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Orel Miraculous said:
UMass is a football school, there is no chance in hell that the C7 goes after them.
 
When he wrote...
 
"It is possible that the remaining members of the Big East (soon to be renamed - Great American Conference?) might try to add UMass"
 
...he was clearly referring to, you know, "the remaining members of the Big East (soon to be renamed)" and not the C7.
 

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mabrowndog said:
When he wrote...
 
"It is possible that the remaining members of the Big East (soon to be renamed - Great American Conference?) might try to add UMass"
 
...he was clearly referring to, you know, "the remaining members of the Big East (soon to be renamed)" and not the C7.
 
So he was.  I guess the rest of my post is irrelevant too.
 

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UConn is mostly likely going to get up to $25 million out of this arrangement, and then bounce to the ACC when the phone finally rings.
Since geography doesn't matter anymore, why isn't UCONN considered for the B1G?  The school profile seems to fit pretty closely
 

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Since geography doesn't matter anymore, why isn't UCONN considered for the B1G?  The school profile seems to fit pretty closely
When they added Rutgers and Maryland they decided they don't need anymore mediocre to poor football schools.
 

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As a Carolina fan and a hoops fan I really wish the ACC would just call UCONN.
With Calhoun, and his ways, gone, along with closer scrutiny on the program, I'm not convinced they'll be good going forward.  Not bad, mind you, just not good.  Standard bubble team.
 

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Dan Murfman said:
If UConn ever gets to the ACC it will because UNC and other teams are gone.
 
Or if ND ever came aboard as a football member.
 
Both scenarios are unlikely in the near term.
 

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Or if ND ever came aboard as a football member.
 
Both scenarios are unlikely in the near term.
Nope they wouldn't be the 16th team. Not with BC, Syracuse, Miami and FSU lobbying against them.
 

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Nope they wouldn't be the 16th team. Not with BC, Syracuse, Miami and FSU lobbying against them.
 
Years from now if ND joined I don't think anyone but BC would really work up all that much emotion to "lobby" against UConn. 
 
To the extent that happened a few months ago (and I think aside from BC it was rather overblown) it was due to specific conditions on the ground at that time.
 

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With Calhoun, and his ways, gone, along with closer scrutiny on the program, I'm not convinced they'll be good going forward.  Not bad, mind you, just not good.  Standard bubble team.
Have you watched Kevin Olllie this year? the guy is rightly in the BE COY conversation. In fact, if we had held on to that 2 OT game against G-Town the other day he may be leading the pack.
 
Soon Duke and Syracuse will begin the trek that UConn is going through now and regardless of their name recognition it won't be easy to stay on the same level they have been considering how successful both Coach K and Boeheim have been. You don't just replace Hall of Fame coaches and stay the course.
 
There were a lot of worries about Ollie but Calhoun fought for him tooth and nail to get the job and he has done incredibly well all things considered. We've seen him coach a team that was regarded as a lower tier team this year and he has overachieved. The only thing that appears to be a stumbling block for him and UConn is the ramnifications of conference realigment and how much that will cloud the recruiting trail. I don't think that has as much impact in hoops as it does football as long as you schedule a strong OOC schedule but we shall see.
 

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If McDermott stays, and they can make it all happen next year, it would certainly be worth bringing Creighton in to start the new Big East (potential PoY, and all). For travel purposes, then, if not actual divisions, they have five or six CST and five or six EST.
 
They could schedule road trips with DePaul/Marquette, Creighton/St. Louis, Butler/Xavier?/Dayton?, Villanova/Georgetown, St. John's/Seton Hall, Providence/Siena.
 
 
The schools left a lot of money on the table, and kind of got forced into this, but what's resulting may have some logic. Even if they aren't religious about only accepting only Catholic schools.
 

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Have you watched Kevin Olllie this year? the guy is rightly in the BE COY conversation. In fact, if we had held on to that 2 OT game against G-Town the other day he may be leading the pack.
 
Soon Duke and Syracuse will begin the trek that UConn is going through now and regardless of their name recognition it won't be easy to stay on the same level they have been considering how successful both Coach K and Boeheim have been. You don't just replace Hall of Fame coaches and stay the course.
 
There were a lot of worries about Ollie but Calhoun fought for him tooth and nail to get the job and he has done incredibly well all things considered. We've seen him coach a team that was regarded as a lower tier team this year and he has overachieved. The only thing that appears to be a stumbling block for him and UConn is the ramnifications of conference realigment and how much that will cloud the recruiting trail. I don't think that has as much impact in hoops as it does football as long as you schedule a strong OOC schedule but we shall see.
What am I supposed to see when I watch him?  Aggressive sideline pacing?  
 
UConn first made the final four in 1999.  1999!  Little more than a decade ago!
 
Duke first made the final four in 1963, and was a national power long before Coach K got there.  UNC made the final four decades before that, and they've been fine since Dean left.  
 
We shall see.  
 

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StuckOnYouk said:
 Soon Duke and Syracuse will begin the trek that UConn is going through now and regardless of their name recognition it won't be easy to stay on the same level they have been considering how successful both Coach K and Boeheim have been. You don't just replace Hall of Fame coaches and stay the course.
 
Bull fucking shit. Neither one of them is ever going to retire, let alone die. And even if they do, Duke & SU are going to prop their corpses up on slanted display platforms next to the scorer's tables, just like Lenin's tomb.
 

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What am I supposed to see when I watch him?  Aggressive sideline pacing?  
 
UConn first made the final four in 1999.  1999!  Little more than a decade ago!
 
Duke first made the final four in 1963, and was a national power long before Coach K got there.  UNC made the final four decades before that, and they've been fine since Dean left.  
 
We shall see.  
 
UConn made their first NCAA tournament appearance in 1951 -- four years before Duke did.
 
Hence the Huskies were trend-setters while the Blue Devils were merely "Me Too!!" johnny-come-latelys. 
 

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Have you watched Kevin Olllie this year? the guy is rightly in the BE COY conversation. In fact, if we had held on to that 2 OT game against G-Town the other day he may be leading the pack.
 
Soon Duke and Syracuse will begin the trek that UConn is going through now and regardless of their name recognition it won't be easy to stay on the same level they have been considering how successful both Coach K and Boeheim have been. You don't just replace Hall of Fame coaches and stay the course.
 
There were a lot of worries about Ollie but Calhoun fought for him tooth and nail to get the job and he has done incredibly well all things considered. We've seen him coach a team that was regarded as a lower tier team this year and he has overachieved. The only thing that appears to be a stumbling block for him and UConn is the ramnifications of conference realigment and how much that will cloud the recruiting trail. I don't think that has as much impact in hoops as it does football as long as you schedule a strong OOC schedule but we shall see.
 
As long as money is still green, UConn will still be able to recruit.  Just like all the other big-name hoops programs, whether they're in a major football conference or not.
 

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Duke first made the final four in 1963, and was a national power long before Coach K got there.  UNC made the final four decades before that, and they've been fine since Dean left.  
Are you unfamiliar with the days of the NIT?  When it was on par with, if not considered superior to, the NCAA tournament? If you are, I encourage you to check out the 1971 tournament. There was a notable game between two national powers from North Carolina. A guy named Melchionni played for Duke that year, and they earned their way into the top 20, before dropping as a result of their NIT loss. They were in the NIT because notable basketball power, South Carolina, won the ACC bid to the NCAA.
 
You don't have to back up the statement that Duke was known for a strong basketball program before K. But if you are going to do so, you might want to make it a convincing argument.
 

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What am I supposed to see when I watch him?  Aggressive sideline pacing?  
 
UConn first made the final four in 1999.  1999!  Little more than a decade ago!
 
Duke first made the final four in 1963, and was a national power long before Coach K got there.  UNC made the final four decades before that, and they've been fine since Dean left.  
 
We shall see.  
No kid cares about what Duke did in 1963. Everyone associates Coach K with Duke. Just like everyone associates UConn with Calhoun. In the heads of 17 year old kids, UConn and Duke are both popular brand names. The question is how do you bridge it to the next coach. People don't go to Duke so they can get the "Duke Experience", they go there because of Coach K.
 
tell me how UCLA is doing because you know that John wooden guy was awesome so they must be still winning championships now because they're UCLA. Oh you mean once he left they dipped? You don't say.
 
So far Ollie has done a hell of a job squeezing a lot of results out of a team that had nothing to play for and lost what 4 of their 5 starts to the NBA or transfers to other schools. and he was a basket away the other night from getting his 20th win and being a game out of 1st place in the BE...as well as what would have been the 3rd upset over a top 10 team.
 
So yeah, who the next coach is to replace a legend is kind of important. That's my point. UConn is going through their transition now and all things considered, it's been a great start to Ollie's coaching career.
 
Anyway, I've gone off on a tangent as this is a CR thread. Hopefully soon we get to join our BE powers in the ACC and whoop up on Duke again like old times.
 

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As a UConn fan, I'm happy with Ollie and feel good about the future of the hoops program in that regard. I fear that unless they eventually get to the ACC or by miracle, some other big conference, football will be the anchor that sinks the basketball ship. I enjoy the football and attending games at the Rent, and I'd miss that to a degree if they dropped football. But if dropping football got them back with the C7 for all other sports, I'd be fine with that.

Wait and hope. That's pretty much all we've got. And hope that there's one more turn of the ridiculous forces that helped put Uconn into this situation (not without some of their own fault) ultimately provides the opportunity to get back in the major conference game.
 

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Blauds also mentions Tulsa, who SMU_Sox and I discussed earlier. USA Today reports the Golden Hurricane is the Soon-To-Be-Something-Other-Than-The-Big-East's #1 expansion target, but that a TV deal needs to be in place first:
 
"Tulsa is the best draft pick left on the board," the person said.
If the Big East decides it wants a 12-team lineup, Tulsa makes sense on several fronts. Though it is the smallest school by enrollment in the Football Bowl Subdivision (3,200 undergraduates), it sits in a decent television market (59th in the Nielsen DMA rankings) and has been the most consistently successful football program in Conference USA since joining that league in 2005. Tulsa finished 10-3 last season, won the conference title and defeated Iowa State in the Liberty Bowl.
 
It also has a solid history in basketball, though is currently in an NCAA Tournament drought stretching back to 2003.
 
One issue for Tulsa is that it currently does not have an athletic director. Ross Parmley was fired in early December after his named surfaced in an FBI investigation into an alleged sports gambling ring in Oklahoma City. Parmley had initially told the school he was questioned only about a family connection but later admitted he had gambled on sports, violating NCAA rules.
 
Because Tulsa responded quickly upon learning of Parmley's gambling, it appears unlikely the school would be hit with major sanctions.
 
School president Steadman Upham made it clear to the Tulsa World in December the school would prefer to get out of C-USA and re-join SMU and Tulane – smaller private schools with similar academic prestige – in the Big East.
 
With Houston, SMU, Memphis, Central Florida, Tulane and East Carolina migrating to the Big East over the next two years, C-USA has backfilled with eight public schools, four of which are moving from the Sun Belt.
 
"I also want to be in a conference that we can be proud of academically," Upham told the newspaper. "Losing two of the private shools in Conference USA is damaging to me, in the way I think about the conference. Whether that forces us to take an action, I can't speculate. For one thing, it's not our call. We have to have an invitation."
 
SB Nation reports Southern Mississippi has also been approached by the future Great American Conference.
 

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Meanwhile the Mountain West will stay at 12 teams:
 
The Mountain West might not have three ranked teams every year, and the league is still tied to an outdated television contract until at least 2016, though the renegotiated right to shop certain games to other networks should help.
 
But with the smaller conferences to divide up to $86 million in annual playoff money starting in 2014-15, it pays to be No. 6 -- the next tray to be filled after the SEC and Co. make their way through the lunch line.
 
The Mountain West, at least on paper, has positioned itself for that spot. The league can get where it needs to be with 12 teams, [New Mexico president Robert] Frank said.
 
The Mountain West has talked to a handful of Texas schools in recent months (UTEP, SMU, Houston), but there are no immediate plans to add. SMU and Houston appear committed to the Big East. Tulsa and the Mountain West have not been talking about a partnership.
 
“I think 12 is a good number,” Frank said. “I spoke with [men's basketball coach Steve Alford] today, and he thought 12 is a strong number. Many more than that would become difficult for scheduling.”
 
The Big East is also eyeing that No. 6 spot despite a brutal five-month stretch of defections.
 
Also, some more news from C-USA...
 
Old Dominion's football team almost certainly will be declared eligible for the Conference USA title in 2014 - a year earlier than expected - league commissioner Britton Banowsky said.
 
That would come as welcome relief to record-setting quarterback Taylor Heinicke and 22 other rising juniors on ODU's roster who will be seniors in 2014.
 
"I think Old Dominion should and will be eligible for the title for the simple reason that if they're playing a conference schedule and if they put themselves in a position to compete for the championship, they should be able to play for the championship," Banowsky said.
 
Because ODU is moving from the Football Championship Subdivision to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the school will play as an FCS independent this fall and is ineligible for the postseason. ODU plays a C-USA schedule in 2014, but the Monarchs are not eligible for a bowl until 2015 and weren't expecting to be ineligible for the C-USA title, either.
 
However, when the league's athletic directors gather Tuesday and Wednesday for meetings in Miami, they likely will vote to make ODU eligible for the conference title.
 
The NCAA regulates bowl eligibility, and ODU could play in one only if not enough teams qualify otherwise.
 
"Playing in the Conference USA championship game, that would be our bowl game," said athletic director Wood Selig.
 
Selig said Middle Tennessee State and Florida Atlantic, now in the Sun Belt, will join C-USA on July 1, a year earlier than anticipated. That means for next season at least, C-USA will be a 16-team league, with ODU and UNC Charlotte playing in most sports other than football. Charlotte will begin playing C-USA football in 2015.
 
C-USA is split into two divisions for football, and the championship game is held at the campus site of the higher-seeded divisional champion. Banowsky said he hopes to continue divisional play and hold a championship game in 2014.
 
The championship game winner receives an automatic bid to the Liberty Bowl in Memphis. Banowsky said C-USA will communicate with officials from the Liberty Bowl and the four other bowls with agreements with the league before the season to let them know that ODU might be ineligible in 2014.
 
Selig said he expects the Big Ten, ACC and other leagues to continue to expand over the next two years and acknowledges that could cause major change.
 
"My fear is that the Big Ten starts up again and goes to 16," he said. "You have to ask: Where are they pulling from and where do those who lose teams go to replace them? It seems like the Pac-12 and Big 12 seem to be satisfied. But all of the other I-A conferences seem to be volatile."
 
Wilder said that once expansion plans are set for Foreman Field and ODU officially becomes an FBS team in 2014, the Monarchs' own conference possibilities could change. He said the size of the Hampton Roads media market and the school's large fan base could make ODU a target of other conferences.
 
"Whenever the dust settles on all of this conference realignment and we are officially an FBS program, we become very attractive to a number of conferences," he said.
 
Selig said ODU remains committed to C-USA. He said he's hopeful that rather than lose schools to the Big East, that C-USA can attract back some of the schools that have left, including Houston and Central Florida.
 

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regarding the last post, I think Conference USA got a real coup by landing MTSU and Louisiana Tech for basketball. MTSU has been good for a few years now and Louisiana Tech seems to be getting good again. As far as the Mountain West goes, they need to stay at 12 teams. It's a solid league with New Mexico, UNLV, San Diego State, Colorado State and Boise State all going to the Tournament this year and Utah State next year will provide another NCAA-caliber program. Nevada will eventually get it together again. However, this needs to be it. You don't want to get oversaturated, as I feel the WCC may get since they're now adding Pacific, which takes their total to 10. I doubt they'll stop there.
 

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Well this should soften the blow for UConn for a bit: UConn, Cincy, and USF to get $30 million each from the C7 split.
 
The cash was an accumulation of exit fees and NCAA tournament “units,” a payout of nearly $250,000 for each NCAA tournament game the conference plays. The “units” are usually pooled up and divided amongst all the league members, but since UConn, South Florida and Cincinnati are the only members staying put, the payout becomes significantly larger.
The deal with the Catholic Seven will be finalized and announced Wednesday, Blaudschun said.
According to his report, the seven basketball schools — forming their own new conference in July, 2013 and reportedly taking the Big East name with them — hoped to receive between $3-5 million each as part of the buyout. Blaudschun reports that they’ll take half of that.
The sale of the Big East name was not included in Blaudschun’s story.
A Big East spokesperson said there was “no set date” for the three schools to receive the money. If UConn receives the $30 million and bolts for a new conference, it’s unclear if it would keep the full amount. A Big East spokesperson declined comment on that specific scenario.
 

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Looks like the New BIg East is going to play hardball with Notre Dame. If they want to leave early they have to pay...the NBE told them they could leave without $ penalty if they scheduled some OOC's in football but ND doesn't have the room.
 
 
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9022342/notre-dame-fighting-irish-join-acc-summer-school-negotiate-big-east-exit-according-sources
 
 
 "Nobody's going to let Notre Dame just leave," a Big East source said. "It needs to be negotiated."
 

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I have a question: with the Catholic 7 now becoming the Big East, is the remainder of the old Big East and the teams they're adding getting an automatic bid to the Tournament? If so, that would make 32. Would the NCAA dare to cut an at-large bid?
 

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The "old" Big East would maintain its existing bid provided it met requirements for minimum number of teams. The C7, as a newly formed conference despite its acquisition of the Big East name, would have to apply to the NCAA for an automatic bid.
 

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mabrowndog said:
The "old" Big East would maintain its existing bid provided it met requirements for minimum number of teams. The C7, as a newly formed conference despite its acquisition of the Big East name, would have to apply to the NCAA for an automatic bid.
I saw on a show this week that for the first time since moving to 64 teams they will be reducing the at-large bids to give the C7 an auto bid.  If you remember, they added an auto bid when they moved the field to 65 and did not subtract an at-large team.
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
I saw on a show this week that for the first time since moving to 64 teams they will be reducing the at-large bids to give the C7 an auto bid.  If you remember, they added an auto bid when they moved the field to 65 and did not subtract an at-large team.
Don't get me started on that. I always felt they should have cut an at-large bid back then. Instead, we EXPANDED.
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
I saw on a show this week that for the first time since moving to 64 teams they will be reducing the at-large bids to give the C7 an auto bid.  If you remember, they added an auto bid when they moved the field to 65 and did not subtract an at-large team.
 
True, but the NCAA might not have to do that. The WAC is in jeopardy of losing their bid, as 8 teams will depart after this season. That will leave Seattle and New Mexico State to welcome 3 new teams (Cal-Bakersfield, Utah Valley and Grand Canyon). GC is a D-II school that will be ineligible for the conference title or for an NCAA bid. I can't see a 5-team conference with one of its teams ineligible for postseason play being granted an autobid.
 

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mabrowndog said:
True, but the NCAA might not have to do that. The WAC is in jeopardy of losing their bid, as 8 teams will depart after this season. That will leave Seattle and New Mexico State to welcome 3 new teams (Cal-Bakersfield, Utah Valley and Grand Canyon). GC is a D-II school that will be ineligible for the conference title or for an NCAA bid. I can't see a 5-team conference with one of its teams ineligible for postseason play being granted an autobid.
Actually, this is untrue. Idaho is staying for one more year before departing for the WAC on July 1, 2014. Additionally, the WAC is not only adding Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield and Grand Canyon, but are also adding Chicago State,  Texas-Pan American and UMKC on July 1, 2013. That means the WAC will have 8 teams eligible for the conference tournament next year, so the WAC's auto bid is safe.
 

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StuckOnYouk said:
I did mean the old big east, my bad. I need this new conference to get a name already!
The Catholic 7(or new conference, as you called it) has retained the Big East name.
 

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The Catholic 7(or new conference, as you called it) has retained the Big East name.
Believe me as a UConn alum Youk knows that. He is saying the conference that UConn is in needs a new name
 

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lupojohn said:
Actually, this is untrue. Idaho is staying for one more year before departing for the WAC on July 1, 2014. Additionally, the WAC is not only adding Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield and Grand Canyon, but are also adding Chicago State,  Texas-Pan American and UMKC on July 1, 2013. That means the WAC will have 8 teams eligible for the conference tournament next year, so the WAC's auto bid is safe.
 
I totally missed the boat on all three of those announcements. Thanks for the heads-up.
 

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According to ESPN.com, a source says that the new name for the old Big East teams and the ones joining them will be called the ''America 12''.
 

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According to ESPN.com, a source says that the new name for the old Big East teams and the ones joining them will be called the ''America 12''.
 
The way this whole thing is going, the "America 12" will be inviting the University of Toronto to join.
 

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I don't really understand why there going so quickly in making a new name. The conference won't change until July 1st. THEY can leave it probably until May, do some testing to see what kind of name would work best.

They could even sell the name to some company like All-State or Nationwide.

Edit- any new conference name with a number in it would be terrible by default
 

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Well. I guess as long as they don't expand to outside the Western Hemisphere no one can charge the America 12 with being geographically incorrect. So there's that. 
 
Seriously though, I wonder if the same firm that came up with the Fox Sports 1 logo (place a '1' on the regular Fox Sports logo), "Leaders" and "Legends" and the B1G logo came up with that name. That's the way you do it, money for nothing and the chicks for free.
 

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Seriously though, I wonder if the same firm that came up with the Fox Sports 1 logo (place a '1' on the regular Fox Sports logo), "Leaders" and "Legends" and the B1G logo came up with that name. That's the way you do it, money for nothing and the chicks for free.
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Some commenter at espn.com said that the America 12's divisions can be called "First To Go" and "Leaving Next."