Beast Mode in New England?

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The one thing that annoys me and gets lost in the "play" from SB-Butler is the the fact that most of that game (with the exception of 2 minutes at the end of the 1st half and the about 10 minutes of the 3rd qtr) was the Pats controlled the game. They were the better team. The narrative that the Pats were lucky, and the cherry-picking of plays, is bogus..

I fucking hate that shit.
 

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The one thing that annoys me and gets lost in the "play" from SB-Butler is the the fact that most of that game (with the exception of 2 minutes at the end of the 1st half and the about 10 minutes of the 3rd qtr) was the Pats controlled the game. They were the better team. The narrative that the Pats were lucky, and the cherry-picking of plays, is bogus..

I fucking hate that shit.
Yup. And our "lucky" play was the result of incredible preparation and even better onfield execution. End of the day, people will be looking to discredit any Patriots win as best they can whether it be in the form of cheating accusations, luck, etc. Just comes with the territory and all we can do is just smile and laugh.
 

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The one thing that annoys me and gets lost in the "play" from SB-Butler is the the fact that most of that game (with the exception of 2 minutes at the end of the 1st half and the about 10 minutes of the 3rd qtr) was the Pats controlled the game. They were the better team. The narrative that the Pats were lucky, and the cherry-picking of plays, is bogus..

I fucking hate that shit.
Yeah, we could go through the list of postseason losses where we were literally one ordinary-level-of-execution play from victory or extending the game, like that 2PC vs Denver or a half-dozen plays in the 2006 AFCCG, to say nothing of the 2011 SB loss. We've lost comprehensively a few times (2009 Ravens, 2010 Jets, 2005 Broncos, etc) but the coinflip moments in games that are on a knife-edge have gone against us as often as they've gone for us.

If the Kearse pass hits the ground incomplete, Seattle probably runs out of time or gets stopped on 4th somewhere between the 45 and the goal line.
 

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The one thing that annoys me and gets lost in the "play" from SB-Butler is the the fact that most of that game (with the exception of 2 minutes at the end of the 1st half and the about 10 minutes of the 3rd qtr) was the Pats controlled the game. They were the better team. The narrative that the Pats were lucky, and the cherry-picking of plays, is bogus..

I fucking hate that shit.
Exactly. Seattle had the end of the half TD, a few bombs that got completed, but other than that Pats were dominant. Never should have come down to the final minutes.
 

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I half disagree. I wouldnt say the Pats got lucky to beat the Seahawks or anything, but until the Butler interception the Pats were -2 in turnovers. New England has made a living for almost 20 yearss by winning the turnover battle, avoiding mistakes, and playing good situational football while the losing team whined about how they were really better. Heading into the last drive, Brady had made two critical mistakes, the Pats were -2 on turnovers, and the defense played atrocious situational football to close the first half. If the 2nd down pass was incomplete and the Seahawks scored on third down and won, I certainly wouldnt argue that the better team lost the game.

I think overall the Pats had probably "run bad' by only having three titles after 2013. Now, they're probably around where they should be.
 

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I think overall the Pats had probably "run bad' by only having three titles after 2013. Now, they're probably around where they should be.
I agree. The Samuel drop, the helmet catch, the Welker drop, the Manningham catch, the circus catch + Butler int, and the 25 pt comeback. 2-2 in those 4 games seems what the result should be. You could argue that it could have been a bunch of different results, but 2-2 seems fair. I'm good with it.

Note: six plays, four games. I know.
 

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Yes, if you go often enough -- and God knows, they've been there a ton -- this stuff tends to even out. 2-2 seems right; in all 4 of the games losers' fans were pulling their hair out.

Recent history is a big turn away from mid 70s through early 90s, when SBs more often than not were routs.
 

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I half disagree. I wouldnt say the Pats got lucky to beat the Seahawks or anything, but until the Butler interception the Pats were -2 in turnovers. New England has made a living for almost 20 yearss by winning the turnover battle, avoiding mistakes, and playing good situational football while the losing team whined about how they were really better. Heading into the last drive, Brady had made two critical mistakes, the Pats were -2 on turnovers, and the defense played atrocious situational football to close the first half. If the 2nd down pass was incomplete and the Seahawks scored on third down and won, I certainly wouldnt argue that the better team lost the game.

I think overall the Pats had probably "run bad' by only having three titles after 2013. Now, they're probably around where they should be.
This is where I am. The Kearse Circus Catch never even happens if the Patriots don't start that drive on D by giving up a 31 yard wheel route to Lynch and put the Seahawks on the 50 with plenty of time (1:55).
 

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You guys crack me up. The Patriots were dominating a game that they were losing 24-14 with 8 minutes to go?

Yes, the Seahawks got lucky on the Kearse catch. On the flip side, they got supremely unlucky when Cliff Avril was concussed and suddenly the Seahawks pass rush was mortal.
 

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You guys crack me up. The Patriots were dominating a game that they were losing 24-14 with 8 minutes to go?

Yes, the Seahawks got lucky on the Kearse catch. On the flip side, they got supremely unlucky when Cliff Avril was concussed and suddenly the Seahawks pass rush was mortal.
Singular rather than plural? I think there is wide agreement here that Pete did not handle the end game well, BB did, and the Pats prepared meticulously for the game changing play.

"We were in first place more days than the Yankees" is not, in this case, figuratively accurate, and even if it were, the only thing that matters is who wins.
 

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I'm only half-surprised the league hasn't considered shortening the Super Bowl to three quarters.
 

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Yeah, we could go through the list of postseason losses where we were literally one ordinary-level-of-execution play from victory or extending the game, like that 2PC vs Denver or a half-dozen plays in the 2006 AFCCG, to say nothing of the 2011 SB loss. We've lost comprehensively a few times (2009 Ravens, 2010 Jets, 2005 Broncos, etc) but the coinflip moments in games that are on a knife-edge have gone against us as often as they've gone for us.

If the Kearse pass hits the ground incomplete, Seattle probably runs out of time or gets stopped on 4th somewhere between the 45 and the goal line.
They were on the 38, it was only first down, they had two time outs and 1:10 left, and they were picking up yards in chunks. They had just converted a third and 11 with relative ease. Saying they don't win without the Kearse catch is like saying the Patriots don't win without the Edelman catch this year. It was great but it was first down.

As for some of the other comments in the thread, I don't know if the Patriots were "lucky" to win. If you play in enough of these big games, a little of everything happens. The Patriots have played seven of them with Belichick and Brady and have won more than half of them despite good opponents and every game coming down to a play or two, because they have that experience and because they have made the big play more often than not. If they play seven more, more crazy shit would happen because the more you're in it the more opportunity there is for it. Maybe they are lucky to have won 5. Maybe unlucky not to have won 7.
 

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Beast Mode reportedly signs with the Raiders, now just waiting to see what the Seahawks will get in return for him. Bittersweet for this Seahawks fan. I guess at least I can still root for him in Oakland. If he'd gone to New England it would've been awful.