO to get his feet wet in the AHL without impacting the NHL cap or his service time. BC's season ended 3/11 (day after Fletcher got fired) and the Flyers had 16 games left in a lost season so seems Gauthier could've shown a bit more patience.
 

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If we're slicing up the blame pie it's probably 50/50 between the two sides. The Flyers probably could've communicated their intentions better and Gauthier needed to be flexible. The Flyers should've explained the cap complications, their plan and vision for him in the short and long term, and offered an ATO to get his feet wet in the AHL without impacting the NHL cap or his service time. BC's season ended 3/11 (day after Fletcher got fired) and the Flyers had 16 games left in a lost season so seems Gauthier could've shown a bit more patience.
Agreed. I'm a Flyers fan but I'm trying to understand where Gauthier is coming from, as well. Unfortunately, like Elliotte said, unless his side tells their story we just have to speculate (which has led to some ugly shit). This whole thing just sucks.

I'm bullish on Drysdale, as young defenseman often take a while to develop but Gauthier was supposed to be a major part of the team going forward and a sure thing compared to 2 recent high-risk bets with high picks (Patrick & Michkov).
 

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One possibility is that Gauthier wanted to sign right after his college season and play immediately, presumably so that he could chop out an ELC year. But for a club going nowhere, that would have been an awful decision as it would have wasted a cost-controlled year. Regardless, we know they couldn’t fit him anyway last March because they said as much vis-à-vis the bonus money. It’s no secret that Fletcher had them with almost no cap space, which is crazy on a totally different level for a team that ended up 7th worst overall, but I digress. We don’t know if it was Fletcher or Briere that was at the helm during the bonus (Briere was interim GM from March 10 until May 11), and while that may not have mattered to Gauthier, it could have just been the kind of situation that led to everything breaking down. Briere said he pushed to get him signed after the WCs in May 2023, but was told then Gauthier wouldn’t sign with the Flyers. I don’t recall where I read it, but some journalist I can’t recall (pardon what that sounds like) claimed Briere tried to move him at the draft, mentioning that he was offered to Montreal for #5 but the Habs opted for Reinbacher.

Other explanations notwithstanding, I’m assuming he wanted to burn the ELC year by signing in March 2023 and being guaranteed he’d play at least 10 NHL games. If that’s true, and to be clear I do not, then I don’t know that I’m all that sympathetic to his plight. Plus, I’m not sure a player would really be making out in that scenario. Sure, they could sign their next next contract earlier, but they’re likely to earn even more signing that next contract when they’re 23 rather than 22 simply because they would likely have an even better year of production with the former rather than the latter. Again, I’m speculating, even though March 2022 seems like it’s when it went bad.
 

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He seems like a great guy so I'm happy for him. Happier that it's not the Bs who signed him to that deal, though.
 

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I would happily break my hand for $1.5 million alone let alone in addition to. Probably both but maybe not at the same time. I have a little bit of pride left still.
 

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I would happily break my hand for $1.5 million alone let alone in addition to. Probably both but maybe not at the same time. I have a little bit of pride left still.
I broke my hand playing hockey for free 2 winters ago. Would happily do it again for 7 figures.
 

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Cool, grew up rooting against Pat Ooh-Ahh but have been going to UBS with my son to watch the Isles. Will be fun to tell him about this guy
You should go to the game dressed up as Mario Tremblay.

I get that Lane Lambert wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire, but I can't imagine Roy is some kind of magic elixir when their defense/goalie corps looks like a MASH unit. Plus, it's been a while, but didn't he basically run himself out of the last coaching job he had?
 

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He was the same loon behind the bench as he was in net. I remember he had a thing with Boudreau where he put his goons on the ice with like 5 seconds left in a blowout to start some shit.

IIRC, Roy left the Avs because they gave full control of the roster to Sakic. They split it early on but eventually Sakic got full control and Roy resigned. The team regressed over Roy's tenure. 112 points, 92 points, 82 points. he was seen as a anti-analytics, pack it in defense first coach. After the 112 point season that the analytics people said was smoke and mirrors he laughed while the team promptly regressed. No clue if he's changed his coaching style or philosophy. He's been coaching in the QMJHL the past 5 years culminating with a Memorial Cup win last year.

It feels to me like the Islanders keep trying to hire Barry Trotz. After Trotz left they went with Lambert, a longtime Trotz assisant. Now to Roy who, I think, best case scenario, coaches like Barry Trotz.
 

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You should go to the game dressed up as Mario Tremblay.

I get that Lane Lambert wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire, but I can't imagine Roy is some kind of magic elixir when their defense/goalie corps looks like a MASH unit. Plus, it's been a while, but didn't he basically run himself out of the last coaching job he had?
Islanders fans really wanted Lane gone. The defense has been banged up, Sorokin has been fine. The team has so many OT games that they could be a lot better or worse points wise if some of those were decided in regulation. I am the most casual of fans as I grew up a pretty hard core Bruins fan but have been a mostly playoffs guy since 97 (watching that OT loss to the Caps in game 6 in a game they dominated sitting in a dorm in Tallahassee was tough, I think it was a Sunday, idk).

UBS is close and a very fair deal on tickets and it is a nice arena.

I really hated Patrick Roy on the Canadiens. Was it against them in the playoffs when Moog intentionally dislodged the net to get a whistle? One of my all time favorite plays
 

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https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/39411673/rangers-rule-center-filip-chytil-rest-season

New York Rangers center Filip Chytil will miss the remainder of the season, the team announced Sunday.

Chytil, who has not played since Nov. 2, had previously been ruled out with what the Rangers described as an upper-body injury, with sources telling ESPN late last week that it was related to head injuries he had previously suffered.
Apparently, the November incident was Chytil's fourth documented concussion (he's 24). On Friday, Chytil fell during an optional skate and had to be helped off the ice. Sounds like his career is in jeopardy.
 
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