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I have zero problem with Mahomes, other than the sideline dance routine. He's a phenomenal player. I won't root for the Chiefs due to the Brady record thing. But I don't find him "insufferable".
This is me. It's all about the Pats and Brady records. If Baltimore and Lamar were going for their third SB and Harbaugh had Reid's win totals, I'd be rooting hard for the Chiefs this weekend.

Petty, probably, but it is what it is.
 

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People hating Mahomes are out of their minds with insanity or jealousy or both. Everything they say is EXACTLY what people used to say about Brady and the Pats. Some self awareness is in order.

It is also funny that so many people on this board are like, "The games stink, the offenses are terrible, this product is unwatchable" and then Mahomes does some wizardry and goes to 6 straight championship games and people are like, "I don't like the way he behaves, plus drunk driving is bad and Tyreek Hill was on the team 3 years ago and I am not a fan of 1989 (Taylor's Version) too."
Sometimes it concerns me how similar our brains work.
 

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Sometimes it concerns me how similar our brains work.
You will not find a bigger fan of Tom Brady than me. Maybe as big but there is no bigger. But Patrick Mahomes doing amazing things does not in any way diminish Tom Brady. What Tom Brad could do is something only a handful of people could ever do in the history of the NFL. Patrick Mahomes is in that handful of people. And that is ok, the other team lives in mansions too.
 

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I also have to note that Diggs allowing a potential 80 yard TD pass to go right through his hands untouched, despite his insistence on being the number 1 WR and all his weird antics over the last summer, is a REALLY awful look.
Diggs is starting to develop a fork sticking out of his back, I was thinking to myself he probably would've caught that last year and there's no way he misses it 2 years ago....Buffalo needs to get a new #1 WR.
 

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Diggs is starting to develop a fork sticking out of his back, I was thinking to myself he probably would've caught that last year and there's no way he misses it 2 years ago....Buffalo needs to get a new #1 WR.
Mike Evans would be an amazing addition for them. Huge upgrade on Gabe Davis and would open things up for this diminished version of Diggs. They have some cap things to work out though.
 

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If I didn’t find Travis Kelce annoying, the way the Taylor thing has been covered has been just good entertainment outside of the first or second week where it felt like the entire broadcast. It’s all in good fun.
 

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Sometimes it concerns me how similar our brains work.
Also, the Patriots literally employed a murderer who might have murdered quite a lot of people. We will never know because that murderer killed himself in prison.

Every team has some shit. Pointing to Reid's son is wild considering his son is in jail for his transgression and poor decision making.
 

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People hating Mahomes are out of their minds with insanity or jealousy or both. Everything they say is EXACTLY what people used to say about Brady and the Pats. Some self awareness is in order.

It is also funny that so many people on this board are like, "The games stink, the offenses are terrible, this product is unwatchable" and then Mahomes does some wizardry and goes to 6 straight championship games and people are like, "I don't like the way he behaves, plus drunk driving is bad and Tyreek Hill was on the team 3 years ago and I am not a fan of 1989 (Taylor's Version) too."
Wait a second.

Who’s not a fan of 1989?
 

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Mike Evans would be an amazing addition for them. Huge upgrade on Gabe Davis and would open things up for this diminished version of Diggs. They have some cap things to work out though.
Ehhh. I saw Mike Evans drop plenty of passes this year. He'll be 31 on opening day next year.
 

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This is just made up. There is no Tay Tay nonsense. She's not on the field, she's not playing, they aren't even speaking with her. They show her in the luxury box, cheering. They do the same with Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft.

Taylor Swift is literally in the top 3 of most famous musicians in the world today. She might even be number 1. You think the NFL is going to pass up on showing her at the games, cheering? That is a pretty naïve view considering the NFL is insanely publicity and money focused.
Yeah, I know who she is. I know what team and player she is now incessantly associated with, and I'm allowed to be tired of it. So, no, not made up.
 

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Ehhh. I saw Mike Evans drop plenty of passes this year. He'll be 31 on opening day next year.
He had 7 drops this year. Definitely a decent amount but he also had 1250 yards and 13 TDs. The last time a Patriot had that many yards was 2012. The last time someone had 13 TDs or more was 2011. Needless to say, Evans would be a DRASTIC improvement from what the Pats are throwing out there.
 

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He had 7 drops this year. Definitely a decent amount but he also had 1250 yards and 13 TDs. The last time a Patriot had that many yards was 2012. The last time someone had 13 TDs or more was 2011. Needless to say, Evans would be a DRASTIC improvement from what the Pats are throwing out there.
Agree with everything you wrote. But we were talking about his fit on the Bills. Evans is the same age as Diggs. Diggs had 8 drops on 160 targets. Evans had 7 on 136. Very similar %. Evans is more of a deep ball threat than Diggs but I'm not sure that swapping them provides significant marginal improvement.
 

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Also, the Patriots literally employed a murderer who might have murdered quite a lot of people. We will never know because that murderer killed himself in prison.

Every team has some shit. Pointing to Reid's son is wild considering his son is in jail for his transgression and poor decision making.
Now you're making shit up. They did not knowingly "employ a murderer', unless you're counting the few days between him being arrested, and the team cutting him.
 

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People hating Mahomes are out of their minds with insanity or jealousy or both. Everything they say is EXACTLY what people used to say about Brady and the Pats. Some self awareness is in order.

It is also funny that so many people on this board are like, "The games stink, the offenses are terrible, this product is unwatchable" and then Mahomes does some wizardry and goes to 6 straight championship games and people are like, "I don't like the way he behaves, plus drunk driving is bad and Tyreek Hill was on the team 3 years ago and I am not a fan of 1989 (Taylor's Version) too."
to be fair, the production on 1989 (Taylor's Version) is a huge downgrade.
 

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There was nothing to ask. They threw incomplete on 2nd and 3rd down. You can question passing on 2nd down. Once it hit 3rd down, they were where they were. It's not like they intentionally ended up on the right hash. That's not something they should have been thinking about on 1st down IMO.
Of course there are questions. "Did you give any thought to which hash you preferred kicking from given Bass' first half kicks and if so why didn't you try to get to the left hash before kicking?" or "Did you notice Bass pushing his kicks right in the first half?"
 

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Every team has some shit. Pointing to Reid's son is wild considering his son is in jail for his transgression and poor decision making.
I'm pointing to Reid's son because he got drunk at the facility. Andy Reid and the Chief's organization allowed this to happen and therefore, imo, are partly responsible. Britt Reid is obviously the primary person responsible and is rightly being punished. I'm not saying Andy Reid should be in jail but I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to understand that some might not approve of his actions.
I guess it's ok to dislike a coach because he whines to refs but you shouldn't fault them for allowing employees to drive home from work drunk? OK, yeah let's just go with drunk driving is bad.


And yes, I also do find Harbaugh annoying. Similar to Mahomes who I find annoying. Doesn't mean I don't think Mahomes is a superb QB and Harbaugh one of the better coaches. I personally just enjoying watching Lamar more.
 

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Wait a second.

Who’s not a fan of 1989?
My daughter plays it nonstop and wears an article of clothing or a piece of jewelry with her name on it pretty much everyday. So no, I'm not a fan. I'm sick of it.

Her friends' group chat is called "The Swifties." Please kill me.
 

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Of course there are questions. "Did you give any thought to which hash you preferred kicking from given Bass' first half kicks and if so why didn't you try to get to the left hash before kicking?" or "Did you notice Bass pushing his kicks right in the first half?"
"Once we faced 2nd and long, we were throwing the ball. On first down, that wasn't part of our thinking. We weren't playing for a field goal, we were playing for a touchdown."

I'm as anti-McDermott as anyone, but blaming him for which hash the FG ended up on is wayyyyyy low on the list of things I'd ask him about last night.
 

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Same here. It's very weird. Especially when it's about a pretty likeable QB and team. I'll never understand the brain of a Patriots fan.
As a 49ers fan I also do not understand.

Teams will win Super Bowls, teams will win championships. Rooting against a very likeable team just because of number of Lombardis does not make much sense to me. I mean I hated that Dallas won so many SuperBowls in the 90s but it was not because they matched the 9ers at 5, it was because they won them by elimintating the 9ers most of the time.
 

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My daughter plays it nonstop and wears an article of clothing or a piece of jewelry with her name on it pretty much everyday. So no, I'm not a fan. I'm sick of it.

Her friends' group chat is called "The Swifties." Please kill me.
There could be so many worse things she could be into.

My daughter loves her stuff. We bought her a Bose CD player so she can play it in her room and so I don't have to hear it all the time. Win win for all.
 

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I'm pointing to Reid's son because he got drunk at the facility. Andy Reid and the organization allowed this to happen and therefore, imo, are partly responsible. Britt Reid is obviously the primary person responsible and is rightly being punished. I'm not saying Andy Reid should be in jail but I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to understand that some might not approve of his actions.
I guess it's ok to dislike a coach because he whines to refs but you shouldn't fault them for allowing employees to drive home from work drunk?
OK, sure. KC fucked up. Let's stipulate to that. What the hell does that have anything to do with rooting for Mahomes because he's a great and arguably generational player? Should everyone have to hope he loses because the KC organization did a stupid thing regarding an assistant coach?
 

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There could be so many worse things she could be into.

My daughter loves her stuff. We bought her a Bose CD player so she can play it in her room and so I don't have to hear it all the time. Win win for all.
You're smart than me. We have Alexas everywhere and she plays it on all of them.
 

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OK, sure. KC fucked up. Let's stipulate to that. What the hell does that have anything to do with rooting for Mahomes because he's a great and arguably generational player? Should everyone have to hope he loses because the KC organization did a stupid thing regarding an assistant coach?
Didn't say everyone. Was merely responding to why I don't find the Chief's in general likeable and how you found it weird that anyone could not be rooting for them. I don't hate the Chiefs but don't find them particularly likeable either and will not be rooting for them Sunday.
 

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I know I'm in the minority here in a Pats-centric forum but, to me, this really seems like trying very hard to find things to hate about them. I'm no KC fan, so I'm not sticking up for my team. They haven't employed Hill for a couple of years. Baltimore has a much worse track record when it comes to employing assholes, even after their assholeness becomes obvious and public. Every team has employed a shithead at some point in the recent past. The NFL is full of assholes. If Mahomes didn't show emotion when he lost people would criticize him for not giving enough of a shit. Read through the game threads and you'll see tons of posts criticizing the refs and the calls, but when Mahomes gets upset about a call that actually affected him personally that makes him insufferable?

I get it. Lots of people's primary concern is Brady's legacy.
My distaste got Patrick has zero to do with Brady, Taylor, commercials etc. Of course he’s allowed to be mad at a call but having to be held back from what, going to punch the ref or whatever the fuck he intended to do? Bitching to Allen instead of swallowing it and saying “good game” to a guy who has a hard time beating you?? Continuing to bitch in his press conference about a call that was CORRECT?? Sorry, can’t stand him anymore. He’s a great qb no doubt, but I want him to lose.
 

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Why does fandom have to be rational in terms of who you root for or against? I think anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Patrick Mahomes is an amazing football player is being silly. Of course he is, he is going to finish his career as one of the small handful of best players ever at the position. I also don't think there is anything wrong with not wanting him to end up with as many Lombardis as Brady. It is as good (or bad) as any reason to root for or against a team other than the team you are primarily a fan of.
 

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Why does fandom have to be rational in terms of who you root for or against? I think anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Patrick Mahomes is an amazing football player is being silly. Of course he is, he is going to finish his career as one of the small handful of best players ever at the position. I also don't think there is anything wrong with not wanting him to end up with as many Lombardis as Brady. It is as good (or bad) as any reason to root for or against a team other than the team you are primarily a fan of.
Per the bolded, I hope in expressing my dislike for the Chiefs, I never begrudged his phenomenal ability. I would literally advocate the patriots trading anything or anyone to start over with him.
 

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Yeah, I know who she is. I know what team and player she is now incessantly associated with, and I'm allowed to be tired of it. So, no, not made up.
I think I’d be more tired of it if she was clearly leaning into it by being on the sideline, getting interviewed by the pregame shows etc. But as far as I can see she just goes to the game.

I’m sure people got tired of when they used to cut to Gisele in the suite.
 

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I think I’d be more tired of it if she was clearly leaning into it by being on the sideline, getting interviewed by the pregame shows etc. But as far as I can see she just goes to the game.

I’m sure people got tired of when they used to cut to Gisele in the suite.
Taylor was apparently extremely generous in terms of tips to the suite staff when she came to the game at Gillette earlier this year. Really, she's been a great GF/fan for all of this.
 

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Also Taylor Swift might be the most famous person in the world right now, and if not she's right up there. She's also an amazing entertainer (I went to her concert at Gillette last year, I'm not a super-fan of her music but the concert was amazing) and seems to be a very solid person as well. Football fans are going to watch the games regardless, the networks are getting non-football fan eyeballs on the broadcast because of her. You can't fault her for going to the games to watch her boyfriend play, and you really can't fault the networks for showing her.

That said, I can understand TS fatigue and wanting the Chiefs to lose next week so her storyline isn't front and center at the Super Bowl (which it undoubtedly will be if the Chiefs win next week).
 

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I think I’d be more tired of it if she was clearly leaning into it by being on the sideline, getting interviewed by the pregame shows etc. But as far as I can see she just goes to the game.
Yes, can't really blame her here. She doesn't seem to be actively looking for the attention. Not much she can do about it.
 

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I don't really care who the broadcast shows during the dead time between plays (unless a replay is warranted due to a close or exciting play). A 10 second clip of a pop icon is no different than when they showed clips of Giselle back in the day, and Swift is much easier on the eyes than a wealthy team owner. Kelce probably has at most one season left anyway (assuming he doesn't retire after the playoffs), and is a future Hall of Famer, so may as well take advantage of the moment.

The first time the Ravens won the Super Bowl, we had to endure multiple shots of the odious Art Modell, so, yes, it can get a lot worse.
 

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"Once we faced 2nd and long, we were throwing the ball. On first down, that wasn't part of our thinking. We weren't playing for a field goal, we were playing for a touchdown."

I'm as anti-McDermott as anyone, but blaming him for which hash the FG ended up on is wayyyyyy low on the list of things I'd ask him about last night.
I'll tell you who would have been on the hash mark that really successful guy who coached the Pats for nearly a quarter century.

Why would you want to set up your kicker for success anyway??? Glad to know you'd let it slide though.

View: https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1749265917735829701
 

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Yes, can't really blame her here. She doesn't seem to be actively looking for the attention. Not much she can do about it.
I'm pretty sure she knows what she's doing, in terms of getting attention for going to the games.

But she's an entertainer. Entertainers are publicity focused and they should be. Nothing Taylor is doing is odd or out of line. She is walking into a stadium and rooting on the Chiefs. It's cool and kind of funny, tbh. But there is no doubt she knows exactly what she is doing by going to NFL games.
 

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I'll be rooting for Baltimore over the Chiefs for sure. Part of it is KC fatigue. Also, I don't understand the Harbaugh hate. Is it because he (correctly) pointed out that the Patriots were using the ineligible number scheme for deception? I feel like he was 100% right about that. Is it Deflategate? Is it the fact that for some reason the Pats had a hard time beating his teams? Seems like a good coach.
 

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I'll tell you who would have been on the hash mark that really successful guy who coached the Pats for nearly a quarter century.

Why would you want to set up your kicker for success anyway??? Glad to know you'd let it slide though.

View: https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1749265917735829701
This is ironic given that Ryland was dogshit from the right hash this year and missed multiple kicks from that spot and at the end of the Giants game the Pats did not try to get to the last hash for the game tying kick. So naturally Ryland missed the kick and the Pats lost 10-7.
 

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I'll be rooting for Baltimore over the Chiefs for sure. Part of it is KC fatigue. Also, I don't understand the Harbaugh hate. Is it because he (correctly) pointed out that the Patriots were using the ineligible number scheme for deception? I feel like he was 100% right about that. Is it Deflategate? Is it the fact that for some reason the Pats had a hard time beating his teams? Seems like a good coach.
What? He whined about it. The Pats didn't do anything wrong in that game except confuse his players. They had told the refs before the game and the refs handled that situation just fine. '34 IS INELIGIBLE, DO NOT COVER 34" over the stadium loudspeakers. And the Ravens covered him anyway.

And after that game he was so mad about the strategy he told the Colts the Pats were deflating balls. Harbaugh sucks.
 

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I'll be rooting for Baltimore over the Chiefs for sure. Part of it is KC fatigue. Also, I don't understand the Harbaugh hate. Is it because he (correctly) pointed out that the Patriots were using the ineligible number scheme for deception? I feel like he was 100% right about that. Is it Deflategate? Is it the fact that for some reason the Pats had a hard time beating his teams? Seems like a good coach.
They were obviously using it for deception, but they didn't do anything illegal, right? Harbaugh was whining about wanting time to sub or react when the officials were literally telling the Ravens and the world that 34 was ineligible, don't cover him. The Ravens did so anyway.
 

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I'll be rooting for Baltimore over the Chiefs for sure. Part of it is KC fatigue. Also, I don't understand the Harbaugh hate. Is it because he (correctly) pointed out that the Patriots were using the ineligible number scheme for deception? I feel like he was 100% right about that. Is it Deflategate? Is it the fact that for some reason the Pats had a hard time beating his teams? Seems like a good coach.
Can you expand on the bolded? I always thought he was pissed and had sour grapes because Ernie and the Pats found a legal formation and play that he wasn't ready for.

Edit: Beaten to it above.
 

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They were obviously using it for deception, but they didn't do anything illegal, right? Harbaugh was whining about wanting time to sub or react when the officials were literally telling the Ravens and the world that 34 was ineligible, don't cover him. The Ravens did so anyway.
I don't recall if the Pats were subbing in that scheme. I do recall Harbaugh saying after the game "WE'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN FOOTBALL HISTORY" and it turned out a college team had been using that scheme earlier that very year.
 

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What? He whined about it. The Pats didn't do anything wrong in that game except confuse his players. They had told the refs before the game and the refs handled that situation just fine. '34 IS INELIGIBLE, DO NOT COVER 34" over the stadium loudspeakers. And the Ravens covered him anyway.

And after that game he was so mad about the strategy he told the Colts the Pats were deflating balls. Harbaugh sucks.
The Pats didn't do anything illegal in the game. But they definitely abused the rule. The only reason for the rule is to let the owners be as cheap as possible, not to have any effect on the playing of the game. That's why it was quickly recognized as abuse after the game and nearly immediately fixed.

It's similar to how in the old days, they didn't have well-defined substitution rules. So offenses would just send 10 guys out and then have the 11th step off the sideline into the field just before the snap and then throw him a wide-open TD pass. It was legal at the time, but definitely an abuse of the what is intended by rule.
 

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Can you expand on the bolded? I always thought he was pissed and had sour grapes because Ernie and the Pats found a legal formation and play that he wasn't ready for.
Harbaugh got pantsed that day. Both with the ineligible receiver scheme and with the double pass which they got totally burned on. Blew 2 separate 14 point leads.

He ought to feel shame forever.
 

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I don't recall if the Pats were subbing in that scheme. I do recall Harbaugh saying after the game "WE'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN FOOTBALL HISTORY" and it turned out a college team had been using that scheme earlier that very year.
It's impossible to change a players numerical eligibility in college (either to make them eligible or ineligible). It's not the same.
 

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The Pats didn't do anything illegal in the game. But they definitely abused the rule. The only reason for the rule is to let the owners be as cheap as possible, not to have any effect on the playing of the game. That's why it was quickly recognized as abuse after the game and nearly immediately fixed.

It's similar to how in the old days, they didn't have well-defined substitution rules. So offenses would just send 10 guys out and then have the 11th step off the sideline into the field just before the snap and then throw him a wide-open TD pass. It was legal at the time, but definitely an abuse of the what is intended by rule.
What?

Abused the rule? Absolutely not.

When the ref gets on the speaker system and tells the defensive team DO NOT COVER 34, well you lose all chance at arguing that your team was treated unfairly.
 

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I'll tell you who would have been on the hash mark that really successful guy who coached the Pats for nearly a quarter century.

Why would you want to set up your kicker for success anyway??? Glad to know you'd let it slide though.

View: https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1749265917735829701
What would you have done instead? Run it on 3rd down and concede a chance of a TD? If you say run on 2nd down then fine I’d have probably been good with that too, I hated the deep shots. If you say run it left on first down, sorry, you simply aren’t trying to set up a FG try in that situation.

Also, rewind to Pats Giants this year. Ryland having similar wide right issues. Missed from 37 the week before against Indy. Pats facing 3rd and 8 from the right hash. What did the Pats call? Left to right end around that ends with the ball on the right hash. Ryland then missed.
 

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They were obviously using it for deception, but they didn't do anything illegal, right? Harbaugh was whining about wanting time to sub or react when the officials were literally telling the Ravens and the world that 34 was ineligible, don't cover him. The Ravens did so anyway.
Also after the Pats ran one or two plays that way he could have, you know, had his players adjust to what was going on. The Pats continued doing it on a 2nd drive and Harbaugh STILL didn't do anything to adjust.

So he got outcoached and embarrassed on the big stage and then whined about the fact that the Pats did nothing wrong or illegal. In other words he refused to take any accountability for his coaching failure in that moment and instead chose to focus on the big, mean Patriots being unfair, and then he initiated Deflategate in retaliation.

Fuck him. He's a douchebag.