Sign and trades are almost impossible under the new CBA, so I don't know if including Rozier would work.
Anthony Davis: No Loyalty
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Plus would NO want to start their rebuild with a big contract for Rozier on their books? Is he a player they'd see as a piece for the future?
How does this give NO more leverage? Few teams can join the fray and the public trade request means teams know they will have to deal him at some point. Wouldn’t they have been far better off with this all quiet shopping him as if they didn’t have to make a move?
New Orleans' leverage doesn't decrease this summer though since Boston would jump right into the mix and raise the level of offers from every competing team. The worst thing New Orleans could do is to trade AD before the deadline unless a surprise team like Philly jumps into the mix and offers Simmons, which is probably unlikely since they can't risk being left with Embiid and nothing else if Butler/AD leave.
LeBron and Paul aren't dumb though. I'm sure there's a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff going on. They don't want any public "I'm only signing with LA" proclamations that would get the tampering stuff going again.
I can actually see this being possibly true. He’s giving them a few different bites at the apple. It may be true that this pre-deadline bite isn’t going to be all that great from a competitive standpoint, but it’s better than giving them very little runway to work a deal. And perhaps he cares about NO fans and doesn’t want to be viewed in the same light as Kawhi.
Once again, Davis has the most leverage here. If he tells Demps et al that he will only sign with one team, that is his market. It sucks for the Pelicans but that is how the league works.
The single most important piece of information here isn't what the Pelicans want or what other teams can offer. Its whether Davis is open to more than just one destination long term.
The single most important piece of information here isn't what the Pelicans want or what other teams can offer. Its whether Davis is open to more than just one destination long term.
True, but that doesn't stop them from taking the best deal from the Celtics, and Ainge rolling the dice on a one year with AD.
He makes a good point, though. The Pelicans would be crazy to trade Davis before they learn how the 2019 draft lottery shakes out.
This. And right now all we really have is speculation on this front. At some point, the Woj's of the world will find out and report on AD's intentions. If AD gets traded to the Lakers for some pupu platter of mediocre players, then the fix was always in. I bet there is a TON of back channel communicating going on, including guys like Kyrie telling AD to wait until the summer. It's quite possible that AD is a Lakers lean but hasn't completely ruled out teams like the Celtics. He's basically a FA at this point and teams will be making their pitches through players in a totally tampering but impossible to prove kind of way.
Nailed it.
You could even make the argument that Davis would be best off to have Paul announce AD will only sign a long-term deal with 1 team. With the Pels hands tied they couldn't extract the highest return, thus the team getting AD would retain their most valuable assets.
Indeed but its hard to see Ainge gambling all of his hard work on Davis staying without a commitment. Trading for him and then him bolting could conceivably hamstring the franchise for the rest of Ainge's days running the club. Or it could hasten his exit as well.
Allowing some bending of the Rose rule to get AD on the Celtics would certainly make the playoffs and a likely GS-BOS finals matchup more interesting.
AD is awesome. Question, though, how well does his game fit into the Celtics' system?
AD is awesome. Question, though, how well does his game fit into the Celtics' system?
As a side note, its Superbowl week and one of the top trending stories on Twitter is Anthony Davis. Silver should be roasting Goodell in their league commissioner group chat/text.
They aren't "almost impossible". New Orleans qualifies to be on the receiving end of one as they won't be anywhere near the apron. And the amounts of money being discussed are large enough that a Rozier deal would fit comfortably.
I mean there would be other options, for example if the Suns really wanted Rozier then a sign & trade there as part of an AD deal (with Josh Jackson headed to N'awlins) works. Boston has a lot of different options that don't involve Tatum and swamp anything the Lakers have to offer.
I simply cannot see a Davis deal with Boston that doesn't have Tatum going to New Orleans. Anything is possible but I expect the Pelicans to make that the key ask. And I would expect Ainge to bite assuming that the rest of the package isn't prohibitively costly. I get the Cs have other valuable assets but Tatum is the one Demps and New Orleans are going to insist upon.
Meanwhile, New Orleans is weeping in its jambalaya on both counts.
I mean if they really prefer a collection of roleplayers then there isn't much Boston's going to be able to do.
and now you fumbled it at the 2yrd line DeJesus
AD has the leverage, as you stated above. AD will want to play with Tatum or have the Celtics retain that asset.
Brown + Draft Picks + TL + Rozier S&T + others should be enough for the Pels if Rich Paul announces that AD will only sign a deal with the Celtics.
An idea from Nate Duncan in his pre-trade demand announcement pod: In addition to the Lakers and Sixers, one could also imagine a couple of teams who could trade for AD as a GFIN style gamble if the trade happens before the deadline. From the acquiring team's perspective maybe they have slim chance of convincing AD to stay, but at a minimum they have him for two playoff runs. Toronto could build an offer around Valanciunas's salary and Siakam, OG and picks as the assets.
I might like that more than a Lakers package, since there is at least a chance a Toronto'a pick three years out could be valuable and Pascal looks to be making a leap.
I might like that more than a Lakers package, since there is at least a chance a Toronto'a pick three years out could be valuable and Pascal looks to be making a leap.
Agreed if Davis says Cs or bust. However I was contemplating a scenario where its more of a jump ball.
Boston just has to have the top offer. If Demps says "We'll take the pupu platter of suck!" call his bluff. And publicly so that the owners understand that their GM is inept.
There is no way Rich Paul is handing Demps/Pels the power to send AD to whomever they want. Especially if it means taking the very best assets from the team AD wants to win a championship with.
From AD's perspective, he gave the Pelicans 7 seasons of All-Star hoops at a massive discount.
Are the Raptors a dark horse here? If any team would be willing to GFIN, it would be them given their move for Kawhi. Say they come at New Orleans with a Siakam/Anunoby/filler (Valanciunas+)/pick deal for AD, who says no?
Siakam has made a big leap this year and Anunoby is progressing well. Give me those guys over any LA combo. It would be quite the risk but they could always trade AD before next year's deadline to get some value back if it isn't working out.
Siakam has made a big leap this year and Anunoby is progressing well. Give me those guys over any LA combo. It would be quite the risk but they could always trade AD before next year's deadline to get some value back if it isn't working out.
Dell Demps should not be allowed to make any deal. He should be fired. If the Pelicans upper management weren't' run by a bunch of football guys, I would say this would be a near certainty and it would point to a summer trade of Davis.
Letting Dell Demps make the trade and then firing him would be hilarious and such a Pelicans thing to do.
Letting Dell Demps make the trade and then firing him would be hilarious and such a Pelicans thing to do.
I don't know anything more than any other random fan. However the scenario I envisioned was AD/Paul informing the Pelicans that they have a list of preferred destinations including Boston, Toronto, LAL, Philly etc. If that is the way this plays out, Tatum most definitely would be on the table.
All things equal, Davis may want to play with a guy like Tatum but it just may not be viable. If he likes Boston/Kyrie then I could see him being ok with Tatum going the other way. Where Davis holds most of the cards is whether he has one preferred destination or not.
If the Cs can acquire Davis without giving up Tatum, Ainge is even better than we thought. And he is clearly very shrewd.
In pure hoops terms, I love the idea of a Pelicans team built around a positionally versatile core of Holiday-Simmons-Randle-Mirotic. I could even see a "Ewing effect" where they suddenly start winning 55+ games a year.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-lakers-knicks-preparing-make-offers-anthony-davis-201159011.html
Chris Haynes reporting that Boston is not a preferred destination.
He's also saying that AD may be traded to the Knicks and then Durant and Kyrie will sign there this offseason so.
Chris Haynes reporting that Boston is not a preferred destination.
He's also saying that AD may be traded to the Knicks and then Durant and Kyrie will sign there this offseason so.
He's not saying Kyrie will sign there. He said the Knicks would be in a position to sign him or Kemba.
Seeing how Kyrie came out before the season and said he's gonna re-sign in Boston, the fact that there's this "uncertainty" now ALL stems from his phone call. One thinks he'd want to clear that up if that's a misread of things.
if this somehow comes to pass, we're in basketball hell.
Thankfully it should not come to pass.
Why would the Knicks trade Porzingis, Knox, and presumably multiple future 1sts for Davis? Moreso, why would the Pelicans take that deal? Porzingis is coming off an ACL and who knows how he comes back off of it. Is he the superstar some may think he is still? 7'3" players with knee injuries don't normally come back better off.
I usually trust Haynes' work, but I can't see the Knicks as a viable trade partner.
Don't underestimate the possibility that Haynes' sources are playing their own game either.
Didn't Rich Paul/Maverick Carter come up with "The Decision"? These guys want client control and they enjoy flaunting that power. This is nothing new for agents in the NBA, David Falk use to shrewdly dictate to GMs/owners where his clients would play.
Klutch/AD probably know exactly where they want AD to play. Why would they let the Pelicans decide where AD goes for the next 2 seasons in his prime? Just so the Pelicans can maximize their asset haul. That would be bad business for Klutch and hurt AD's chances of winning a championship with his new ballclub.
Whether or not 'Zingis ever makes it back fully, Kevin Knox, an unprotected #1, and future picks is a pretty solid deal. Especially if Porzingis is able to make it back.
It does say that the Knicks could sign Durant and Irving, but probably because the writer's assuming that the Pelicans take on some of New York's deadweight deals in the trade. Which I don't see happening at all. If there's a trade it will be Kantner, Knox, Porzingis, and picks. So the Knicks would have room for, at best, one max contract.
If Durant and Irving wanted to team up in the Big Apple, it's Brooklyn or bust.
It's not better than any package Boston can put together. It really benefits NO to sit on Davis(even sit him out the rest of the year) and pick this up on July 1st so that Boston can get in the mix.
I'm not arguing that because I've been explicitly saying it all along. The Pelicans aren't trading Davis until Boston can enter the bidding because their asset cache is far and away the best in the NBA at the moment.
All of this is from "sources close to AD". There's a 99.9832432% chance that's the same guy who could be termed "close to Lebron". And AD wants this trade done now, as does Lebron.
Will his preference likely change after the season? No. But it could. So they are orchestrating it now.
And the "uncertainty" about Kyrie resigning? I mean, come on. They could wait til after the season and that would all be resolved. But they don't want to do that, because then that excuse goes away. Because there's no chance Kyrie wouldn't resign if AD was coming to town.
He's going to LA.
Will his preference likely change after the season? No. But it could. So they are orchestrating it now.
And the "uncertainty" about Kyrie resigning? I mean, come on. They could wait til after the season and that would all be resolved. But they don't want to do that, because then that excuse goes away. Because there's no chance Kyrie wouldn't resign if AD was coming to town.
He's going to LA.
Last thought - short of landing AD, the best thing that can happen for the Celtics is knowing they are already out of the running. Ainge can explore other moves now or formulate an offseason strategy around other targets.
The absolute worst outcome would be this trade hanging over the Cs for the rest of the season and then having them lose out during the summer.
If Haynes is right, Ainge should already be on to plan B. The timing of this smells a lot like Davis to the Lakers is the most likely outcome.
The absolute worst outcome would be this trade hanging over the Cs for the rest of the season and then having them lose out during the summer.
If Haynes is right, Ainge should already be on to plan B. The timing of this smells a lot like Davis to the Lakers is the most likely outcome.
Then they're playing a dangerous game of LAL saying something like the "The offer is X now", but after the season it's "X minus something" and then AD more vehemently saying he will only sign in LA.
Knicks can trade first round pick this year, Zingis, Knox, and Hardaway and go after both Kyrie (or Kemba) and Durant in the offseason.
I don’t think it’s that dangerous. That would be a transparent bluff from the Lakers. And they’d be risking another Kawhi/Toronto situation.
Windhorst on Lowe Post podcast thinks there are 3 teams that is on Davis' list: Lakers, Celtics, Knicks. He also thinks a fascinating team to watch is Philadelphia. BW was talking to a team and thinks Philly could go 2 ways: using Houston as a 3rd team with Jimmy Butler going to Houston or use Ben Simmons.
That's assuming that New Orleans agrees to pay $19 million on the off chance that the New York pick isn't a mid lottery pick once they add Anthony Davis for the stretch run of Tank Battle: 2019!. And I just don't think they pay the cash.
The only thing worse than Lakers mythology is Knicks mythology. When the best thing that you can say about the team is that their arena is old, it's a joke franchise.
That crap story is the closest that the Knicks will come to a super team in our lifetimes.
That crap story is the closest that the Knicks will come to a super team in our lifetimes.
I think this is 100% a power play now by Rich Paul and Lerbon(And AD I guess...). And we shouldn't, even though we all will, worry about it, ha ha.
I can easily see Davis sitting the rest of the season if he isn't traded to LA. The Pelicans should start trading their other assets now, Randle, Mirotic, Holiday even. Let LA make it worth their while, give them a list of who to go get with their own assets. Paul should have done this two months ago.
With it now out that Lebron wants Walton out. This is Lebron setting up the end of this year, and his Laker legacy.
This is what he did in Cleveland, and what he will do in LA. If Magic doesn't make it happen, James Jones will move over from Phoenix in a heartbeat... Jeanie Buss is at Lebron's call.
I can easily see Davis sitting the rest of the season if he isn't traded to LA. The Pelicans should start trading their other assets now, Randle, Mirotic, Holiday even. Let LA make it worth their while, give them a list of who to go get with their own assets. Paul should have done this two months ago.
With it now out that Lebron wants Walton out. This is Lebron setting up the end of this year, and his Laker legacy.
This is what he did in Cleveland, and what he will do in LA. If Magic doesn't make it happen, James Jones will move over from Phoenix in a heartbeat... Jeanie Buss is at Lebron's call.
Huh? They’re at about 92% for home attendance, which puts them at like 21st and decimal point away from being higher. Are the Piston, Clippers and Nets going to cold too? Because they all have lower attendance numbers at home than the Pels. As do like six other teams.
It's not about people attending games, it's about corporate sponsorships. The Pelicans play in an arena named by Smoothie King. That's not a great sign right there.