Am I crazy, or am I getting a shorter, lefty Vladimir Guerrero vibe from that swing?I think he'll handle the down and in fastballs just fine.
Am I crazy, or am I getting a shorter, lefty Vladimir Guerrero vibe from that swing?I think he'll handle the down and in fastballs just fine.
Only 20% of his BIP have been pulled thoughHope to see him abuse the short RF fence in NY
Mostly because Devers has had only 17 inside strikes out of 166 pitches in the majors so far. Pitchers have worked him low and outside, and he has shown that he can handle those pitches with authority.Only 20% of his BIP have been pulled though
Bit premature.so, uh, extension this offseason to buy some FA years? If we can afford Panda and Hanley, surely we can afford some risks like that, no?
Tony GwynnAm I crazy, or am I getting a shorter, lefty Vladimir Guerrero vibe from that swing?
Maybe. But Gwynn seems more hunched over. And I didn't get to see a lot of Gwynn in his day, but there's someone that swing really, really reminds me of from somewhere in the 2000's era. Someone I'd have seen a lot of while watching the Sox.Tony Gwynn
Good point. I dont expect that changes much in YS3 and may lead to a reverse shift. At least 3 of his opp field extra base hits at Fenway are outs in YS3Mostly because Devers has had only 17 inside strikes out of 166 pitches in the majors so far. Pitchers have worked him low and outside, and he has shown that he can handle those pitches with authority.
Oh, Cano looks like much closer. Not sure if that was who I was thinking of, but I think that memory is so distorted now I'll never know.Robbie Cano's front half with John Olerud's finish is what I see so far.
I think what you're seeing with the comparison with Vlad is the pure two handed swing. Especially the quickness and keeping that top hand locked in. I noticed it as well.Oh, Cano looks like much closer. Not sure if that was who I was thinking of, but I think that memory is so distorted now I'll never know.
But for reference:
That looks pretty damn close. That swing is sexy, however you want to put it.
This is my favorite post in a while because even though it's only 2 words it adds substance.Holy shit
I'd guess deflection back off the pitcher.How did he get an infield single on the ball in the lefthand batter's box?
He beat the shift.How did he get an infield single on the ball in the lefthand batter's box?
Baltimore chop, ball went straight up in the air , high enough for him to beat it out. Never seen that, but it's physically possible.How did he get an infield single on the ball in the lefthand batter's box?
He's that good.How did he get an infield single on the ball in the lefthand batter's box?
I can't articulate it, but I think you nailed it with the pure two handed swing. I think there's more, but I'd just embarrass myself trying to articulate it.I think what you're seeing with the comparison with Vlad is the pure two handed swing. Especially the quickness and keeping that top hand locked in. I noticed it as well.
Let alone our positional need/continuous black hole.In the entirely too early to tell but fun to discuss category, what is Dever's trade value through the eyes of a Sox fan right now? Purely 1-1 trade who are we giving him up for?
Considering how young he is and how many years of control Sox have, all through the prime years. I think the list is pretty small right now.
But chart shows where ball ended up no? If it ended up there without being touched it's foul. I think a ricochet off pitcher or bad data is more likely.Baltimore chop, ball went straight up in the air , high enough for him to beat it out. Never seen that, but it's physically possible.
This was implied in Speier's article yesterday interviewing NL scouts about which prospect they'd rather have, Devers or Moncada. He said the White Sox wanted both, but that DD held the line at just Moncada.I always wonder if Moncada was demanded in the Sale trade by the White Sox or if DD just said, "Moncada for Sale".
Was there any internal scouting that figured Devers may have a higher floor than Moncada (perhaps less of a ceiling)..... Was Devers ever part of that deal that got nixed and Moncada subbed in by the other team?
Not to derail but I still wonder something similar about the Adrian Gonzalez- Rizzo deal. Did San Diego demand Rizzo over Lars Anderson or did SD ever ask for Lars Anderson (way more hyped at the time 1B prospect) and Theo held firm and they reluctantly agreed to Rizzo.
That would be quite a ricochet. Maybe off a shoe/cleat though.But chart shows where ball ended up no? If it ended up there without being touched it's foul. I think a ricochet off pitcher or bad data is more likely.
Perhaps it was a popup that was muffed and kicked back toward the plate, clipping a fielder en route.That would be quite a ricochet. Maybe off a shoe/cleat though.
I don't think it was a stretch that Devers had the higher floor given he could already field his position adequately and had a lower k-rate and better hit tool (according to scouting rather than performance). That ceiling gap sure seems to be shrinking in the early going.I always wonder if Moncada was demanded in the Sale trade by the White Sox or if DD just said, "Moncada for Sale".
Was there any internal scouting that figured Devers may have a higher floor than Moncada (perhaps less of a ceiling)..... Was Devers ever part of that deal that got nixed and Moncada subbed in by the other team?
That was the first thing I saw, then the two triples to shallow Left Field and one to shallow Right!?!?!How did he get an infield single on the ball in the lefthand batter's box?
Probably an outfielder terribly misplaying the ball in a way that can't be ruled an error.That was the first thing I saw, then the two triples to shallow Left Field and one to shallow Right!?!?!
I'm not sure how minor league spray charts are even generated.Don't spray charts show where the ball hits or where it was fielded (in the case of an out)? For example, if there is a drive than an outfielder comes in on but misses and it rolls past him for a triple, the cahrt shows where the fielder dove for the catch. Similarly, if a ball deflects off an infielder, doesn't it show where that happened and not where the ball ended up?
Hand over fistI'm not sure how minor league spray charts are even generated.
Given the need at 3rd, I'd say, Arenado. I'd take Bryant, too. That's about it.In the entirely too early to tell but fun to discuss category, what is Dever's trade value through the eyes of a Sox fan right now? Purely 1-1 trade who are we giving him up for?
Considering how young he is and how many years of control Sox have, all through the prime years. I think the list is pretty small right now.
His control will run out before he ever reaches his "prime years."In the entirely too early to tell but fun to discuss category, what is Dever's trade value through the eyes of a Sox fan right now? Purely 1-1 trade who are we giving him up for?
Considering how young he is and how many years of control Sox have, all through the prime years. I think the list is pretty small right now.
Thank you for posting this. Man I miss watching Vlad play baseball. Best bad ball hitter I've ever seen and the bat just seemed like a toothpick in his hands.Maybe. But Gwynn seems more hunched over. And I didn't get to see a lot of Gwynn in his day, but there's someone that swing really, really reminds me of from somewhere in the 2000's era. Someone I'd have seen a lot of while watching the Sox.
Edit: I dunno, I think it might be Vlad. Just a smaller mirror image:
Far too small a sample size to say, but he does have 5 strikeouts in his last 3 games over 13 PA. He wasn't going to hit .400 all year and a slump is inevitable but I think he'll adjust more smoothly than JBJ and Xander. I think his 2018 will be a lot like Ben10's 2017.2 for his last 12. So have they figured out how to pitch him and does he adjust?
12 ABs? Are you serious? Don't suck. It's the cardinal rule.2 for his last 12. So have they figured out how to pitch him and does he adjust?
Not to defend the initial post quality, but are you saying there are no discrete changes in approach or outcomes in those 12 ABs compared to the previous 12? It's a SSS but also a full third of his total MLB sample, and just because there's no predictive value or conclusion to draw doesn't mean there's no story to tell. Or put another way, do you think John Farrell and Chili Davis are refusing to analyze those 12 ABs?12 ABs? Are you serious? Don't suck. It's the cardinal rule.