A lot of people lamented losing Colin Miller, but given how things turned out for the teams that played the jump-through-hoops game to try and keep certain players, I’m pretty glad the Bruins just chalked up that Miller was going to be a loss and moved on from it, rather than doing the dance and giving up more assets and looking like idiots in the end.Exactly right cshea. I mean we weren't thrilled about losing Colin Miller but a team of 20 Colin Miller types doesn't sniff the playoffs.
It’s also not fair or smart business to have a team suck for the first 5-10 years of its existence l, especially when it is trying to build up a fan base, doubly so in a non-traditional market. No teams should have been gutted or significantly impacted by this process. If they were, that’s just poor GMing.Teams got to protect significantly fewer players than in the previous expansion (Minn/CBJ), creating the situation where the GM's panicked. Not fair to the fans. But the owners are the culprit of course, that's a fair point.
Florida was dumb, granted. CBJ probably even dumber.
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Cshea with a great post as always
Why not? They should experience failure before they experience success. It is healthier for long term success. They'll end up being spoiled.It’s also not fair or smart business to have a team suck for the first 5-10 years of its existence l, especially when it is trying to build up a fan base, doubly so in a non-traditional market. No teams should have been gutted or significantly impacted by this process. If they were, that’s just poor GMing.
Who gives a shit? That argument is like the old one that a freshman can’t win the Heisman because he’s a freshman. The strategy worked quite well for Atlanta, Nashville, and Columbus. One moved, one was sold, and the other still hasn’t gotten out of the first round. What about taking 10-15 years to achieve stability is good for the team, the fans, or the league?Why not? They should experience failure before they experience success. It is healthier for long term success. They'll end up being spoiled.
Seriously. I can't believe people are bothered by this. It's a great story. It's fun. Sports are fun.Who gives a shit? That argument is like the old one that a freshman can’t win the Heisman because he’s a freshman. The strategy worked quite well for Atlanta, Nashville, and Columbus. One moved, one was sold, and the other still hasn’t gotten out of the first round. What about taking 10-15 years to achieve stability is good for the team, the fans, or the league?
Edit: Listening to the crowd lose its shit right now. This story cannot be anything but objectively good news for the NHL.
Yes, let’s have them suck and turn into another Arizona. That’ll be great!Why not? They should experience failure before they experience success. It is healthier for long term success. They'll end up being spoiled.
It's funny, there is a segment of the sports fan population that can never embrace a team that wasn't around before they started watching sports. They degrade them as "expansion teams" even if they've been in the league for 30 years. I have several family members and acquaintances that think this way and I never got it.Yes, let’s have them suck and turn into another Arizona. That’ll be great!
Nothing but good can come of VGK success.
I went to San Jose for game 4 last series. They got some real salty fans up there.I can see fans of recent expansion teams that didn't get a good expansion deal or teams with glorious pasts that have been down on their luck for the past quarter to half century (Leafs, Habs, Oilers) or perennial contenders that haven't gotten over the hump (Sharks, Caps, Preds) being annoyed by Vegas winning.
Why should anybody care about how they feel? The loss of these absurdly petty fans, because that is what this is, would be significantly outweighed by the gain of new Vegas fans, which occurs because they don't have to watch a top line of Geoff Sanderson, Epsen Knutsen, and Steve Heinze while Lyle Odelein is your 1D and career backups Ron Tugnutt and Marc Denis man the pipes in the first year of existence.I can see fans of recent expansion teams that didn't get a good expansion deal or teams with glorious pasts that have been down on their luck for the past quarter to half century (Leafs, Habs, Oilers) or perennial contenders that haven't gotten over the hump (Sharks, Caps, Preds) being annoyed by Vegas winning.
Oh I don't necessarily care about their feelings (especially Habs fans of course!) - just pointing out human natureWhy should anybody care about how they feel? The loss of these absurdly petty fans, because that is what this is, would be significantly outweighed by the gain of new Vegas fans, which occurs because they don't have to watch a top line of Geoff Sanderson, Epsen Knutsen, and Steve Heinze while Lyle Odelein is your 1D and career backups Ron Tugnutt and Marc Denis man the pipes in the first year of existence.
If I'm a MN pro hockey fan, Id be pissed.I can see fans of recent expansion teams that didn't get a good expansion deal or teams with glorious pasts that have been down on their luck for the past quarter to half century (Leafs, Habs, Oilers) or perennial contenders that haven't gotten over the hump (Sharks, Caps, Preds) being annoyed by Vegas winning.
No matter how you frame it, it’s still stupid.VGK being competitive is good, i'm not arguing that, just too good too fast, at the expense of fairness.
Right but the hockey game expanded, the ticketing revenue expanded, and general inflation, and therefore you can't compare the fees. But we still play with 18 skaters and 2 goalies, and the Wild had a smaller expansion draft of players.The Wild paid $80 million. The Knights paid $500 million.
They have had 18 years to figure it out.
They live in the city. They should be emotionally invested because of that. My parents knew absolutely nothing about baseball or football when I became a Red Sox and Patriots fan, and the success (or lack thereof) at that time (no playoff appearances in 7 years) of either team wasn't a factor to me becoming a fan.People are only willing to cheer for a loser if they’re emotionally invested in them. You think people would willingly be Rex Sox fans pre-04, or Jets fans, or Leafs fans if there wasn’t some emotional attachment there (which is normally created either through success, or because it’s who your parents cheered for - which isn’t possible for expansion)?
I want Vegas to win the Cup this year. It’s a good story, they’re a fun team, and it’s good for the NHL.
Different sport, but Cleveland Browns fans say hello.If I'm a MN pro hockey fan, Id be pissed.
First your team leaves (for a non-traditional hockey city) then they win the Cup on a controversial goal. You get a new team, they can't get over the hump.....................
Thanks, should have checked my facts first. How could I have forgotten the Bruins passed on Brian Bellows for Gord Kluzak and he pumped life into the No Stars.North Stars lost to Mario and the Penguins in 91.
Edit: Quick double check of that shows they lost in 81 too.
But your greater point remains true.
Speaking ill of Steve Heinze immediately invalidates your opinions.Why should anybody care about how they feel? The loss of these absurdly petty fans, because that is what this is, would be significantly outweighed by the gain of new Vegas fans, which occurs because they don't have to watch a top line of Geoff Sanderson, Epsen Knutsen, and Steve Heinze while Lyle Odelein is your 1D and career backups Ron Tugnutt and Marc Denis man the pipes in the first year of existence.
Hakan Loob.Whose name is funnier: Espen Knutsen or Ron Tugnutt?
Pierre?FYI all, I am stuck in the Milwaukee airport, so I am probably just going to randomly post with no reference to the actual game for the next 3 hours.
Nice pull, but not an option. Also, I think that one is in the Tugnutt category. Very funny, but too sophomoric to have staying power.Hakan Loob.
My gate attendant played for Saskatoon in the WHL.Pierre?
The fact that this game is tied is miraculous. Caps are far superiorTampa looks awful