That means the stay for Jay-Z has a specific time limit.Dionysus said:I... what does that have to do with anything , Crasnick?
That means the stay for Jay-Z has a specific time limit.Dionysus said:I... what does that have to do with anything , Crasnick?
Shades of DiceK.AMS25 said:Mariners fans are so excited that they followed Cano's plane to the West Coast. Hate to see them disappointed.
E5 Yaz said:jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick
Jay-Z has a show at Honda Center in Anaheim at 8 p.m. Friday,
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
While attention on Cano publicly has been w/ #Yankees & #Mariners I still think they'll be 3rd team and will never count out either LA team
maufman said:
How much value do you think Cano places on the ability to test the market in his age 38, 39 and 40 seasons? I'm guessing the answer is "almost none."
If they're willing to go 7/175, I think they'll bite the bullet and go 10/210 to get the deal done.
Right, I was just about to post that maybe he was referencing that LAAA came out of nowhere to sign the biggest free agents the past two offseasons, Pujols and Hamilton.E5 Yaz said:
There is no way Angels can afford him. Not if they ever want to extend TroutComeback Kid said:Right, I was just about to post that maybe he was referencing that LAAA came out of nowhere to sign the biggest free agents the past two offseasons, Pujols and Hamilton.
And look how they've turned out.Comeback Kid said:I wouldn't rule it out in this climate. And Arte Moreno pushed for the Pujols and Hamilton signings.
They also have Kendrick at second and Freese at third. Not happening.Dionysus said:There is no way Angels can afford him. Not if they ever want to extend Trout
This is basically where I'm at. Is Cano worth a win/season more than Ellsbury over seven years? I'm pretty bullish on Ellsbury - I think his power is likely to return - but I think it's hard not to say yes to that question. So 7/188 isn't difficult to imagine when Ellsbury got 7/153-it's 5 million/year more. And from there it's a small jump to 8/200.StuckOnYouk said:I still can't imagine NY letting him walk if the final offer is 8/200. I still think they'd sign that push comes to shove.
ESPNNYYankees wallace matthews
Seattle Times reporting Cano plane landed at Boeing Field at 9:37 PM NY time. Bags on carousel 2
They haven't even begun yet. The plane just landed.Dionysus said:Does that mean the talk, for the evening, is over? It seemed past tense
I was reading way too much into that then. Hah.SemperFidelisSox said:They haven't even begun yet. The plane just landed.
I'll believe Cano is serious about the Mariners when Jay-Z drops his new single, "Tacoma State of Mind."
Choo?RedOctober3829 said:
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS52s
if cano goes to seattle (good chance now), yanks have $175M to spend. choo & infante candidates to take that $
Lowrielicious said:Choo?
Because what they really need is another poor defensive outfielder/DH type on big money.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/cano-dad-yankees-don-robbie-back-article-1.1539270#ixzz2mf7meJh0The Yankees insist they want Robinson Cano to remain part of their pinstriped family. The patriarch of Cano’s actual family isn’t convinced that’s the case.
"The Yankees don't seem to want him," Jose Cano told the Daily News when asked about his son’s status with the Yankees.
snowmanny said:This is basically where I'm at. Is Cano worth a win/season more than Ellsbury over seven years? I'm pretty bullish on Ellsbury - I think his power is likely to return - but I think it's hard not to say yes to that question. So 7/188 isn't difficult to imagine when Ellsbury got 7/153-it's 5 million/year more. And from there it's a small jump to 8/200.
RedOctober3829 said:"The Yankees don't seem to want him," Jose Cano told the Daily News when asked about his son’s status with the Yankees.
YouLookAdopted said:+Ellsbury -Cano = net loss for New York. Good for Seattle if they make this happen.
I disagree. Cano is a much more talented player. It's not that close either.JakeRae said:
Cano is Ellsbury without the two traumatic injuries. When healthy, they are equivalently talented players.
YouLookAdopted said:+Ellsbury -Cano = net loss for New York. Good for Seattle if they make this happen.
The income tax thing is overblown. What's the difference in endorsement value between being a Yankee and being a Mariner?RedOctober3829 said:
Good point re: Heyman. NY taxes vs. no income tax in WA
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS36s
Washington is one of 7 states with no state income tax. so that $225M may be worth $240M. (every little bit helps) #cano
JakeRae said:
Cano is Ellsbury without the two traumatic injuries. When healthy, they are equivalently talented players.
RedOctober3829 said:
Good point re: Heyman. NY taxes vs. no income tax in WA
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS36s
Washington is one of 7 states with no state income tax. so that $225M may be worth $240M. (every little bit helps) #cano
The endorsement value is also overblown. In this day and age, if you are a big enough star you will maximize your endorsement value.JakeRae said:The income tax thing is overblown. What's the difference in endorsement value between being a Yankee and being a Mariner?
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10086275/robinson-cano-meet-seattle-marinersIn the event Cano leaves, the Yankees are preparing to move forward on several other free agents while considering the possibility of opening the 2014 season with journeyman Kelly Johnson as their starting second baseman.
Sources familiar with the club's thinking told ESPNNewYork.com that the Yankees believe the Mariners are about to offer Cano a nine-year, $225 million contract -- well below Cano's reported demand of $310 million over 10 years but significantly higher than New York's offer in the range of $175 million over seven years.
"If that's what the [Mariners'] offe . r is, he's gone," said a source, who added that he believed Cano would go to the highest bidder and that the Yankees were determined not to go higher than seven years or $175 million for their team leader in batting average (.314), home runs (27) and RBIs (107) in 2013.
A spokesman for Cano's agent, Brodie Van Wagenen, declined comment on the ongoing negotiations, but hinted that a deal could be imminent.
"Let's just say I'll be on alert from here on in," he said
RedOctober3829 said:I disagree. Cano is a much more talented player. It's not that close either.
BoSox Rule said:Being a Yankee has probably hurt Cano as far as branding and "face of a franchise" has gone. He's been the best player on the team for God knows how long and it's still about Jeter, and until October, Rivera and then you have Sideshow Rodriguez.
RedOctober3829 said:I disagree. Cano is a much more talented player. It's not that close either.
JakeRae said:
We can agree to disagree. Ellsbury's season last year was in line with reasonable expectations for a healthy Ellsbury. That player is a 6 win player. If his power returns, he could be better than that.
Cano is a much better offensive player, but Ellsbury is a much better defensive player and a much better baserunner. Ellsbury has, by far, the best single season of the two. (Which was actually better offensively than any single season Cano has had.) They had similar overall value a year ago. The big difference is that Cano has been healthy for the last 4 years and Ellsbury has missed 2 of them. If you believe that means Cano is less of a health risk going forward, that makes him worth more. If you don't, he's really not.
RedOctober3829 said:The endorsement value is also overblown. In this day and age, if you are a big enough star you will maximize your endorsement value.
RedOctober3829 said:
Bob Nightengale @BNightengale29s
Cano's last request to #Yankees: 9 years, $252 million, and $28 million vesting option. #Mariners still shy of that. http://
Can I play too?StuckOnYouk said:
Yep
Last 4 years Cano has put up about a 29 WAR; Ellsbury has put up a 21 WAR for his six-year career.
Now I know Ellsbury has been banged up and that doesn't help, but it's probably not safe to assume that his 30-35 year old span will be much healthier for him than his 24-29 year old span. Maybe somewhat, but not much.
StuckOnYouk said:
Not only is health an issue for Ellsbury, but is it possible that his one monster year was a result of PEDs which he is likely off of now (if he was using).
RedOctober3829 said:@YankeesWFAN: Person close to Cano said he's upset with how much Ellsbury got compared to his offer. NYY not feeling optimistic but prepared to move on.
RedOctober3829 said:@YankeesWFAN: Person close to Cano said he's upset with how much Ellsbury got compared to his offer. NYY not feeling optimistic but prepared to move on.