Indiana still can get to around 12M if they wanted to fire it all at Smart. They're probably the best fit left for him.
You're right, Morris won't be happy here. Especially as his position moved west recently. On the bright side there are a lot of teams out that way that could really use him. Like Utah (it would be hilarious if Danny could find a way to slip Morris to the Jazz and they managed to topple the Lakers in the first round with his help).The problem with playing on a contract year is that his minutes will be reduced here with Hayward and Kyrie back along with Jaylen and Rozier.
I don’t agree. He might lose money up front, but if he hits free agency next year he’s going to make bank, bro.I would love to know what the Celtics offered Smart last summer. Seems like he and his agent may have really misread the market.
We'll see about that. There will be more cap space next summer but a lot more competition. Teams know what they have in Smart and I'd be surprised if someone values that contribution at $14-15M / season or whatever he's looking for.I don’t agree. He might lose money up front, but if he hits free agency next year he’s going to make bank, bro.
And I hope it keeps happening because the only way we will see the death of the max contract is if only stars are getting paid.Indy signed Evans for 1 year at 12. The market overall is looking brutal, meaning the RFA market is a hellscape.
At what point does the sheer number of guys signing one year deals makes next year equally tough for the non-stars?
Hey, no fair. A consulting firm told them it was a good idea!Somewhere in Oregon, Evan Turner is smiling.
It's all about FA timing but the PA really screwed the pooch on this years class by not gradually increasing the cap rather than skyrocket it for one season.
Given that Exum has been injured for three years you can be certain that Hap’s using that terrible contract as a reference point.Dante Exum's 3/33 seems like a reasonable comp for Smart, no?
Once Smart’s contract is sorted out they’ll just move Morris and remain on the right side of the line. As of today Morris doesn’t really have much of a role here given that he’s competing against Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Ojeleye for minutes.Sorry to be repetitive and I'm sure it's somewhere in one of these threads, but how close are they to the tax? Or rather, how much can they offer him and stay below the line? I've done a 180* on Smart and would like to see him stay a few more years, but I don't think he's worth the penalties.
Spotrac has them at a little under $8.5 assuming Williams gets 120% of rookie Basically if he signs the QO the Cs are fine, anything else they’ll have to make some moves to avoid the tax. Picking up Nader’s non-guaranteed option and waiving him frees up anywhere from $900k to $1.3M so if Smart signs at the MLE that’s a painless solution. As nighthob says, they can always flip Morris to free up room. One thing to remember is it’s not opening day payroll that determines luxury tax status, so the Cs could go into the year above the line and cut salary midseason.Sorry to be repetitive and I'm sure it's somewhere in one of these threads, but how close are they to the tax? Or rather, how much can they offer him and stay below the line? I've done a 180* on Smart and would like to see him stay a few more years, but I don't think he's worth the penalties.
I know that drives most of us nuts around here.What should actually drive Marcus nutz:
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The only thing I can think is that Utah was burned when they made Hayward go out and get an offer, and they've decided not to let that happen again with anyone who they think has a decent chance to get good.I know that drives most of us nuts around here.
Go take a look at Exum's shooting line (when he plays), not much better than Smart. He's probably bottom 10% in 3pt shooting % for a guard.
Exum is #9/10 in Utah's rotation. That's a lot of money to spend on a bench piece that can't shoot and is often injured. Not sure why Utah was in a rush to sign him? What other NBA team was offering him 3yrs/$33M?
I think they feel like 11M/year isn't much more than a top 3 pick makes anyway, and they still seem him as having that potential, with the added benefit of physical maturity.Exum has missed so much time it's like Utah is paying him on his potential. He was a pretty good play maker in his limited time last year but it's still a head scratcher.
Yeah it's pretty hard to argue with big 1 year contracts. They pretty much never come back to bite teams, and also create salaries that make trades easier.Amazing Favors is still just 26. He rebounded a bit last year but 18m per for him seems like an awful lot. He did start shooting the 3 last year too. so if he continues that trend and improves his percentages, he may be worth it but meh.
I guess it was them or no one though, given how the NBA works.
I like Favors as a player, just wish he could find his way to another team. He should be a 5 in the NBA today.Amazing Favors is still just 26. He rebounded a bit last year but 18m per for him seems like an awful lot. He did start shooting the 3 last year too. so if he continues that trend and improves his percentages, he may be worth it but meh.
I guess it was them or no one though, given how the NBA works.
They have no cap space at all.Smart would be the perfect 3rd guard in Dallas. He can play the point when Smith is sitting, or the two when Doncic is out. Or they could go small and slide Doncic over to sf. Even with DeAndre Jordan arriving, they will have enough cap to offer Smart a good deal.
But Dallas has too many guards already. They drafted Jalen Brunson and they are waiting on RFA Yogi Ferrell. Plus Barea is still around. So who knows?
cap is 102M Jordan is getting 24M, that takes you to 90M. That's where they'd need to be before adding Dirk, Yogi and you missed Luka at 6.5M.According to RealGM they have $66M in payroll before Jordan and Nowitzki (who can be resigned after they go over) and the hold for Ferrell. What am I missing?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DAL.html
LAS VEGAS — Though the NBA marketplace has overflowed with activity since the opening of free agency on July 1, Marcus Smart and his negotiating team are still waiting for their first call from the Celtics.
And according to someone close to the Smart camp, who requested anonymity to comment on the situation, the Celts guard is frustrated with the lack of outreach from his team.
“He loves the Celtics, but with these crickets he’s hearing, he’s hurt and disgusted by it,” said the source.
Though fellow 2014 lottery alumnus Dante Exum signed an eye-opening three-year, $33 million contract with Utah, for the most part the market has been bearish for restricted free agents.
However, limited prospects aren’t the main issue behind Smart’s disillusionment.
“I don’t think that bothers Marcus as much as no communication from Danny (Ainge),” said the source.
Reached yesterday, Ainge, the Celts president of basketball operations, declined comment.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_hurt_that_celtics_have_not_spoken_to_him_about_new_contract#.Wz7GNMax8FY.twitterFor now, the only tangible bid from the team remains the $6.05 million qualifying offer tendered on June 29 to retain matching rights. For a player who projects his value in the vicinity of $14 million to $15 million, the lack of anything beyond a qualifying offer is being taken as an insult.
“He would have thought there would have been some kind of three- to four-year deal from them to show they’re interested,” said the source. “But the qualifying offer is the only one he has received, and there’s been no talk since free agency opened. He’s most disappointed that there has been no reaching out from their end.
“He’s just hurt and frustrated that Danny hasn’t reached out. That’s the most discouraging part of this whole thing. The last contact was a few days before free agency started."
Negotiating ploy? Or is his agent just trying to get a phone call, to get things started?“He would have thought there would have been some kind of three- to four-year deal from them to show they’re interested,” said the source. “But the qualifying offer is the only one he has received, and there’s been no talk since free agency opened. He’s most disappointed that there has been no reaching out from their end.
“He’s just hurt and frustrated that Danny hasn’t reached out. That’s the most discouraging part of this whole thing. The last contact was a few days before free agency started.”
In case you're wondering if the news source is carrying water from one side or the other, this sort of turn of phrase is a great way to distinguish. Oh really, is that what he's valued at? Valued by whom? By what his agent told you, Ryan Hannable? What is the basis for such a declaration?“He would have thought there would have been some kind of three- to four-year deal from them to show they’re interested,” the source added to Murphy. “But the qualifying offer is the only one he has received, and there’s been no talk since free agency opened. He’s most disappointed that there has been no reaching out from their end. He’s just hurt and frustrated that Danny [Ainge] hasn’t reached out. That’s the most discouraging part of this whole thing. The last contact was a few days before free agency started.”
Smart is valued around $15 million a year, so it can be seen why he's a little irritated the Celtics have not reached out.
With no new contract from the Celtics, it seems things are trending towards him becoming an unrestricted free agent next summer.
“If that’s the indication the Celtics are giving him — a one-year deal –— then absolutely, yes, he’s prepared for it,” the source said. “And that doesn’t bode well for the Celtics if it comes down to that.”
This is what I've always felt. Which is worse....Marcus not receiving any offer or receiving an insulting offer from Ainge for a non-core piece?My guess is they really don’t want to sign him beyond this season right now because it could potentially interfere with max contracts, including next season if Kyrie leaves. There’s really no reason to say anything now, the market appears to be shaping up well for the Celtics, especially given Smart’s indication he’s worth 15 million plus. We also have no idea exactly what the extension talks last fall looked like. I’d personally let him walk if he signs an offer sheet, only because I don’t think anything he’d sign is going to be worth giving up cap flexibility.
I dunno, but I think its been pretty consistent around here that paying Marcus Smart what he thinks he deserves, $15M /yr, for multiple years, isn't a good idea. What do you think is the fair price for Smart?So is this the part of the thread where because Smart has an overinflated view of his worth we all have an under-inflated view of the same?
Exactly.I dunno, but I think its been pretty consistent around here that paying Marcus Smart what he thinks he deserves, $15M /yr, for multiple years, isn't a good idea. What do you think is the fair price for Smart?
I'll double down and continue to question both Utah (Exum deal) and Denver (Barton deal) front offices misreading the FA market. Marcus' agent also misread the market last year.
Stupid deals seem to happen in the NBA quite often, doesn't mean the Celtics front office should participate in it.
I don't think this is necessarily true. The Celtics really do need some tradeable contracts should Davis or KAT or some other young star become available. That does not mean that Smart should get a 14 million a year deal, but currently the Celtics hve few options to cobble together enough salary for matching purposes. Having a Samrt on a 8 or 9 million a year salary would go a long way towards helping that.One thing working against Marcus is that the Celtics aren't in the position of trying to tie up cap space for later purposes or creating tradeable contracts for future deals.
Exactly.99% of what has been reported in the last week in NBA circles is agent and team-planted nonsense PR. Nobody should lose any sleep over it.
Sign me up for Smart at $8-9M for multiple years. BUT I'd expect Marcus to feel insulted by that offer. I'm pretty sure Marcus feels he is as good as Will Barton and much better than Dante Exum. And I'd agree with him. I suspect Marcus comes with a little off the court baggage that the rest of the league may be concerned about. I'll be in Vegas on Monday/Tuesday. I'm meeting up with a friend that is in the front office of a team I just criticized. I'll ask him about Smart.I don't think this is necessarily true. The Celtics really do need some tradeable contracts should Davis or KAT or some other young star become available. That does not mean that Smart should get a 14 million a year deal, but currently the Celtics have few options to cobble together enough salary for matching purposes. Having a Samrt on a 8 or 9 million a year salary would go a long way towards helping that.