All A-Rod talk here

CarolinaBeerGuy

Don't know him from Adam
SoSH Member
Mar 14, 2006
9,923
Kernersville, NC
soxfan121 said:
 
Right. Without steroids, Arod was going to be a major leaguer. There are approximately 11 million examples of guys without the talent to be big league players taking steroids and still being bad at baseball. There are fewer examples of people being marginally good at baseball becoming better - but not all-time great - with the aid of steroids. Arod started on third base with athletic/baseball talent and then added on with the PEDs. 
 
I hope he hits 45 homers and the Yankees finish last. I hope he hits another 45 next season and again, the team finishes last. I hope the bonus payment thing becomes the messiest tabloid circus ever, I hope the stress of it has Hal Steinbrenner throw his hands up in frustration, say fuck it, and sell the team to Dolan (the Knicks owner). Then, I hope Derek Jeter takes the front office reins and becomes the new Isiah Thomas, being so thoroughly awful that his post-career terriblness erases all memory of how good he was as a player...and then I hope Arod gets elected to the HOF because he damn sure was one of the best players I ever saw, juice or no juice. 
I was with you until the ellipsis in the final sentence.
 

cromulence

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 25, 2009
6,808
Their feed is run by MLBAM and not a team employee, so it would be MLB behind this and not the Yankees. But of course, let's start up a controversy!
 

cwright

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
2,454
Amherst, MA
cromulence said:
Their feed is run by MLBAM and not a team employee, so it would be MLB behind this and not the Yankees. But of course, let's start up a controversy!
 
Yeah, it says that in the article.  It also says the twitter feed hasn't mentioned ARod all spring except in lineup tweets.  So clearly the person running the feed isn't a big fan of ARod.  DIdn't mean to imply it was Yankees ownership doing this.
 

rembrat

Member
SoSH Member
May 26, 2006
36,345
Well, MLBAM is HQ'd in NYC and they also run the YES Network website so let's not pretend like there isn't a client/vendor relationship between the two entities. 
 
Conspiracy theories aside, it is really weird there was no mention of Rodriguez' home run. I saw it live and it was a damn nice swing.
 

jon abbey

Shanghai Warrior
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
71,218
He blasted a HR today, 3rd of the spring. Garrett Jones is doing nothing, A-Rod is making a strong bid for full-time DH. 
 

terrynever

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Aug 25, 2005
21,717
pawtucket
I forgot how talented the SOB is. He walked and singled today, made a backhand 3-1 play at first base. First game on the other side of infield. Played four innings. Third game in three days.
 

jon abbey

Shanghai Warrior
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
71,218
.967 OPS through the first week, he should pretty clearly be NY's #3 or #4 hitter right now. 
 

phrenile

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Aug 4, 2005
13,902
https://twitter.com/AndrewMarchand/status/587731653105180672
 

bellowthecat

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2010
600
Massachusetts
Lots of talk so far about who ARod looks much better than everyone expected.  He's handled 1B pretty well with almost no experience and his slash line of .250/.357/.458 (129 wRC+) looks pretty good. However, his peripherals don't exactly offer encouragement.  He's rocking a .417 BABIP, a 39.3% strike out rate, and a swinging strike rate of 15.7%.  Obviously it's April and he only has 28 PAs, but his these rates are certainly something to watch going forward.
 

rembrat

Member
SoSH Member
May 26, 2006
36,345
bellowthecat said:
He's handled 1B pretty
 
Says who? I haven't seen him in the field yet but O'Brien and Castiglione (Sox radio guys) said he looked awkward and jumpy around the bag.
 

jon abbey

Shanghai Warrior
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
71,218
He dropped one throw and caught most of the rest two-handed after that, he is a work in progress there at best. 
 

glennhoffmania

meat puppet
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 25, 2005
8,411,697
NY
Yeah he was adequate but definitely didn't seem very comfortable.  He'll probably be fine filling in once in a while but he's no Tino, Mattingly or Giambi.
 

jon abbey

Shanghai Warrior
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
71,218
A-Rod's first HR tonight was the longest in MLB so far this year (471 feet) and his second was the hardest hit of the year (115.3 MPH exit velocity).
 
His game-winning single in the 8th was just as impressive, a tough seven pitch AB against a pitcher he was 0-8 for before (Jepsen), ending with a cleanly lined hit to right-center to score the go-ahead run with two outs. 
 
He is 5th in the AL with a 1.214 OPS, just ahead of Miguel Cabrera. Safe to say no one expected this. 
 

AMS25

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 29, 2008
3,141
Holland on the Plains
jon abbey said:
A-Rod's first HR tonight was the longest in MLB so far this year (471 feet) and his second was the hardest hit of the year (115.3 MPH exit velocity).
 
His game-winning single in the 8th was just as impressive, a tough seven pitch AB against a pitcher he was 0-8 for before (Jepsen), ending with a cleanly lined hit to right-center to score the go-ahead run with two outs. 
 
He is 5th in the AL with a 1.214 OPS, just ahead of Miguel Cabrera. Safe to say no one expected this. 
 
I'm sort-of enjoying A-Rod's good start. As a Sox fan, I'm glad I don't have to root for him, but I'm sure he's making Hank and Hal uncomfortable. I hope they are forced to pay him some of his milestone bonuses if he has an awesome year.
 

Average Reds

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
35,432
Southwestern CT
I believe he's only a couple away from a $6 million bonus.

If press reports are to be believed, the Yankees will withhold the bonus and litigate the matter. So the ARod circus will provide endless entertainment no matter the success of the Yanks.
 

terrynever

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Aug 25, 2005
21,717
pawtucket
If he is this good without (we presume) PEDs, at age 39, why the hell did he think he needed them in the first place? It's not like Lance Armstrong, who rose to another level with his usage. Alex is similar to Bonds, a HOF player who turned to PEDs for reasons of ego.

The guy is a mystery forever. And he's probably giving a urine sample this afternoon.
 

AMS25

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 29, 2008
3,141
Holland on the Plains
Definitely a mystery! I wonder whether the year off gave A-Rod the chance to rest his hips and fully heal. Of course, he's not much of a fielder right now, but he can definitely hit.
 

foulkehampshire

hillbilly suburbanite
SoSH Member
Feb 25, 2007
5,101
Wesport, MA
terrynever said:
If he is this good without (we presume) PEDs, at age 39, why the hell did he think he needed them in the first place? It's not like Lance Armstrong, who rose to another level with his usage. Alex is similar to Bonds, a HOF player who turned to PEDs for reasons of ego.

The guy is a mystery forever. And he's probably giving a urine sample this afternoon.
 
Let's see how long it lasts. This could be just shades of Tino Martinez's 2005.
 
He could be gassed by June.
 

SaveBooFerriss

twenty foreskins
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Feb 9, 2001
6,179
Robin' it
foulkehampshire said:
Let's see how long it lasts. This could be just shades of Tino Martinez's 2005.
 
He could be gassed by June.
Possible. But right now he looks like the Yanks' best hitter.
 

terrynever

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Aug 25, 2005
21,717
pawtucket
foulkehampshire said:
Let's see how long it lasts. This could be just shades of Tino Martinez's 2005.
 
He could be gassed by June.
Babe Ruth hit 3 homers in one game two weeks before he retired.
 

BoredViewer

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
3,092
Is it possible that even clean, years of PED usage have left him in better shape than he would've been otherwise?
 

InsideTheParker

persists in error
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
40,535
Pioneer Valley
terrynever said:
If he is this good without (we presume) PEDs, at age 39, why the hell did he think he needed them in the first place? It's not like Lance Armstrong, who rose to another level with his usage. Alex is similar to Bonds, a HOF player who turned to PEDs for reasons of ego.

The guy is a mystery forever. And he's probably giving a urine sample this afternoon.
Why do we presume he is without PEDs? He never failed a test, did he? And yet they got evidence of his use. Also, as suggested above, I have seen some doctors arguing that PEDs linger in the body for years. Nellie Cruz, anybody? 
 

EvilEmpire

paying for his sins
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 9, 2007
17,295
Washington
I think it is very unlikely that ARod is still using. He wants to get paid. Why risk that? His legacy is already tarnished and he is on his last contract.

As far as PEDs helping players years after they stopped using, that sounds plausible, assuming muscle mass is easier to maintain than build. Build mass with PEDs and maintain without.

Don't know if that assumption is correct though.
 

jon abbey

Shanghai Warrior
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
71,218
I wouldn't be surprised if he's using something, hitting his longest HR in 9 years when he is 40 seems at least a bit odd. To be fair, I also wouldn't be surprised if almost anyone else in baseball was using. 
 
What's the status of baseball testing for HGH?
 

Mugsy's Jock

Eli apologist
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 28, 2000
15,125
UWS, NYC
Just wait until A-Rod is the obvious pick as the MFY representative at the All-Star Game!  Heads will explode...
 

glennhoffmania

meat puppet
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 25, 2005
8,411,697
NY
I'm not surprised that he's hitting well.  He's always been a great hitter.  I'm mostly surprised that he's playing at all.  With all of the cheating, lying and ridiculous behavior in general I don't know why any team would want him around.  I can't imagine that the other 24 guys are psyched that he's in their clubhouse.  
 

jon abbey

Shanghai Warrior
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
71,218
glennhoffmania said:
I'm not surprised that he's hitting well.  He's always been a great hitter.  I'm mostly surprised that he's playing at all.  With all of the cheating, lying and ridiculous behavior in general I don't know why any team would want him around.  I can't imagine that the other 24 guys are psyched that he's in their clubhouse.  
 
My impression is that he's much more disliked by management and fans (and of course opposing fans) then by other players. Guys like Cano and Melky always seemed to look up to him and he was even good friends with Ortiz before he specifically sold him out in 2013. It's not a Barry Bonds situation, where his teammates all hate him, I think anyway. 
 

glennhoffmania

meat puppet
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 25, 2005
8,411,697
NY
jon abbey said:
 
My impression is that he's much more disliked by management and fans (and of course opposing fans) then by other players. Guys like Cano and Melky always seemed to look up to him and he was even good friends with Ortiz before he specifically sold him out in 2013. It's not a Barry Bonds situation, where his teammates all hate him, I think anyway. 
From what I've read (and I'm on my phone so I don't have the patience to find links right now) he was disliked by his teammates in Seattle and despised by his teammates in Texas. Jeter's feelings for him are well known and didn't some of the Biogenesis guys think he was at least partially to blame for them getting exposed?

Maybe guys in NY like Cano and Melky liked him a couple of years ago but how do his current teammates feel after the soap opera crap over the last year plus?
 

mauidano

Mai Tais for everyone!
SoSH Member
Aug 21, 2006
36,000
Maui
glennhoffmania said:
From what I've read (and I'm on my phone so I don't have the patience to find links right now) he was disliked by his teammates in Seattle and despised by his teammates in Texas. Jeter's feelings for him are well known and didn't some of the Biogenesis guys think he was at least partially to blame for them getting exposed?

Maybe guys in NY like Cano and Melky liked him a couple of years ago but how do his current teammates feel after the soap opera crap over the last year plus?
Most of the new guys are younger guys and probably are in awe of the media icon he is and weren't around for most of his drama.  Plus he's a pretty good ballplayer. That being said, the season is young and A-Rod can't help himself most of the time.  Don't expect smooth sailing!
 

Leather

given himself a skunk spot
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
28,451
A Rod: "I'm having the time of my life!"
 
While baseball was ready to let go of Rodriguez, he wasn't prepared to let go of the game. He constantly worked out, took batting practice until his hands blistered and even spent a week with home run king Barry Bonds, picking his brain in between workouts. "It's amazing how smart he is," said Rodriguez, who became the third-oldest Yankee since 1914 to hit two homers in a game Friday, including a 471-foot blast. "He just knows so much about hitting."
 
Meanwhile:
 
"My godfather means the world to me. I love him to a T,'' Bonds told USA TODAY Sports in an hour-long telephone interview, "but when Alex hits No. 660, I'll be happy for him. Willie will be happy for him. Everybody should be happy for him.
 
 

Dahabenzapple2

Mr. McGuire / Axl's Counter
SoSH Member
Jun 20, 2011
8,927
Wayne, NJ
did anyone besides me almost get physically ill after reading the above post with quotes from A-Rod and Bonds?
 
"it's amazing how smart he is" A-Rod
 
Barry teaching A-Rod how to pass drug tests???
 
"but when Alex hits No. 660, I'll be happy for him. Willie will be happy for him. Everybody should be happy for him" ugh
 
Bonds telling us how we should feel about A-Rod's fraudulent accomplishments
 
spare us
 

StuckOnYouk

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 26, 2006
3,542
CT
So according to the "scroll" on ESPN's sportscenter, as long as the Yankees choose to not market his HR milestones, they owe him nothing. A-Rod would have the right to file a grievance but NY does not expect him to.
 
 
Well that solves that then. Sonuvabitch.
 

glennhoffmania

meat puppet
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 25, 2005
8,411,697
NY
Dahabenzapple2 said:
 
 
"but when Alex hits No. 660, I'll be happy for him. Willie will be happy for him. Everybody should be happy for him" ugh
 
 
 
As usual, most of what Bonds and Arod say is bullshit:
 
“I don’t think I have any feeling about it at all,” Willie Mays told the Daily News, referring to A-Rod being five home runs shy of tying the Hall of Famer on the career list after swatting No. 655 Thursday night at Yankee Stadium.
 
 

jon abbey

Shanghai Warrior
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
71,218
A-Rod has quietly stopped hitting in the past week, 3-24 with 9 BBs. The OBP is OK (.364), the SLG from a DH not so much (.167). 
 

Average Reds

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
35,432
Southwestern CT
StuckOnYouk said:
So according to the "scroll" on ESPN's sportscenter, as long as the Yankees choose to not market his HR milestones, they owe him nothing. A-Rod would have the right to file a grievance but NY does not expect him to.
 
 
Well that solves that then. Sonuvabitch.
ESPN's scroll is simply what the Yankees are claiming.  Arte Moreno made a similar claim about voiding Josh Hamilton's contract.  How's that working for him? 
 
The Yankees may try to bluster their way out of this one, but I don't expect it to work.  I do expect them to make A-Rod litigate the issue, because why the fuck not?
 
1 more HR until the legal fireworks start.
 

Doctor G

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 24, 2007
2,331
StuckOnYouk said:
So according to the "scroll" on ESPN's sportscenter, as long as the Yankees choose to not market his HR milestones, they owe him nothing. A-Rod would have the right to file a grievance but NY does not expect him to.
 
 
Well that solves that then. Sonuvabitch.
After the objections by the MLBPA when he was supposedly on his way to Boston, I don't think the final decision will be in ARod's hands. This is also a reduction in contract value.
 

NJ Fan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Here's what I'd love to see this weekend...
 
Sox cruising along tonight with a 7-1 lead in the top of the 8th.  A-Rod hits a solo shot.  The Sox stop the game and present A-Rod with a plaque commemorating the occasion of tying Mays, including a video compilation of his big HRs.  At the shops inside the stadium and across the street, commemorative T-shirts are sold for this "marketing opportunity."  Sox win the game 7-2.
 
Other AL teams join in on this and the NYY are embarrassed into acknowledging the event and are "forced" to cough up the $6 mil to A-Rod.
 

snowmanny

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 8, 2005
15,773
I don't understand why I can't vote for this guy on MLB's "Greatest Living Player" contest.