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Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by jsinger121, Dec 15, 2016.
Yeah, but is it more probable than not that he was generally aware?
He refused the breath test, so nobody had the BAC until the blood came back. You should have kinda had a clue though, being passed out without the car being even in Park. This dude was hammered.
Yeah, I don't think the BAC level changes things.
We all knew he was passed out behind the wheel. I'm assuming the Patriots knew as well.
He won't be cut. There is no new 'news' here since before they put the claim in for him. Bill saying he didn't know the BAC is irrelevant (he probably doesn't know his middle name either). He will get a chance to prove himself as a player in practice, if he shows the right things (learn the playbook, practice hard, and most importantly demonstrate ability as a deep threat) he will get playing time in games. And so on
Bill (in whom we trust) must really think this guy is worth it. Otherwise why deal with all the distractions? Bill doesn't like distractions.
Yeah I'm guessing that Bill answering the BAC question truthfully as opposed to telling the guy to FOAD is one of those rare times where he decided answering probably makes things a little easier on the team in the press, even though the distinction wasn't material to their decision.
Yeah, the four press conference questions really hurt prep time this week.
This situation takes me back to last Monday night. Ironically, it's presumably the same day the Floyd claim was put in. Tedy Bruschi and Randy Moss were on set on Monday Night Coutdown. Bruschi was asked how they reacted to Randy's past(and Dillion) as it pertained to the locker room. Tedy said that they looked at it as having a clean slate and that they didn't care what happened outside these doors in the past. All that mattered to them is that Moss came to work every day and did his job. I would think that they are handling Floyd the same way.
Another team this might be a distraction, for this team it's just another brief interview question or 2. If he provides value let it rip, if he sucks in practice he'll be gone. Would be amazing for Floyd to be the WR in the playoffs that catches fire and the defense can't account for opening up the RB and TE sets.
Floyd pleads guilty, sentenced to 120 days, but 96 of those will be under house arrest.
Seems like he'd easily be done with all this come training camp time. I assume they can transfer the alcohol screenings to MA from AZ.
Guy just feels like a good system fit and probably won't cost very much.
I love Floyd's talent. While I think less of him for his crimes, that disdain is tempered by my sympathy for people with addiction issues. I'd like to see him as a healthy, successful Patriot.
That said, WR doesn't seem like a position of need for NE, either at the top end or as depth. I think he could add more to another team.
That, that said, if the fit is right and it benefits all, sign him, IMO.
edit: @k-factory how did I not notice your avatar until just now? Nice.
The league will hand down a suspension, so it's not quite accurate to say his problems will be behind him by training camp, even if you believe he will remain on the straight and narrow going forward.
It's his first under the CBA (his previous was in college). It should be one game.
As to depth and his fit, unless Amendola takes getting cut and coming back on a cheap deal, he's gone. Barring relying on a draft pick or expecting Lucien to make a jump, they currently have three WRs unless we want to see Slater running go routes again.
He brings a unique skill set and physicality that I don't think we've really seen from a Pats WR since Givens. He will be cheap and most likely willing for a one year deal. And he seemed to pick up the offense somewhat quickly.
(Let's also not forget that Edelman is a constant injury concern. He takes a ton of hits and could go the Welker route pretty quickly.)
Does the formula for substance abuse offenses apply when the player is convicted of a crime? I'm fine with a one-game suspension, but I'm surprised that's all Floyd is going to get for an incident that resulted in actual jail time.
I'm seeing conflicting things searching further. Articles before the new CBA came out say one game, but Shiloh Keo got two for his first offense this past season. So let's assume two. He didn't do jail time, but pled guilty and did a years probation and license suspended for 180 days.
Add in Matt Patricia's sartorial skilz, and we're looking at a 19 game suspension if we sign him.
They do need another WR with Amendola likely gone, but I think it should be someone else in that mold, who can back up Edelman if need be. Floyd doesn't give you that.
I think there's room for both. There's a high chance that they won't be carrying 3 QBs next year and other positions will change as to how many roster spots they take up. Barring that, I think if Edelman goes down, Hogan could move into a reasonable facsimile or even Lewis could split out wide.
Based on the inactives in the playoffs when everyone was healthy, it's pretty clear there is not room for both.
Having a guy who can credibly backup Edelman - be it Amendola, or someone else - is a much bigger game day roster need than Floyd – who is behind Hogan and Mitchell (at least) on the depth chart outside.
Hogan is not a "reasonable facsimile" of Edelman, in any way. Aside from some very superficial similarities, they are very different players with very different skill sets.
Floyd is not going to be "4th-5th WR" cheap; he's going to want something closer to his previous salaries and/or playing time. The Patriots cannot provide either. And since the Patriots DO need someone behind Edelman, that $ and PT is going to go to Amendola or someone very similar to Edelman/Amendola in skillset. The Clemson WR whose name escapes me right now? That's a guy you could see filling the backup Edelman role.
Floyd, aside from his other issues, is not a good schematic fit. Also, he presumably doesn't play special teams, so there is even less use for him on the game day roster.
With all the relative luck the Pats had with health in their WR corps this year, it would be wise to try to keep the core in tact:
WR 1 - Edelman
WR 2 - Hogan
WR 3 - Mitchell
WR 4 - Amendola/Floyd
WR 5 - Floyd/Amendola/Slater
You have to figure that Edelman & Amendola will miss games this year. I do agree that there's a need for a capable backup for Edelman's unique role in the slot.. if that doesn't end up being Amendola, I wonder if someone like Robert Woods would be available on the cheap?
Maybe this is the year that Brandon Bolden is forced to give up his roster spot to make room for an "extra" WR
Obviously all 5 WR can't be active at the same time. But given Floyd's suspension, and the injury history of Dola and Edelman, I wonder if they do have room to keep all 5 guys on the roster and kind of manage the snaps of everyone. Give Edelman and Dola games off here and there. Mitchell missed time this year as well due to injury.
I think I'd pass on Floyd. He has a suspension coming. If he wasn't thought to be good enough to start the Super Bowl over guys already on the roster I'm not sure we need the juggling roster situation with a guy who has character and prima donna red flags. Especially when we might get a comp pick. Bill has had him around for six weeks so obviously has better info but that's my thought from the outside looking in.
If Amendola is not back (I think he will be) and even if he is, what about a guy like Thelin?
There's plenty of room to carry a fifth WR and the roster composition next season will not be identical to what it was this season. Easy spot - Brandon Bolden is a FA. If they don't bring him back, his ST replacement can easily be a WR capable of playing slot, be it a vet or a rookie. Bolden had one carry this year. His replacement need not be a RB. They have guys on the practice squad if they have an injury situation that would likely provide just as much at RB as Bolden does.
Yeah, man, I'm not talking about the fact that he's white, but good call. I'm talking about the fact that before he came to NE he played 50% of his snaps out of the slot. He can fill in if Edelman goes down. You're not going to match Edelman's exact skill set to any reasonable degree with a bench player. Hogan can slide over. That he was used as a deep receiver this season doesn't mean he can't go back to the slot. He's a versatile player.
I'm also not sure it's a given that Floyd wouldn't be able to unseat Hogan on the outside given more time with the playbook and in practice learning the offense.
Floyd can 'want' anything he likes, but if he thinks he's going to match his salary he - and you - are delusional. Playing time is great, but if he goes to a shit team with a bad QB, it's not helping his cause going forward to get another contract. Even without the DUI he was going to have a hard time getting a decent contract next season and was a prime candidate for a one year, make good deal. The DUI obviously reduces his locations for that.
Amendola is almost certainly gone, unless he's willing to come back pretty cheap. That's not really up for debate. Cutting him saves over $6.4M. He played for $1.45M this season. He;s certainly not getting a raise on that. Thinking he would come back for less is relying on his loyalty. That may very well end up the case, but I'm not sure it's something to bank on.
Mike Williams? Yeah, if you're expecting the Pats to use a top 15 overall pick on a backup to Edelman, I'm not sure what to tell you. That's not happening, even if Edelman gets hit by a bus tomorrow.
There's pretty much no such thing as a bad schematic fit for the Patriots offense.
Floyd may very well end up getting a better offer or opportunity, but to say there's not room for him because of scheme or roster composition is just not accurate. There's all kinds of looks you could give with Floyd and Mitchell wide, Hogan and Edelman in the slots and Gronk on the line.
Amendola and Floyd? Not both, no, because I expect them to get about the same short $, but I don't expect Amendola back and they can make other arrangements for Edelman insurance - again, yes, Hogan sliding over with a rookie or vet that can contribute on ST.
Other than that, Mrs Lincoln ... how did you like the play?
What are his prima donna red flags? All I heard from Cardinal players after he got cut were great things about him.
And I think the bolded tells you why he didn't dress for the SB. IT's not that he wasn't good enough, he hadn't had enough time in the system as Mitchell had. Once Mitchell proved healthy it was an easy call, but there was still discussion of them inactivating someone else to add him as a 5th WR. Problem was mostly the way the roster was built, it would have cut depth elsewhere.
1) He's talking about Hunter Renfrow, not Mike Williams
2) Hogan is nothing like Edelman
3) Edelman is going to get more than 1.45mil/yr
1) Did Renfrow declare for the draft and I missed it? As a redshirt sophomore he's eligible, but I havent seen anything that says he'd be available. Which makes him irrelevant to the discussion for 2017.
2) I didn't say Hogan is like Edelman. I said he can play the slot if Edelman goes down. He can. He's done it quite a bit in his career. If Amendola filled in he's not matching Edelman's production in that role. Pretty much no one is.
3) I assume you mean Amendola. He might. But most likely not in NE. He caught 23 balls this year for 243 yards. You can replace that pretty easily. Other than overvaluing his postseason performance, I'm not sure why one would expect a raise for him as a 32 yo injury prone fourth WR.
I thought that was his reputation in the draft, when coming out of ND, but maybe it was just the alcohol stuff.
Closing the door on the Michael Floyd era. Because the Vikings signed him on May 9th, the Patriots do not gain an additional comp pick.
(Edit: Rephrased for accuracy)
Was worth the shot and he added some much needed depth at the end of the year. I still think he would have added a missing dynamic, but the Cooks move likely changed their plans in the passing scheme. Thanks for the Dolphins game Michael!
Fair winds and following seas, Floyd.
I could watch this forever.
Hey maybe I'm missing the joke but he signed with the Vikings. Why the Seattle in the thread title?
No idea. I'll change it.
I'm my mind, I now see this as Matt Harvey chasing Edelman until his ex-girlfriend steps in to block him.
(Apologies for the bad joke. Love this gif.)
A think someone with photoshop skills throwing Lima in there with giant hands (paws?) would be amazing.
He tested positive for alcohol during his house arrest. Could now face jail time.
Nah it was kombucha bro.
.044 and .055? Is that even possible?
That would be a lot of kombucha.
Maybe he was thirsty, guys!
Sure. Probably the equivalent of 2 or 3 drinks for a guy his size.
Yeah, isn't that below the legal limit? I realize it's zero tolerance, but that's not a high BAC.
Yeah. Little more than half the legal limit. Still a shitload of kombucha, tho.
Ooops I thought the legal limit was .008.
Now THAT'S zero tolerance! Or just about.
It's like 50 kombuchas. So no, it wasn't kombucha.