Celtics Rotation and Trade Needs Conversation

benhogan

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It's not that PP's contract has a poison pill. All rookie scale extensions are governed by a provision that sometimes make it more difficult to trade the player. The rule, specifically, is this: "While rookie-scale extensions don’t include a trade restriction, they come with a poison pill. If Garland were traded, the Cavaliers would be credited with sending out his current salary for 2022-23 ($8.9 million), but an incoming team would need to account for his average salary over the life of the entire contract ($33.9 million). " So BOS would be sending out PP's $4+M salary (this year) but the incoming team would be counted as getting $7.5M. Obviously not that big of a deal with PP but with some other rookie contracts, that's a huge deal.

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/who-can-be-traded-and-when-after-an-extension/
Thanks. Good explanation.

With so many salaries getting shuffled in a Bulls rebuild I imagine that a $2-3MM uptick would be negligible. Something like the Garland example would take some CAP gymnastics

I'm guessing the PP extension would be seen as a positive asset.
 

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I wouldn't say a wing per se. More that finding a big wing would fit the team better in terms of versatility... if one big goes down, the big wing (like Grant) would just soak up the backup center moments.

Danilo Galinari last year pre-injury would probably have fit both wing and small 5.

That said, I think the most likely solution to a backup big is gonna be Griffin, so they might as well sit tight.
a 4/5 in the Gallinari mode, on the cheap, would help. A Muscala return? His first audition didn't go so well.

I'd like to see Brissett & Stevens audition for that role as scrappy bigger WINGS that will physically front/get under BIGS like Embiid
 

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I'm not sure why Brad would be using Assets to acquire a WING?

The Celtics have 2 All-NBA WINGs

+ 2 cusp All-Star Guards that can play up to WING

+ Hauser, who is basically Kyle Korver but with better defense.

Followed by situational WINGS that can play D or shoot in Brissett, Stevens, Svi Myk

A good, bench WING would hate playing for Boston since they would play so little. Which is why Grant was happy to move on.

Brad just needs to scour the KP/Al insurance market, while CJM gives Kornet consistent bench reps to see if he can be that player.
Having 5 Guard/WINGs you can count on isn't really a lot when you play 3 or 4 of them at a time.

It's fine having Brissett, Stevens, Svi as regular season options, but I wouldn't want to count on any of them stepping up in the playoffs if needed.

They need one more guy that's a non-big to flesh out that rotation depth.
 

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a 4/5 in the Gallinari mode, on the cheap, would help. A Muscala return? His first audition didn't go so well.
One other consideration, speaking of Muscala, might be looking for guys that have at least one more additional year that Brad might give up a first rounder or several second rounders for, who serves both as bench and off-season value for trades.
 

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Kelly Olynyk would be the perfect buyout guy after the trade deadline. Until then, I’m looking forward to seeing what Queta can do if KP, AL, or Kornet have to miss games. I think a live bodied bIG will find a lot of space to do damage rimrunning and rebounding misses for putback slams.
 

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Kelly Olynyk would be the perfect buyout guy after the trade deadline. Until then, I’m looking forward to seeing what Queta can do if KP, AL, or Kornet have to miss games. I think a live bodied bIG will find a lot of space to do damage rimrunning and rebounding misses for putback slams.
Not an option for them because they are above the second apron.
 

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Does Jevon Carter move the needle as a Pritchard upgrade if the Bulls blow it up? They seem similar on paper but Carter certainly has a lot more experience.

He should fit into the Grant TPE so could be had for not much, in theory. Not sure how the Bulls feel about him going forward but he more like a glue guy on a playoff team than a rebuilding point guard...
 

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How raw is the kid in Maine? Thought he was a defensive specialist. Why isn’t he with the big club? We play a lot of mop up minutes.
 

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I am not sure the Celtics need to upgrade the Hauser minutes but, by all means, please continue trying.
Yeah, it's quite hard to upgrade an extremely elite 3-point shooter who plays solid man and team defense. You're moving quickly into "let's upgrade better-defense Kyle Korver" territory, which....yeah.
 

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Having 5 Guard/WINGs you can count on isn't really a lot when you play 3 or 4 of them at a time.

It's fine having Brissett, Stevens, Svi as regular season options, but I wouldn't want to count on any of them stepping up in the playoffs if needed.

They need one more guy that's a non-big to flesh out that rotation depth.
would you do PP + filler + 2 Firsts for Caruso? I'm not sure that's even enough for AC, since Celtic Firsts will be so late.

pickings are slim for someone with a low salary, multiple years, possibly available, & add value

Yeah, it's quite hard to upgrade an extremely elite 3-point shooter who plays solid man and team defense. You're moving quickly into "let's upgrade better-defense Kyle Korver" territory, which....yeah.
Hauser's 3pt shooting is obvious, but the guy puts up a Tony Bennett positioning, footwork & hands high defense video nightly.
 

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How raw is the kid in Maine? Thought he was a defensive specialist. Why isn’t he with the big club? We play a lot of mop up minutes.
I don't expect him to be long with us. Teams drafting where we do in championship mode generally want to add a 4-yr type player who is physically ready to compete for backend rotation minutes. It's why I wanted Trayce in the first round. My guess is that Brad drafted a younger guy who he can maybe build some value in prior to the deadline to include in a deal for the type player that he didn't feel was available in the draft. 60% gone by deadline? More?
 

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I don't expect him to be long with us. Teams drafting where we do in championship mode generally want to add a 4-yr type player who is physically ready to compete for backend rotation minutes. It's why I wanted Trayce in the first round. My guess is that Brad drafted a younger guy who he can maybe build some value in prior to the deadline to include in a deal for the type player that he didn't feel was available in the draft. 60% gone by deadline? More?
I liked the idea of multiple cheap years from a coordinated, skilled, grown prospect like TJD

Brad creating a 6-18 month development program in Maine/at the Auerbach Center for 19yr-old 2nd rounders to extract trade value at the trade deadline would be next level.
 

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Yeah, it's quite hard to upgrade an extremely elite 3-point shooter who plays solid man and team defense. You're moving quickly into "let's upgrade better-defense Kyle Korver" territory, which....yeah.
If we (via all the trade ideas) or Brad can pull it off, you have to do it. Thing is, I am not sure that you can find a Hauser upgrade even without all of the C's constraints in terms of cap, playing time and overall fit. The teams that have those players tend to keep them and if dealt, they tend to command a decent return. Especially if they are on a similar contract to Hauser.
 

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It's almost like Hauser's got everyone under his skin.
It's kind of funny to watch, you'd expect him to foul more (ala Theis) but he's aware, strong, keeps his arms vertical, and anticipates quite well.

He'll never be described as a +defender but his style of defense is effective when surrounded by several lock-down defenders.

Bad defenders have a tendency to float, ball-watch, lose their men on the perimeter. Sam doesn't do that. Also seems like Celtic opponents have tossed aside the "Hunt Hauser" strategy.

Originally I thought he could only guard 2nd unit WINGS that weren't very organized but I'm interested in seeing him play more Q4 minutes, like last night.
 

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It's kind of funny to watch, you'd expect him to foul more (ala Theis) but he's aware, strong, keeps his arms vertical, and anticipates quite well.

He'll never be described as a +defender but his style of defense is effective when surrounded by several lock-down defenders.

Bad defenders have a tendency to float, ball-watch, lose their men on the perimeter. Sam doesn't do that. Also seems like Celtic opponents have tossed aside the "Hunt Hauser" strategy.

Originally I thought he could only guard 2nd unit WINGS that weren't very organized but I'm interested in seeing him play more Q4 minutes, like last night.
it has been sad to see the decline in the "I'm gonna destroy this white boy" offensive approach. kind of wrecking his defensive value by not attacking him. maybe he should start wearing rec specs or something.
 

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would you do PP + filler + 2 Firsts for Caruso? I'm not sure that's even enough for AC, since Celtic Firsts will be so late.

pickings are slim for someone with a low salary, multiple years, possibly available, & add value


Hauser's 3pt shooting is obvious, but the guy puts up a Tony Bennett positioning, footwork & hands high defense video nightly.
I don't think I'd give up two firsts, but it likely doesn't matter since I think a deal would be near impossible.

The Celtics would have to add three of their cheap guys(assuming Kornet isn't involved) to Pritchard to make the math work. This brings up many issues.

Issue one is the Bulls would have to waive/dump two guys, they currently have an open roster spot, to make the trade happen.
Issue two is the Bulls are barely under the tax, I can't imagine they'll want to go into it for this team.
Issue three is if they are willing to go into the tax, even if they were able to dump two guys instead of waiving them, the poison pill in Pritchards contract would have the Bulls taking back more than 110% which wouldn't be legal.

For the Bulls to do any Caruso trade with Boston, they'd probably have to move off of one of their huge salaries first while saving money.
 

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would you do PP + filler + 2 Firsts for Caruso? I'm not sure that's even enough for AC, since Celtic Firsts will be so late.

pickings are slim for someone with a low salary, multiple years, possibly available, & add value


Hauser's 3pt shooting is obvious, but the guy puts up a Tony Bennett positioning, footwork & hands high defense video nightly.
I just can’t imagine trading 2 1sts for Alex Caruso. It seems way too much on first blush……but you bring up a good point about the salary structure and his fit.
 

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I liked the idea of multiple cheap years from a coordinated, skilled, grown prospect like TJD

Brad creating a 6-18 month development program in Maine/at the Auerbach Center for 19yr-old 2nd rounders to extract trade value at the trade deadline would be next level.
Code name ‘Project Van Gundy’