I'm irrationally pumped to watch these two this season.Brown and Tatum, 7-11. They already have special handshakes.
Nothing irrational about it. Two talented studs, with more to come.I'm irrationally pumped to watch these two this season.
Yep, Nader might be a star in Europe, but a fringe player at best in the NBA. His turnovers were unacceptable.Really impressed with Jaylen's shooting. He looked great at the free throw line.
Nader has that Nick Young / Dion Waters irrational confidence. I didn't enjoy him being a black hole and taking away shots from Tatum.
Jackson competes and is athletic, but his skill level looks terrible.Jackson looked pretty rough
I love it. He was great.Awesome.
Neat that scouts say his footwork is "elite". Seems to be a different opinion in here
You "might be" wrong? You are wrong.I love it. He was great.
You can take what the announcers say with a grain of salt. They are full of positive analysis. How many scouts did these guys really talk to?
Regardless, Tatum was awesome. I might be wrong about the footwork. Especially since he's 6'8 showing up and unders from about 12 feet out. That double pivot on that move was legit.
When Kevin O'Connor was writing up the draft and suggesting it was a good year to trade down, he absolutely raved about Tatum's footwork.I love it. He was great.
You can take what the announcers say with a grain of salt. They are full of positive analysis. How many scouts did these guys really talk to?
Regardless, Tatum was awesome. I might be wrong about the footwork. Especially since he's 6'8 showing up and unders from about 12 feet out. That double pivot on that move was legit.
Maybe just these:You can take what the announcers say with a grain of salt. They are full of positive analysis. How many scouts did these guys really talk to?
http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/06/2017_nba_draft_scouting_report.htmlThe St. Louis native is the most polished scorer of the bunch, with stellar footwork,
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718041-everything-boston-celtics-fans-need-to-know-about-jayson-tatumMost teenagers don't have that type of deliberate focus, and it's obvious in Tatum's footwork that he spends a heap of time on his craft.
https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-jayson-tatum-duke-debate-552b94ebc7e6Tatum's footwork is advanced.
If you took every freshman prospect this century and graded them on their footwork at the same age, Tatum would rank in an extremely high percentile.
You mean the average 19 year old can't do this?Regardless, Tatum was awesome. I might be wrong about the footwork. Especially since he's 6'8 showing up and unders from about 12 feet out. That double pivot on that move was legit.
Terry Rozier weeps a silent tear.Are there any analyses out there to suggest whether any particular summer league stats have any predictive value? I suspect in general the answer is "not much", or at best they require some heavy recalibration, but curious whether there's anything worth watching for.
That was vicious. Goodness.Maybe just these:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jayson-Tatum-7249/
http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/06/2017_nba_draft_scouting_report.html
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718041-everything-boston-celtics-fans-need-to-know-about-jayson-tatum
https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-jayson-tatum-duke-debate-552b94ebc7e6
Magnum!Also of note, he used his left hand to drive and finish on the very first highlight in that video.
I have done work on this and yeah, there is useful data there. Basically watch for production which isn't related to role: blocks and rebounds for guards, assists and turnovers for bigs and wings. Steals are important for everyone.Are there any analyses out there to suggest whether any particular summer league stats have any predictive value? I suspect in general the answer is "not much", or at best they require some heavy recalibration, but curious whether there's anything worth watching for.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19805862/boston-celtics-jayson-tatum-outduels philadelphia-76ers-markelle-fultz-in summer-league-debutTatum's heroics helped him steal the spotlight Monday, but it was Brown who had maybe the most impressive outing. The Celtics had planned to pitch Brown on taking it easy this summer after a long rookie season that culminated with an elevated role in the Eastern Conference finals.
Instead, Brown stormed into Danny Ainge's office after the season and demanded to play in summer league. Brown wanted to use the summer to display the improvements in his game and show the rest of the league that he's ready to take a step forward this season.
Brown scored a game-high 29 points on 10-of-16 shooting. That's the most points he has scored in a game since high school -- which wasn't all that long ago for the second-year player who was drafted after one season at Cal.
Asked if he expects his minutes to be limited moving forward, Brown said he's at summer league to compete."No offense to Utah, but I don't want to do nothing else out here but play," said Brown. "I came here to play basketball."
Curious hat you mean about this. I mean there were definitely some holes is his game but he created his own shots; showed he could shoot over smaller defenders; made some good passes in transition, and, showed some finishing ability. He's not a finished product but he starts out from a good baseline.I want to point out that Fultz did not look good, despite what the commentators were saying on TV. Its like we were watching different games.
It's good getting Tatum and Zizic time with a real live NBA player but yeah, Jaylen has far outgrown summer league......this is a very good thing for us.Looking at the recap, Jaylen looks like a man among boys, which is what you'd expect from an NBA rotation player.
Not sure it's even worth giving him more Summer League run.
I thought Fultz looked good as well. Defensively he had 3 blocks, but also got worked in isolation on Tatum a number of times. Offensively he had a stretch in the 3rd Quarter where he was looking dominant, but then faded in the 4th, missing a number of shots.Curious hat you mean about this. I mean there were definitely some holes is his game but he created his own shots; showed he could shoot over smaller defenders; made some good passes in transition, and, showed some finishing ability. He's not a finished product but he starts out from a good baseline.
A rotational player is good at one skill. A starting caliber good at 2. Jaylen showed great range from way beyond the 3, dribble penetration as a creative scorer, and fantastic help defense at the end; all marked improvement from his Summer league last year. Give the guy his props.Looking at the recap, Jaylen looks like a man among boys, which is what you'd expect from an NBA rotation player.
Not sure it's even worth giving him more Summer League run.
I thought Fultz looked good at times as well but in part due to the horrible guard defense. Tatum is on another level. The one step put in is a masterpiece and such a pretty stroke with the Ray Allen swish finish. He did this while he was covered fairly well. That's good thing because his precision game is not going to blow by anyone in the NBA. He took way too many long 2s and showed he needs to expand his NBA range (he only made 1 corner 3).Nothing I saw made me wish we had him over Tatum though.
I'm not denigrating Brown -- the fact remains that any decent rotation player in the league will dominate the summer and g-leagues. Brown was getting to the hoop with almost no resistance. That's good to see from a skills perspective but NBA teams will be much better positioned to prevent penetration.A rotational player is good at one skill. A starting caliber good at 2. Jaylen showed great range from way beyond the 3, dribble penetration as a creative scorer, and fantastic help defense at the end; all marked improvement from his Summer league last year. Give the guy his props.
Jaylen switched on to Fultz a lot and to my eyes was the best one-on-one defender against Fultz. I know that is not saying a lot (Jackson was lit up; I don't remember Allen being matched up against Fultz much; and Bird only played 4 minutes) but I thought he showed a lot of energy and will on defense.A rotational player is good at one skill. A starting caliber good at 2. Jaylen showed great range from way beyond the 3, dribble penetration as a creative scorer, and fantastic help defense at the end; all marked improvement from his Summer league last year. Give the guy his props.
Jaylen definitely has to continue working on his ball handling. I'm glad they are looking for him to bring the ball up in transition.You can't really make anything out of summer league TO's either, so Jaylen's 7 doesn't mean much of anything.
On the other hand, I thought Tatum's handle looked very good, both bringing the ball up/in transition, and driving in the half court. Something I couldn't get a sense of from the scouting clips before the draft but saw a bit of last night. Uses his length to control the ball well.Jaylen definitely has to continue working on his ball handling. I'm glad they are looking for him to bring the ball up in transition.