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Hoodie Sleeves

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Yeah, Im making a track record based assumption there on ST. They're 14th by DVOA so far. Coverage teams have been close to the best in the league, punt returns and FGs have been bad but with Ghost and Edelman on the roster I feel good about some regression to the mean happening there with both.
The issue with returns has largely been Cyrus Jones - and he has largely been replaced at this point. Dude had 2 fumbles in 8 returns, and had a couple "What the hell are you doing? " moments.

Ghost - who knows. Hopefully he's just having a bad month and there's not something really wrong.
 

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Well after a slow first half that turned out to be a 99th percentile outcome day for the Pats. Golden chance to beat Landry Jones next week and have an inside path to homefield.
 

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Big two weeks - at Pit and at Buf. Can get to 7-1 with a two-game lead on the Bills in the AFCE, and a commanding lead in the AFC for the #1 seed.

But much work to do. Neither of those will be easy, even though Roethlisberger will be out.
 

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Happy to see that the Chiefs showed some pluck in a week where the Broncos lost.
 

RedOctober3829

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Big two weeks - at Pit and at Buf. Can get to 7-1 with a two-game lead on the Bills in the AFCE, and a commanding lead in the AFC for the #1 seed.

But much work to do. Neither of those will be easy, even though Roethlisberger will be out.
I'll believe he's out only when he shows up on the inactive list. This guy played through an AC sprain albeit in the playoffs last year.
 

wilked

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Big two weeks - at Pit and at Buf. Can get to 7-1 with a two-game lead on the Bills in the AFCE, and a commanding lead in the AFC for the #1 seed.

But much work to do. Neither of those will be easy, even though Roethlisberger will be out.
Buffalo only 3 point fav next week in Miami (Pats 7.5 fav in Pitt). I would like the see a 3 game lead opened personally...
 

BaseballJones

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I'll believe he's out only when he shows up on the inactive list. This guy played through an AC sprain albeit in the playoffs last year.
The guy is having knee surgery today. Every report has said he's already going to miss this week but that they only play once in the next 20 days so he should be ready to go after that. I thought the same thing you did at first, but then I saw those reports and I cannot imagine he'd jeopardize his entire season for this one game.
 

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Good lord, don't lay 7.5 points on the road in Pittsburgh.
Sounds crazy, right?

Except that....

(1) Pittsburgh is allowing 20.5 points a game,
(2) The Patriots, with Brady, are averaging 34.0 points a game,
(3) Pittsburgh has Landry at QB,
(4) The Patriots are allowing only 15 points a game,
(5) Tom Brady's career stats against Pittsburgh (not including the playoffs) are: 69.3% completion, 22 td, 3 int, 113.4 rating,
(6) Brady's career game log in Pittsburgh is (not counting the 2002 playoff game where he left early in the game):

2004: 25-43 (58.1%), 271 yds, 2 td, 2 int, 34-20 loss
2005: 31-41 (75.6%), 372 yds, 0 td, 1 int, 23-20 win
2005: 14-21 (66.7%), 207 yds, 2 td, 0 int, 41-27 win (playoffs)
2010: 30-43 (69.8%), 350 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 39-26 win
2011: 24-35 (68.6%), 198 yds, 2 td, 0 int, 25-17 loss

At one of the hardest places to play in the NFL, Brady is 3-2, with a QB rating of 99.9, and his teams have averaged 28.0 points a game.

Long story short, this looks like it has the makings of a 27-17 kind of Patriots win.

But yeah, 7.5 points on the road in Pittsburgh usually isn't a bet one would be eager to take. But this time, you might make a lot of money going that route.
 

Stitch01

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Its just fundamentally not the kind of bet someone who wins at NFL gambling makes. If you want to play the Pats, pair it in a Wong teaser.
 
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I'd be pretty surprised if the Patriots don't hang 30+ on Pittsburgh. Generally speaking, our offense matches up well against whichever D the Pitt staff ever throws down. Add the fact that we'll be facing Landry Jones or a banged up Roethlisberger, and that just helps our O more.

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pokey_reese

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The Bills have the 2nd most points scored at this point in the NFL season, just barely behind the ATL Falcons. Granted, they hung 45 on the hapless Niners, but that is still a lot of points (especially considering that they only got 7 in the season opener and merely 16 against the Pats). While I will wait until after the Pats go to Buffalo to make firmer judgement, I think it's clear that they should be a better than 8-8 team against a neutral schedule.
 

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The problem with the Bills is that their head coach has shown, repeatedly, that he cannot handle prosperity. It's possible that Rex has learned and can keep the team focused from week-to-week from here on out, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Bill Belichick's success is as much tied to his maniacal ability to keep the team focused on the task at hand every single week than anything else he does. Meanwhile, Rex mentioned the Pats in his post-game press conference even though they have a divisional road game next week.
 

BaseballJones

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Standings:

1. NE 5-1
2. Oak 4-2
3. Pit 4-2
4. Hou 4-2
5. Den 4-2
6. Buf 4-2
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7. KC 3-2
8. Bal 3-3
9. Ten 3-3
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15. NYJ 1-5 (LOL)
16. Cle 0-6

Pats are #2 in the NFL in point differential behind....Buffalo. Pats at +58, Buffalo at +59. If NE had just made a single field goal against the Bills......
 

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Definition of a trap game coming up for the Bills. There's no way they are not looking forward to the Pats game. I didn't see any of the Mia/Pitt game, but it appears that the Dolphins did some good things (not sure how much happened with/without BIg Ben).

It would be so BIlls to be all pumped up for the Pats game and then go out and lay an egg this weekend.
 

BaseballJones

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Fitzpatrick is having one heck of a season for the J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets!

127-223 (57.0%), 1441 yds, 5 td, 11 int, 63.4 rating

Last four games:

84-154 (54.5%), 878 yds, 2 td, 10 int, 48.6 rating
 

riboflav

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Fitzpatrick is having one heck of a season for the J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets!

127-223 (57.0%), 1441 yds, 5 td, 11 int, 63.4 rating

Last four games:

84-154 (54.5%), 878 yds, 2 td, 10 int, 48.6 rating
Times have certainly changed. For as horrible of a year Fitz is having, he's on pace to throw for 3842 yards. A little more luck and he'd hit 4000. Incredible.
 

pokey_reese

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The problem with the Bills is that their head coach has shown, repeatedly, that he cannot handle prosperity. It's possible that Rex has learned and can keep the team focused from week-to-week from here on out, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Bill Belichick's success is as much tied to his maniacal ability to keep the team focused on the task at hand every single week than anything else he does. Meanwhile, Rex mentioned the Pats in his post-game press conference even though they have a divisional road game next week.
Is that a real thing though, or just a narrative that we weave? If the Bills (or any other team) were a .600 'true talent' level team, but had week to week focus problems, you would expect that focus (or lack thereof), if it were somehow quantifiable, would be a variable that could be worked into a model that predicts wins and losses. Presumably, when they were unfocused they might be a .500 team, and when really focused a .650 team, or something. But the reality is, we don't see that in the narrative ever. We never hear stories like "the team was really unfocused due to Rex this week, but pulled out a good win anyhow," so the effect seems to be that lack of focus appears 100% of the time in losses. Additionally, it's only a post-hoc effect, used to explain how a team could lose to another with a lower expected 'true talent' level.

I still hate Rex Ryan, and don't think that he is a good coach, but it always feels like the "can't handle prosperity" and "lack of focus" thing is just used to explain away events (better teams losing to lesser teams) that basic probability already allows for without any other justification. If the Pats go into Buffalo and lose, will it be because Bill let them lose focus, or because they are playing a decent team on the road? If Buffalo loses, will it be because Rex can't handle prosperity, or because the Pats are a good team?
 

WayBackVazquez

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Times have certainly changed. For as horrible of a year Fitz is having, he's on pace to throw for 3842 yards. A little more luck and he'd hit 4000. Incredible.
I don't think there's anything too new about these kinds of numbers after six games. Not common for it to be allowed to continue for a full season, but not exactly unique, either. Bledsoe threw for over 8,000 yards over two years with a QB rating under 70.
 

Toe Nash

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A lot of those yards and some of the interceptions have come because they were trailing and had to throw. Especially in the Chiefs game it seemed like he was just winging it. Probably not too different from the early Bledsoe years.
 

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4000 yards is no longer a meaningful bench mark. There have been 53 4K passing seasons over the last 5 years, plus another 16 who reached 3800-3999.
 

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4000 yards is no longer a meaningful bench mark. There have been 53 4K passing seasons over the last 5 years, plus another 16 who reached 3800-3999.
It is for the Jets. Their next 4000 yard passer will be their first since 1967 and will very likely set the franchise record.
 

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Hell of an opportunity next week vs Bills. Will finish up the first half of the season, can put 3 games between you and next closest division team, and enter the bye week in control of the conference
 

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Yeah this week is absolutely huge. A win basically wraps up the AFC East. With the bye looming and the way the Bills beat us in week 4, I would imagine BB has them ready to play on Sunday.
 

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Definition of a trap game coming up for the Bills. There's no way they are not looking forward to the Pats game. I didn't see any of the Mia/Pitt game, but it appears that the Dolphins did some good things (not sure how much happened with/without BIg Ben).

It would be so BIlls to be all pumped up for the Pats game and then go out and lay an egg this weekend.
Nice call. MIA really helping us out by beating PIT and BUF back to back.
 

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Buffalo was very stupid for playing McCoy yesterday who got hurt again. Status likely in doubt for next week.
 

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File this away as mildly surprising: The Patriots have let up the least amount of points in the AFC.

Yes, fewer than the Broncos, even BEFORE they play tonight.
 

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The Pats are beating teams by 2-3 scores and it doesn't feel like any of the 3 units are peaking. Whereas last year when the Pats went 10-0 and were demolishing teams (before Lewis got hurt), it felt like the team was peaking. Ditto the first half or 10 games of 2007. We are nearly halfway through the season and it seems like they can get so much better. Injuries are the great unknown but I love the direction of this team.
 

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Barring injuries to Brady or Gronk or catastrophic cascade injuries at a single position the AFC regular season race is over. A healthy (average injury luck) Patriots team is going 13-3 or better like 95% of the time.
 

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Barring injuries to Brady or Gronk or catastrophic cascade injuries at a single position the AFC regular season race is over. A healthy (average injury luck) Patriots team is going 13-3 or better like 95% of the time.
I'm all for superlatives, but this would mean they would be somewhere between 12 and 14 point favorites for each of those 9 games
 

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-5.5, -6.5, -13, -9.5, -15, -14. -3, -14.5, -9.5 by the market today with a 2.5 point homefield. So OK, change it to 12-4....but seriously, they're not going to lose 4 games. Like -5.5 @ Buffalo next week is great, but they're going to win like 44-20
 

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-5.5, -6.5, -13, -9.5, -15, -14. -3, -14.5, -9.5 by the market today with a 2.5 point homefield. So OK, change it to 12-4....but seriously, they're not going to lose 4 games.
I'm starting to think winning out is a real possibility. The biggest question mark games, IMO, are at Denver and at Miami, only because they tend to play down in both places. But I think those two teams are down just enough this year that being home won't help them. The Miami game could end up being a "rest the starters and showcase Jimmy" game.

My final prediction is 14-2, only because I think the Pats do end up sitting starters @ Miami and they end up dropping the game.
 

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I'm starting to think winning out is a real possibility. The biggest question mark games, IMO, are at Denver and at Miami, only because they tend to play down in both places. But I think those two teams are down just enough this year that being home won't help them. The Miami game could end up being a "rest the starters and showcase Jimmy" game.

My final prediction is 14-2, only because I think the Pats do end up sitting starters @ Miami and they end up dropping the game.
They always lose some stupid game you don't expect. I'm going with 13-3, or 12-4 if they're in a position to rest starters Week 17.
 

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I think the -13 for @SF (assuming I'm reading your post correctly) might be a bit high. SurvivorGrid has it at -9.5 right now(http://www.survivorgrid.com/); I'd imainge it would probably come in at around -11. -9.5 @NYJ seems a tad high too.
Im using inpredictable and 2.5 points for homefield. They have the Pats 16 better than SF on a neutral, so by the methodology I was using should probably have been 13.5. I dont know what survivorgrid's exact methodology is, inpredictable takes the current betting market and extrapolates based on today's snapshot.

http://stats.inpredictable.com/rankings/nfl.php
 

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They always lose some stupid game you don't expect. I'm going with 13-3, or 12-4 if they're in a position to rest starters Week 17.
The Rams game is one of those games that scares me, both in terms of having a let down and Fisher having someone target Gronk low.

Even then, though, who is going to finish with a better record than the Pats? I wouldn't be surprised if 11-5 got the one seed this year, though 11-5 and a loss to Denver may not suffice. I am comfortable saying 12-4 gets it done, with maybe a 30% chance Denver matches. Ten wins might actually be sufficient for a bye lol, given Pats have head to head over two division favorites in Houston and Pitt.
 

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One thing that doesn't get mentioned about the Pats' unbelievable run the last 15 years is almost each and every year they've played a first-place schedule.

It's amazing when you consider that year in and year out they're playing division winners from the previous year while the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins are playing teams in equal standing within their respective divisions.

It really makes you realize that the Patriots haven't just been good, they've truly been fucking dominant for a decade and a half.
 

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That results in 2 games being against tougher opponents than the rest of your division faces.

Which gives the Pats (this year) the Texans and Broncos. Not sure they are that much more difficult opponents than the 3rd place Bills get with Oakland and Jax
 

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Also, every year the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins play 4 division games against tomato cans and 2 against the Pats while the Pats don't have to play the best team in the division twice year in and year out. That evens things out.
 

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Yeah first place schedule isn't really as big of an issue as it was when there were three divisions and it effected four games instead of two.
 

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One thing that doesn't get mentioned about the Pats' unbelievable run the last 15 years is almost each and every year they've played a first-place schedule.

It's amazing when you consider that year in and year out they're playing division winners from the previous year while the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins are playing teams in equal standing within their respective divisions.

It really makes you realize that the Patriots haven't just been good, they've truly been fucking dominant for a decade and a half.
For me the better indicator is when you look at the Pats' team record splits -- AFC/NFC; in division/out of division; home/away; inside/outside; etc -- they all look remarkably similar with winning pct around .667-.800. Nothing fazes these guys. Nothing.
 

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The Patriots have a some tough games coming up, but sit in excellent position in the AFC at the close of (the AFC's part of) week 8, alone in first.

Their primary competition for the #1 seed are the teams in the AFCW. Outside of the AFCW, the Patriots hold a 2-game-plus-tiebreaker lead over HOU, a 2.5-game-plus-tiebreaker lead over PIT, and a 3-or-more-game lead over everyone (non-AFCW) else. Thus, they are in great position for getting a bye.

The AFC North is close, but I have no confidence in CIN or BAL, so I think PIT emerges as the division winner. Same with the AFC south and HOU emerging. Could the AFCW have three playoff teams? I wouldn't be surprised.

Clearly, the west is the most interesting division in the AFC going forward. Denver is done playing SD, but plays both OAK and KC twice, still. The (non-SD) games going forward: DEN@OAK week 9; KC@DEN week 12; OAK@KC week 14; DEN@KC week 16; OAK@DEN week 17. The final two weeks of the season could be interesting for the AFCW.
 

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Seems like the AFC is over except for seeding

Pats
Steelers
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3 playoff teams from the west.

If one of the AFC west teams collapses, the Jets could sneak in ;)