Anthony Davis: No Loyalty

[RedOctober3829]

New Orleans statement to ESPN on Anthony Davis: "This past weekend, Anthony Davis' representatives informed us that Anthony does not wish to sign a contract extension with our team and subsequently has requested a trade. Although we are disappointed in this decision our organization's top priority is to bring an NBA championship to our city and fans build our team for long-term success. Relative to specific talks of a trade, we will do this on our timeline. One that make sense for our team and it will not be dictated by those outside of our organization. We have also requested the League to strictly enforce the tampering rules associated with this transaction."

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

I understand that, the post I quoted said ‘no one goes to their games’. I’m not trying to be pedantic but it’s not accurate. The Pistons arena is named by Little Caesars so I’m not sure Smoothie King is all that bad, at least not that the team is goin to fold.

 

[the moops]

I understand that, the post I quoted said ‘no one goes to their games’. I’m not trying to be pedantic but it’s not accurate. The Pistons arena is named by Little Caesars so I’m not sure Smoothie King is all that bad, at least not that the team is goin to fold.

Looks like it was a 40 million dollar naming rights deal for 10 years. TD Garden is 6 mill a year. Target Center is like 2 million

 

[lexrageorge]

It's clear that Klutch realizes that Boston could easily top whatever the Lakers can offer in exchange for Davis, and, if so, NO will have to take the better offer. So Klutch is trying to see if they can convinced Demps to trade AD now. NY is the Plan B if the Lakers cannot put enough of an offer to make the Pelicans pull the trigger.

As noted above, Brown plus a package of picks and players may easily top the Lakers' best offer, and Ainge would likely have no problem doing that even for 1 year of Davis. And 1 year of Davis may be enough to convince Kyrie to stick around for perhaps 2 seasons.

 

[Gash Prex]

What this Kyrie thing? He came out and said he was signing with Boston - one phone call, and we have to listen to this made up crap about him going to the Lakers and Knicks now? Come on - that is just pure wishcasting by the media and fans

 

[lexrageorge]

What this Kyrie thing? He came out and said he was signing with Boston - one phone call, and we have to listen to this made up crap about him going to the Lakers and Knicks now? Come on - that is just pure wishcasting by the media and fans

For one, I would never take what Kyrie says as gospel. He would have no trouble "going back on his word" if he felt he wanted to be elsewhere. He also hedged a bit and said that his decision was a "right now" thing and implied it was still subject to change.

He'll be a free agent July 1st. Free agents can go anywhere they please, and there is nothing Ainge or anyone else can do about it if he does decide to leave.

 

[BigSoxFan]

New Orleans statement to ESPN on Anthony Davis: "This past weekend, Anthony Davis' representatives informed us that Anthony does not wish to sign a contract extension with our team and subsequently has requested a trade. Although we are disappointed in this decision our organization's top priority is to bring an NBA championship to our city and fans build our team for long-term success. Relative to specific talks of a trade, we will do this on our timeline. One that make sense for our team and it will not be dictated by those outside of our organization. We have also requested the League to strictly enforce the tampering rules associated with this transaction."

Ha. The tampering has already occurred. But this was clearly directed at LA/Klutch. The next couple of weeks are going to be fun to watch. We're going to get a million reports quoting "sources" and nobody will really know a thing outside of a handful of people.

 

[Red Averages]

For one, I would never take what Kyrie says as gospel. He would have no trouble "going back on his word" if he felt he wanted to be elsewhere. He also hedged a bit and said that his decision was a "right now" thing and implied it was still subject to change..

Do you have backup for this?

 

[Gash Prex]

For one, I would never take what Kyrie says as gospel. He would have no trouble "going back on his word" if he felt he wanted to be elsewhere. He also hedged a bit and said that his decision was a "right now" thing and implied it was still subject to change.

He'll be a free agent July 1st. Free agents can go anywhere they please, and there is nothing Ainge or anyone else can do about it if he does decide to leave.

"Me asking the Celtics if they would have me back, that was the first question," Irving said. "I just wanted to make sure. And then at that point, it was an easy decision."

Added Irving: "Honestly, it just was like, 'Man, I do not want to move again.' I do not want to uproot my family and just be dealing with anything new again. No disrespect to other organizations, but here is perfect for me."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24905161/kyrie-irving-staying-boston-celtics-happy-here

Seems pretty unequivocal to me at fan appreciation night.

Of course nothing can be "done about it" - just seems like its a non-story given the commitment to resign and holding a forum at the Garden in front of the fans - there is literally a video of it.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/kyrie-irving-confirms-he-plans-re-sign-celtics

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

For one, I would never take what Kyrie says as gospel. He would have no trouble "going back on his word" if he felt he wanted to be elsewhere. He also hedged a bit and said that his decision was a "right now" thing and implied it was still subject to change.

He'll be a free agent July 1st. Free agents can go anywhere they please, and there is nothing Ainge or anyone else can do about it if he does decide to leave.

The ‘right now’ comment was based on his contract dates and the cba. It wasn’t about if he wanted to stay. But please, keep perpetuating this paranoid line of thinking that he’s going to leave.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Windhorst on Lowe Post podcast thinks there are 3 teams that is on Davis' list: Lakers, Celtics, Knicks. He also thinks a fascinating team to watch is Philadelphia. BW was talking to a team and thinks Philly could go 2 ways: using Houston as a 3rd team with Jimmy Butler going to Houston or use Ben Simmons.

Philly can’t trade Butler this year, can they? I’m reasonably certain that if Davis is a Pelican Feb 9, he’ll be a Celtic.

 

[Red Averages]

We should suspend people that spread fake news on here IMO

 

[Captaincoop]

I understand that, the post I quoted said ‘no one goes to their games’. I’m not trying to be pedantic but it’s not accurate. The Pistons arena is named by Little Caesars so I’m not sure Smoothie King is all that bad, at least not that the team is goin to fold.

The Pelicans are the least valuable team in the NBA (according to Forbes).

I can go online right now and buy tickets five rows behind their bench at the next home game for $67. And that's with one of the planet's best players on the roster.

Any way you slice it, this is a franchise in danger of moving sometime in the medium term (once AD leaves).

 

[Jimbodandy]

We should suspend people that spread fake news on here IMO

I like knowing what's out there. Most of us can weed theough the planted stories, mythology, and other agenda-driven nonsense. Even Woj has been wrong/used before. We know this. It's still good to know what national talking heads are saying.

 

[Captaincoop]

We should suspend people that spread fake news on here IMO

Everything on NBA Twitter is "fake news".

 

[Red Averages]

I like knowing what's out there. Most of us can weed theough the planted stories, mythology, and other agenda-driven nonsense. Even Woj has been wrong/used before. We know this. It's still good to know what national talking heads are saying.

I meant posters (laxgeorge) making up quotes from Kyrie to fit their narrative in this example, but it happens all the time in other places too.

 

[Zososoxfan]

The Pelicans are the least valuable team in the NBA (according to Forbes).

I can go online right now and buy tickets five rows behind their bench at the next home game for $67. And that's with one of the planet's best players on the roster.

Any way you slice it, this is a franchise in danger of moving sometime in the medium term (once AD leaves).

Your Tampa Bay Rays have officially become the Tampa Tropics!!

 

[RedOctober3829]

David Aldridge wrote an article on The Athletic today saying NO should wait until July and trade Davis to the Celtics. He opines that an offer could be Tatum, 1 of Brown or Smart, and the Memphis and Kings picks and he goes onto say that nobody can beat that.

https://theathletic.com/789274/2019/01/28/aldridge-trading-anthony-davis-to-the-celtics-is-the-best-move-for-new-orleans/

 

[RedOctober3829]

Philly can’t trade Butler this year, can they? I’m reasonably certain that if Davis is a Pelican Feb 9, he’ll be a Celtic.

I traded Butler to Houston/Davis to Philly/Simmons and Houston parts to NO in the ESPN trade machine.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

The Pelicans are the least valuable team in the NBA (according to Forbes).

I can go online right now and buy tickets five rows behind their bench at the next home game for $67. And that's with one of the planet's best players on the roster.

Any way you slice it, this is a franchise in danger of moving sometime in the medium term (once AD leaves).

Which is all great but they still value them at a billion dollars. They’re not folding. What you can buy tickets for doesn’t mean much unless you tell me what game and opponent and platform. I just bought Celtic tickets for a client and the difference in price based on date and opponent was stark, especially when bouncing around between Ticketmaster, stubhub, vivid, etc. Similar seats ranged about $100 +/-. You can keep adding qualifiers, but ‘no one goes to their games’ is not accurate. Sorry.

Edit; also valuation and revenue aren’t the same thing. Look again at that Forbes list. I’d post a pic but I’m on mobile and it won’t cooperate. They’re not last in revenue. There’s a handful behind them including the 76ers

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2018/02/07/nba-team-values-2018-every-club-now-worth-at-least-1-billion/#32a727797155

 

[bosockboy]

That Woj tweet at least shows the Pels don't plan to bend over for LAL. Just get this past the trade deadline and the odds tilt our way substantially.

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

David Aldridge wrote an article on The Athletic today saying NO should wait until July and trade Davis to the Celtics. He opines that an offer could be Tatum, 1 of Brown or Smart, and the Memphis and Kings picks and he goes onto say that nobody can beat that.

https://theathletic.com/789274/2019/01/28/aldridge-trading-anthony-davis-to-the-celtics-is-the-best-move-for-new-orleans/

Take out the middle part and still nobody can beat it. Take out one of the third parts and still nobody can beat it.

Celtics also have the nice advantage of being out of conference.

Of course it’s all window dressing unless AD says he’d stay here.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Well this is interesting.


Marc Stein: NBA spokesman Mike Bass on the Anthony Davis trade demand: "We commenced an investigation this morning upon reading the reports regarding Anthony Davis. That process is ongoing.”

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

I’m here for another instance of the league stiffing the Lakers.

 

[DJnVa]

That Woj tweet at least shows the Pels don't plan to bend over for LAL. Just get this past the trade deadline and the odds tilt our way substantially.

Not if he’s unequivocal about only signing in LA. Then it’s a whole different kind of drama.

 

[DJnVa]

Well this is interesting.


Marc Stein: NBA spokesman Mike Bass on the Anthony Davis trade demand: "We commenced an investigation this morning upon reading the reports regarding Anthony Davis. That process is ongoing.”

They won’t do anything meaningful.

EDIT: Woj saying that the issue is likely an investigation of AD—for an on the record trade request.

 

[JCizzle]

This all reeks of the Lakers. Zero sense to come out now instead of this summer unless he wants to force his way there. Combine that with LeBron's agent and all that shit. I dunno.

 

[moondog80]

Zero sense to come out now instead of this summer unless he wants to force his way there. Combine that with LeBron's agent and all that shit. I dunno.

Plausible (wishful?) alternate theory: now Boston knows not to blow their assets on Bradley Beal next week.

 

[DJnVa]

This all reeks of the Lakers

After the World Series and the upcoming Super Bowl, they gotta get one over Boston sooner or later.

 

[DJnVa]

Plausible (wishful?) alternate theory: now Boston knows not to blow their assets on Bradley Beal next week.

If Davis is a no go doesn't that make them more likely to go after Beal?

 

[moondog80]

If Davis is a no go doesn't that make them more likely to go after Beal?

Right, but if he wants to come here, the Celtics need to know that they should save their chips for him.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

They won’t do anything meaningful.

EDIT: Woj saying that the issue is likely an investigation of AD—for an on the record trade request.

This. What is the league going to do if Rich Paul has been communicating with his client and strategizing about their next move?

Everyone knows that Paul is just LeBron's puppet but unless you can get recorded conversations between LeBron directing him to have Davis demand a trade now for the explicit purpose of forcing his way to the Lakers, there is nothing to discuss. Of course the Pelicans are pissed - this puts them in a really crappy situation.

Also, I don't think posters speculating on Kyrie's future status with the Celtics are off base. Given how the season has gone, it wouldn't be a complete shock if Irving decides that with the Davis gambit a failure, the Celtics are not going to truly compete and that he ought to explore other options. He may have said all the right things but until he actually inks an extension with Boston, there is a risk that he may leave. And if the C's get bounced early etc, that alone may change his decision process.

In short, an Anthony Davis trade has the potential to change the trajectory of several franchises.

 

[Captaincoop]

Which is all great but they still value them at a billion dollars. They’re not folding. What you can buy tickets for doesn’t mean much unless you tell me what game and opponent and platform. I just bought Celtic tickets for a client and the difference in price based on date and opponent was stark, especially when bouncing around between Ticketmaster, stubhub, vivid, etc. Similar seats ranged about $100 +/-. You can keep adding qualifiers, but ‘no one goes to their games’ is not accurate. Sorry.

Edit; also valuation and revenue aren’t the same thing. Look again at that Forbes list. I’d post a pic but I’m on mobile and it won’t cooperate. They’re not last in revenue. There’s a handful behind them including the 76ers

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2018/02/07/nba-team-values-2018-every-club-now-worth-at-least-1-billion/#32a727797155

That's the Sixers coming off year 10 of an epic bottoming out. And the other team in their ballpark is Minnesota, another annual lottery participant in a small market.

Let me know when you can buy Celtics tickets behind the bench for $67. I'll be here waiting.

Who do you think drives those tickets up to $300 and more at normal NBA venues? Is it unrelated to the corporate revenue teams generate? Is the franchise value unrelated?

If any NBA team relocates in the next decade it is New Orleans. There isn't a close second.

Edit: apologize for straying off topic

 

[Gash Prex]

Any suggestion of Kryie going with Lebron is compete fan/media wishcasting, with an extra push from Rich Paul trying to force a Lebron move now with NO (ie, if Boston is off the table, then might as well trade now)

 

[lovegtm]

Any suggestion of Kryie going with Lebron is compete fan/media wishcasting, with an extra push from Rich Paul trying to force a Lebron move now with NO (ie, if Boston is off the table, then might as well trade now)

Yeah, my suspicion is that the "sources" pushing this are far from disinterested. We heard the same stuff about Kyrie before the year started. The NBA is a cut-throat business, and media leaking to try to destabilize opponents is fairly tame stuff that you have to expect.

 

[BigSoxFan]

If Davis is a no go doesn't that make them more likely to go after Beal?

Problem with a Beal trade is that, assuming Hayward is off limits for multiple reasons, matching salary would become a challenge.

Looking at trade machine, it would take something like:

Smart
Jaylen
Morris

Or you replace Morris with Rozier/Yabu. But then you’ve traded both backup PGs.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

That's the Sixers coming off year 10 of an epic bottoming out. And the other team in their ballpark is Minnesota, another annual lottery participant in a small market.

Let me know when you can buy Celtics tickets behind the bench for $67. I'll be here waiting.

Who do you think drives those tickets up to $300 and more at normal NBA venues? Is it unrelated to the corporate revenue teams generate? Is the franchise value unrelated?

If any NBA team relocates in the next decade it is New Orleans. There isn't a close second.

I don’t even know what you’re arguing at this point. While their valuation is lowest, their revenue is certainly not and their attendance is perfectly fine. For a reminder, this conversation started with your statement that no one goes to their games, then continued that Forbes valued them lowest - which is great and all but doesn’t reflect their profitability, which is not even bottom five. Bringing up prices of Celtics tickets really has zero relevance here if your talking about a team team ‘folding’ nor even relocating. They’re not about to get contracted.

 

[mcpickl]

This is interesting: http://www.celticslife.com/2019/01/getting-around-rose-rule-for-celtics-to.html

This article completely misses the point.

You can have more than one designated player on a team. You can not TRADE for two designated players. Since the Celtics traded for Kyrie, they can't trade for AD. Had Kyrie still been in Cleveland on his current deal, the Cavs could've traded for AD.

Shame on the writer for not knowing this, it's been reported extensively.

 

[Captaincoop]

I don’t even know what you’re arguing at this point. While their valuation is lowest, their revenue is certainly not and their attendance is perfectly fine. For a reminder, this conversation started with your statement that no one goes to their games, then continued that Forbes valued them lowest - which is great and all but doesn’t reflect their profitability, which is not even bottom five. Bringing up prices of Celtics tickets really has zero relevance here if your talking about a team team ‘folding’ nor even relocating. They’re not about to get contracted.

I wasn't the one who said no one goes to their games.

Also everything else you wrote is also incorrect or a function of misreading my post.

Let's get back to Davis trades.

 

[lexrageorge]

I meant posters (laxgeorge) making up quotes from Kyrie to fit their narrative in this example, but it happens all the time in other places too.

So it's OK for posters to suggest replacing Gordon Hayward with Carmelo Anthony, or to simply ignore the fact that the Celtics cannot obtain Davis until after July 1st. But it's not OK to speculate about Kyrie's signing here? Thread police are very boring.

I don't believe the media reports about Kyrie going to LA either. But I also don't put a lot of stock into players saying they will definitely stay when they are a year away from becoming a free agent. In any sport, not just the NBA. Granted, I'd rather Kyrie said what he said than simply offer a "no comment".

EDIT: I'm still trying to figure out what "ruled out Boston as favored destination" and "growing belief of uncertainty" mean. I guess sports writers don't need to do good English.

 

[Red Averages]

So it's OK for posters to suggest replacing Gordon Hayward with Carmelo Anthony, or to simply ignore the fact that the Celtics cannot obtain Davis until after July 1st. But it's not OK to speculate about Kyrie's signing here? Thread police are very boring.

I don't believe the media reports about Kyrie going to LA either. But I also don't put a lot of stock into players saying they will definitely stay when they are a year away from becoming a free agent. In any sport, not just the NBA. Granted, I'd rather Kyrie said what he said than simply offer a "no comment".

EDIT: I'm still trying to figure out what "ruled out Boston as favored destination" and "growing belief of uncertainty" mean. I guess sports writers don't need to do good English.

You literally made up a quote from Kyrie without any backup, were asked for it, didn't provide it, and are now not owning up to it. To say thread police are boring only proves how your contributions are in fact negative since you have no ownership of such an awful post. You made a Fake News comment and should be held accountable (my opinion). This isn't to single you out, this happens way too frequently on here, particularly lately where people seem to "recall" things incorrectly and are too lazy to double check and then too prideful to own it. Otherwise what standards are we aiming for? That I can just made up any quote from someone and play it off like it happened and then have people quote me in the future?

Guys don't worry AD said he wants to come to Boston this summer. Don't worry about searching for a quote.

 

[Jimbodandy]

FWIW, the guy who dropped Carmelo's name and the people not remembering the Rose rule were similarly questioned. It's ok to step on your dick in a thread. Most of us do.

 

[HowBoutDemSox]

Shams reporting that Lonzo (or, at least Lavar) doesn’t want to wind up in New Orleans in a Davis trade, wants to go to a third team where he can start:

 

[moondog80]

Shams reporting that Lonzo (or, at least Lavar) doesn’t want to wind up in New Orleans in a Davis trade, wants to go to a third team where he can start:

Does a guys whose upside is a poor man’s Rondo have the juice to make such a request?

EDIT: Lonzo Ball is a 43% career FT shooter. Wow.

 

[the moops]

And why exactly would Ball not start alongside Holiday in this hypothetical?

 

[lexrageorge]

I'm sure Magic will think long and hard about Lonzo's preferences as he prepares his offer for Davis ..... for about half a nanosecond. And the Vegas casinos will all take the under on that bet.

 

[Jimbodandy]

Does a guys whose upside is a poor man’s Rondo have the juice to make such a request?

EDIT: Lonzo Ball is a 43% career FT shooter. Wow.

He can ask, just like Thon Maker asked. It doesn't mean jack shit but he can ask.

 

[HowBoutDemSox]

Does a guys whose upside is a poor man’s Rondo have the juice to make such a request?

EDIT: Lonzo Ball is a 43% career FT shooter. Wow.

I don’t know if I’d call it “juice” so much as a play to scuttle a deal that sends him out of LA, which is where Lavar wants, really needs, Lonzo to be in order to have relevance. Getting New Orleans to rush into making a deal before the deadline when the Celtics can’t bid is a tricky enough, to do so when the centerpiece of the deal publicaly doesn’t want to go to New Orleans and has a famously big mouthed father is even trickier.

Or I could be reading too much into it.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

And why exactly would Ball not start alongside Holiday in this hypothetical?

I think the point was that he wants to have the ball in his hands and not end up in another situation like LA playing off the ball much of the time.

He can ask, just like Thon Maker asked. It doesn't mean jack shit but he can ask.

The NBA doesn’t work like this. Maker will 100% be moved by the deadline because power agents do control player movement around the league.

 

[DJnVa]

Saw on ESPN crawl this morning that "Sources say Ainge in undeterred in attempting to trade for Davis".

Gotta be weird for Tatum and Brown as they're the 2 most widely talked about pieces.