Charles Lee to join the Celtics coaching staff

[HomeRunBaker]

I've never thought so much about assistant coaches in basketball. I doubt it makes much difference at all, with some historical exceptions for revolutionary minds.

Right but there may not have been another team in decades at so great of a disadvantage of not having a single front row experienced guy on the bench....including the head coach. Agreed on the impact of them but every single guy on our bench is as running blind.

 

[lovegtm]

I've never thought so much about assistant coaches in basketball. I doubt it makes much difference at all, with some historical exceptions for revolutionary minds.

I agree strongly, although in the Celtics' case, I think they were hurt more by the lack of assistants than which assistants in particular were there.

By analogy, food doesn't make much difference between teams, because everyone has food. But I'm guessing a team that limited caloric intake to 1000 calories a day would quickly run into difficulties...

EDIT: HRB beat me to it.

 

[benhogan]

I've never thought so much about assistant coaches in basketball. I doubt it makes much difference at all, with some historical exceptions for revolutionary minds.

I think you're right 90% of the time, but the Celtic's Coaching situation was unique this year:

Popular HC, off the NBA Finals, is mysteriously fired suspended with players questioning why? +
National NBA media PR blitz questioning St. IME's suspension? +
Joe is only 34yrs old +
He's a rookie NBA HC +
Joe has never been a lead Asst in the NBA +
He starts a day before training camp +
The previous lead asst leaves for HC job (no replacement found) +
Damon, next lead asst, leaves 2/3s into the season (no replacement found) +
All the rest of the Assts walk out the door days after the end of the season +
Those Assts primarily go to a shite team like the Rockets because they are loyal to IME +
The pressure of Championship favorites all season

Joe had no say on his staff and was thrust into an incredibly sticky situation. Finishing with the 2nd best record in the NBA and making it to G7 ECF is disappointing, but shouldn't be shocking, especially losing to a well-coached, super-hot Miami team.

Hogan's Silver Linings Coaching Post

 

[slamminsammya]

I think you're right 90% of the time, but the Celtic's Coaching situation was unique this year:

Popular HC, off the NBA Finals, is mysteriously fired suspended with players questioning why? +
National NBA media PR blitz questioning St. IME's suspension? +
Joe is only 34yrs old +
He's a rookie NBA HC +
Joe has never been a lead Asst in the NBA +
He starts a day before training camp +
The previous lead asst leaves for HC job (no replacement found) +
Damon, next lead asst, leaves 2/3s into the season (no replacement found) +
All the rest of the Assts walk out the door days after the end of the season +
Those Assts primarily go to a shite team like the Rockets because they are loyal to IME +
The pressure of Championship favorites all season

Joe had no say on his staff and was thrust into an incredibly sticky situation. Finishing with the 2nd best record in the NBA and making it to G7 ECF is disappointing, but shouldn't be shocking, especially losing to a well-coached, super-hot Miami team.

Hogan's Silver Linings Coaching Post

Yeah, and even with all that I'd put coaching fairly far down the list of reasons they underperformed.

 

[Auger34]

Yeah, and even with all that I'd put coaching fairly far down the list of reasons they underperformed.

It's really impossible to know how much or how little it contributed to the ending of the season.

 

[benhogan]

Yeah, and even with all that I'd put coaching fairly far down the list of reasons they underperformed.

Even his TO approach improved in the middle of the Miami series.

The G7 loss was on the players' decision-making, execution, and Tatum's injury IMO.

Emotionally, everyone (myself incl) was PO'd with the exit. BUT I think we all can agree that calls for Joe's head are misplaced.

They could run it back with the same players with a full staff and expect a better outcome.

 

[slamminsammya]

It's really impossible to know how much or how little it contributed to the ending of the season.

I'm curious to hear more. You don't think we can parse out what is bad player performance from what is bad coaching?

 

[Auger34]

I'm curious to hear more. You don't think we can parse out what is bad player performance from what is bad coaching?

No, I think it's incredibly hard to assign an exact value to coaching.

Obviously the vast majority of wins and losses has to do with the players, their execution and just shot making...but I do think coaching does factor in to performance. I just have no idea how that would be quantified

 

[slamminsammya]

No, I think it's incredibly hard to assign an exact value to coaching.

Obviously the vast majority of wins and losses has to do with the players, their execution and just shot making...but I do think coaching does factor in to performance. I just have no idea how that would be quantified

I agree it's a factor. I am not sure I understand this post thought - you on the one hand say "vast majority" is players and execution but also say we can't quantify coaching value. Isn't saying vast majority already a type of quantification?

 

[Auger34]

I agree it's a factor. I am not sure I understand this post thought - you on the one hand say "vast majority" is players and execution but also say we can't quantify coaching value. Isn't saying vast majority already a type of quantification?

True. I think it's something on the margins, so it's not a HUGE factor but I think in the playoffs a lot of these series are won on the margins. So, overall, I think it's a smaller reason for wins and losses but I am not sure how small (IE, is it a 5% thing? 1%? 10%?).

So I think it's impossible to know how much of it is of that smaller portion (I am guessing it can't be more than 10% but I don't even know that for sure)

 

[slamminsammya]

True. I think it's something on the margins, so it's not a HUGE factor but I think in the playoffs a lot of these series are won on the margins. So, overall, I think it's a smaller reason for wins and losses but I am not sure how small (IE, is it a 5% thing? 1%? 10%?).

So I think it's impossible to know how much of it is of that smaller portion (I am guessing it can't be more than 10% but I don't even know that for sure)

We are in alignment.

 

[benhogan]

True. I think it's something on the margins, so it's not a HUGE factor but I think in the playoffs a lot of these series are won on the margins. So, overall, I think it's a smaller reason for wins and losses but I am not sure how small (IE, is it a 5% thing? 1%? 10%?).

So I think it's impossible to know how much of it is of that smaller portion (I am guessing it can't be more than 10% but I don't even know that for sure)

I think Spoelstra's system, accretes a lot of value over the season(s). More than 20% compared to below average HCs

ALSO screw Heat culture BS (Pat Riley PR grab), that never REALLY existed until Spoelstra had the guts to punt an overpaid Dion Waiters stoned azz out of the starting rotation (eventually off the team) to play unheralded players. Erik should get the credit for that culture