Johnny Manziel on and off the field

[NDame616]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14678168/police-called-investigate-incident-involving-cleveland-browns-quarterback-johnny-manziel

I really thought this kid was harmless; a star college QB that did a bit too much partying, which was understandable for a college kid. What a shame, I think he'd be a really good pro QB with some discipline, and still could be. He can't keep blowing chances at this rate, though.

While I enjoy the drama as much as anyone, what makes you think he isn't? He's an immature, irresponsible child who was spoiled his whole life and told his awesome he was ever step of the way .Yup, he's gotten into arguments with his girlfriend (*gasp* no 23 year old has gotten into heated arguments with their GF) and his ex-gf said she's concerned for his well-being (something that isn't exactly a groundbreaking statement after a fight)

I see this as an irresponsible, enabled child being out of his league. Until he starts off'ing people for spilling a drink on them at the club, then offing someone who may rat on them, I think that's all he'll ever be.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Not really sure doing coke, multiple domestic disputes involving calling the cops, dressing up in a wig and partying in Vegas while skipping out on work, and a trip to rehab is what I would consider a natural progression of a bit too much partying in college. Maybe others consider it to be so.

I never said the kid was a murderer, I just didn't think he'd be having all these issues. I thought his situation would be similar to Cam Newton's; a few minor instances blown up by the media that would never really impact his NFL career. That is clearly not the case.

 

[YTF]

Just curious, is there any good reason for Manziel to still be a part of The Cleveland Browns? They are a lousy organization that desperately needs direction on and off the field and THIS guy generates about 90% of the franchise's headlines. None of them positive. He can not lead a team or be the face of a franchise that badly needs one when he has no control over his personal life and exhibits no desire to do so. I'm actually shocked that he's not yet referred to as Former Browns Quarterback Johnny Manziel.

 

[luckiestman]

Just curious, is there any good reason for Manziel to still be a part of The Cleveland Browns? They are a lousy organization that desperately needs direction on and off the field and THIS guy generates about 90% of the franchise's headlines. None of them positive. He can not lead a team or be the face of a franchise that badly needs one when he has no control over his personal life and exhibits no desire to do so. I'm actually shocked that he's not yet referred to as Former Browns Quarterback Johnny Manziel.

This is the most attention the Browns have gotten since their return to Cleveland. I wouldn't cut this guy.

 

[DanoooME]

This is the most attention the Browns have gotten since their return to Cleveland. I wouldn't cut this guy.

If that's the only goal, then they might as well cut him and sign Tebow. At least the press would be mostly positive.

Same circus, different attitude.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

If that's the only goal, then they might as well cut him and sign Tebow. At least the press would be mostly positive.

Same circus, different attitude.

How about sign Tebow as Johnnys mentor or life coach or some such thing. Imagine the attention then.

 

[dbn]

If that's the only goal, then they might as well cut him and sign Tebow. At least the press would be mostly positive.

Same circus, different attitude.

They should hire Tebow to be Manziel's life coach, film their adventures, and have it narrated by Sir David Attenborough.

edit: damnit, George.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

They should hire Tebow to be Manziel's life coach, film their adventures, and have it narrated by Sir David Attenborough.

edit: damnit, George.

Narrating by Attenborough, you win sir.

 

[dcmissle]

Abs

Just curious, is there any good reason for Manziel to still be a part of The Cleveland Browns? They are a lousy organization that desperately needs direction on and off the field and THIS guy generates about 90% of the franchise's headlines. None of them positive. He can not lead a team or be the face of a franchise that badly needs one when he has no control over his personal life and exhibits no desire to do so. I'm actually shocked that he's not yet referred to as Former Browns Quarterback Johnny Manziel.

Absolutely none. And one very good reason to get g gone the first day they are allowed. Josh Gordon's expected return.

Hue Jackson reportedly was assured that no Johnny would be no problem. He'll be gone.

Edit. league calendar at play here. No way RGIII will be back here but they cannot make the move yet.

 

[djbayko]

They should hire Tebow to be Manziel's life coach, film their adventures, and have it narrated by Sir David Attenborough.

edit: damnit, George.

Unstoppable force vs. immovable object. Tebow could be a promiscuous raging alcoholic within eight weeks.

 

[dbn]

Unstoppable force vs. immovable object. Tebow could be a promiscuous raging alcoholic within eight weeks.

After which they should both become recurring characters voicing themselves on Mike Tyson Mysteries.

Okay, back to rational discussion. Sorry.

 

[soxhop411]

And cut

 

[patinorange]

There is a Lou Groza Boulevard? Awesome.

 

[soxhop411]

“@MaryKayCabot: Updated: #Browns will waive Johnny Manziel when league year opens March 9 for repeatedly undermining team’s rep https://t.co/L3tK9y5ARZ

Fixed link

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

You know you've fucked up pretty bad when you can undermine the already terrible reputation of the Browns.

Welcome to Dallas, Johnny.

 

[soxhop411]

“@Edwerderespn: Johnny Manziel has told people #Cowboys, #Rams, #Chiefs interested in him. Rams had draft interest, Chiefs have none. Thoughts, Jerry?”

 

[djbayko]

Even if I were a shitty team in need of a QB, I wouldn't go near him at this point. You're better off picking someone up in the 2nd round of the draft...someone with some semblance of leadership ability.

 

[glennhoffmania]

“@Edwerderespn: Johnny Manziel has told people #Cowboys, #Rams, #Chiefs interested in him. Rams had draft interest, Chiefs have none. Thoughts, Jerry?”

I read this in an article too. Wouldn't a team contacting a player who is still on another team's roster be frowned upon? In other words, I think it's total bullshit.

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

Wouldn't a team contacting a player who is still on another team's roster be frowned upon?

"Meh, just pay the small fine" ~ Woody Johnson

 

[Leather]

I read this in an article too. Wouldn't a team contacting a player who is still on another team's roster be frowned upon? In other words, I think it's total bullshit.

Read it carefully. It doesn't say that teams have spoken to him. It merely says that Manziel has told people that other teams will be interested in him. Teams like the Rams, who were so interested in drafting him that they passed him over in the first round. Twice.

He's delusional. He really thinks he'll come out of this unscathed.

 

[mauf]

The Browns are going to squander the 2nd overall pick on a QB, aren't they?

If I ran the franchise, I'd anoint McCown the starter for 2016 and see if I could find a QB project in the 3rd or 4th round (or maybe the 2nd if Goff slips), but that's easy to say -- I'm not in charge of selling tickets.

 

[redsoxcentury]

The Browns are going to squander the 2nd overall pick on a QB, aren't they?

If I ran the franchise, I'd anoint McCown the starter for 2016 and see if I could find a QB project in the 3rd or 4th round (or maybe the 2nd if Goff slips), but that's easy to say -- I'm not in charge of selling tickets.

It's the attitude of trying to sell tickets that partially got the Browns into this mess. I agree McCown can be okay enough with some weapons while the team rebuilds. A smart team would address offensive talent outside QB in the draft. Not holding my breath the Browns learn their lesson(s).

 

[glennhoffmania]

Read it carefully. It doesn't say that teams have spoken to him. It merely says that Manziel has told people that other teams will be interested in him. Teams like the Rams, who were so interested in drafting him that they passed him over in the first round. Twice.

He's delusional. He really thinks he'll come out of this unscathed.

That's what that tweet says. I was referring to this:

Manziel has told people the Dallas Cowboys, Los Angeles Rams and Kansas City Chiefs have all expressed interest in him, per Ed Werder of ESPN.

It's referencing the same source, but the context is very different.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

That's what that tweet says. I was referring to this:



It's referencing the same source, but the context is very different.

I must be missing something. Reads the same to me. Manziel telling people that teams are telling him they're interested.

 

[DanoooME]

Even if I were a shitty team in need of a QB, I wouldn't go near him at this point. You're better off picking someone up in the 2nd 7th round of the draft...someone with some semblance of leadership ability.

FTFY

I can't see anyone being foolish enough to pick him up other than the usual suspects of foolishness (Jerrah, Snyder). Tebow is more useful and he can't throw.

 

[glennhoffmania]

I must be missing something. Reads the same to me. Manziel telling people that teams are telling him they're interested.

Leather's point was that based only on the tweet, Manziel thought teams such as Dallas, STL and KC would be interested in him. And he's right. The article says those teams have expressed interest in him. Teams contacting him to say they're interested is very different than Manziel believing that they are.

 

[mauf]

It's the attitude of trying to sell tickets that partially got the Browns into this mess. I agree McCown can be okay enough with some weapons while the team rebuilds. A smart team would address offensive talent outside QB in the draft. Not holding my breath the Browns learn their lesson(s).

The Browns have new management, so "learning lessons" isn't the right way to think about it. But unless ownership is more patient than before (and more patient than the NFL norm), new management probably figures they're out the door if they don't produce a playoff berth by 2018. You're unlikely to make the playoffs with McCown or with a rookie QB, so unless you find your QB of the future this year, you're putting a lot of eggs in the "win in 2018 with a second-year QB TBD" basket, which feels more like a wing and a prayer than a plan.

If you're under those pressures, it's hard to resist the urge to overproject someone like the kid from North Dakota.

 

[Leather]

Leather's point was that based only on the tweet, Manziel thought teams such as Dallas, STL and KC would be interested in him. And he's right. The article says those teams have expressed interest in him. Teams contacting him to say they're interested is very different than Manziel believing that they are.

I think, though, that given the following:

1) Manziel's cluelessly arrogant, "what, me worry?" attitude of entitlement; and
2) Your point that teams would be foolish to contact another player under contract to another team
2a) ...ESPECIALLY a player as dubious as Manziel...
2b) ...I mean, seriously. Why would any team do that?

We can assume that Manziel or his agent are completely full of shit, and either Manziel is just deluded, or his agent is a fucking idiot and trying to pre-emptively kickstart what is sure to be a lukewarm, at best, market for his client. I'm going with the former, if only because Manziel seems stupid enough to be acting completely against any advice from his agent, who would surely realize what you do: that his client is only raising more questions about himself by basically accusing the very teams he wants to end up with of tampering.

 

[bankshot1]

Read it carefully. It doesn't say that teams have spoken to him. It merely says that Manziel has told people that other teams will be interested in him. Teams like the Rams, who were so interested in drafting him that they passed him over in the first round. Twice.

He's delusional. He really thinks he'll come out of this unscathed.

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With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
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From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

Johnny should learn this in English and French

couldn't hurt

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

I think, though, that given the following:

1) Manziel's cluelessly arrogant, "what, me worry?" attitude of entitlement; and
2) Your point that teams would be foolish to contact another player under contract to another team
2a) ...ESPECIALLY a player as dubious as Manziel...
2b) ...I mean, seriously. Why would any team do that?

We can assume that Manziel or his agent are completely full of shit, and either Manziel is just deluded, or his agent is a fucking idiot and trying to pre-emptively kickstart what is sure to be a lukewarm, at best, market for his client. I'm going with the former, if only because Manziel seems stupid enough to be acting completely against any advice from his agent, who would surely realize what you do: that his client is only raising more questions about himself by basically accusing the very teams he wants to end up with of tampering.

Couldn't also be as simple as the Browns know they are waiving him, but can't until March 9, so they gave he and his agent permission to speak to other teams about a prospective contract? Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[crystalline]

Couldn't also be as simple as the Browns know they are urging him, but can't until March 9, so they gave he and his agent permission to speak to other teams about a prospective contract? Wouldn't be the first time.

Especially because if more than one team wants him, the Browns might get some compensation instead of waiving him for nothing.

 

[NDame616]

Especially because if more than one team wants him, the Browns might get some compensation instead of waiving him for nothing.

You think more than 1 team would be interested in him enough to trade for him?

 

[Leather]

Why the fuck would the Browns do anything to help that asshole?

 

[soxhop411]

Why the fuck would the Browns do anything to help that asshole?

Its the Browns....

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

Why the fuck would the Browns do anything to help that asshole?

You can look at it as them helping him, in which case I would say they likely have bigger motivations behind them (i.e. reputation amongst players on the team or in the league as being a team that "does the right thing" etc etc) or perhaps even Haslam has a personal soft spot for him and his troubles and just realizes he's done with it being his problem.

Or, as I tend to do, you could look at it more along the lines of indifference. I'm sure they made it known to his agent before they released the statement. So if the agent asks if they can talk to other teams between now and then, why would you say no, other than spite? Worst case scenario is you still cut him March 9th. Best case is his agent is able to drum up some kind of interest and maybe you get a 7th round pick out of it.

Quite frankly it would be pretty shortsighted and petty to not let him and his agent shop himself for the next month.

 

[soxhop411]

Yikes



“@MaryKayCabot: In the Fort Worth police report, Colleen Crowley tells police that #Browns Manziel struck her several times and seemed to be on drugs”

“@JasonWhitely: EXCLUSIVE DETAILS: Johnny Manziel’s ex claims the QB threatened to kill her and himself via @rlopezwfaa
@jptrahan.
https://t.co/tQAlIMg2ll

 

[soxhop411]

Johnny Manziel's girlfriend Colleen Crowley told police the NFL star struck her "several times" during a dispute on January 30th ... this according to the police report obtained by TMZ Sports.

Cops say Colleen described Johnny as being "on some kind of drugs."

She was insistent he was NOT drunk.

Colleen told cops she was struck several times by Johnny -- including a strike to her left ear.

WFAA in Dallas says ... during the drive to her apartment, Colleen says she yelled at Johnny, "I hate you." According to the report, Colleen told cops he was going to drop her off and "go kill himself."

She says Manziel "started laughing" and told her to "shut up or I'll kill us both."

According to the document, Colleen told cops ... she had met up with Manziel at the Zaza Hotel in Dallas earlier in the evening with a bunch of friends ... but left together in the same car.

They both left the hotel in Colleen's vehicle. With Johnny at the wheel, they drove to Ft. Worth but argued in the car "shouting angrily."

Colleen says Johnny struck her several times while he was driving.

When they reached her apartment in Ft. Worth, Colleen says she fled the apartment and went to a neighbor to seek help. Johnny fled on foot.

Cops say in the report they were unable to locate Johnny -- so they launched a helicopter to to try to find him.

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/02/04/johnny-manziel-police-report-he-hit-me-several-times-gf-told-cops/

 

[AB in DC]

So, not harmless then.

Worst waste of talent since Charles Rogers.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

So, not harmless then. Worst waste of talent since Charles Rogers.

What are the chances of 2016 being the last year of Manziel's career? 50%? 60%?

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

What are the chances of 2016 being the last year of Manziel's career? 50%? 60%?

The Cowboys had no problems signing Greg Hardy in spite of far worse allegations against him. Manziel smacked around his girlfriend, which is just hideous, and he doesn't have the on-field success that Hardy did, but I would bet a lot of money Dallas signs him. Jerrah won't be able to help himself.

 

[jsinger121]

His agent just dropped him according to Schefter.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

He can hire a Four Loko rep as his agent. Might as well drop all pretense.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

So, not harmless then.

Worst waste of talent since Charles Rogers.

Charles Rodgers was a bust, but he certainly seemed to have the talent.

Manziel was Eric Crouch lite. He was never going to be a good NFL QB.

 

[joe dokes]

The Cowboys had no problems signing Greg Hardy in spite of far worse allegations against him. Manziel smacked around his girlfriend, which is just hideous, and he doesn't have the on-field success that Hardy did, but I would bet a lot of money Dallas signs him. Jerrah won't be able to help himself.

That's quite a gap in on-field performance though. Even too large for JJones to ignore. They at least expected Hardy to be a really good football player. They expect Manziel to be a backup QB. That said, JJones is cut from the same huckster cloth as Manziel's elders, so maybe he does something in a "help a brother out" sort of way.

 

[dynomite]

Manziel was Eric Crouch lite. He was never going to be a good NFL QB.

Probably for a different thread, but I think this is an interesting question. Crouch barely threw the ball in college -- he only broke 1,000 pass yards or attempted 200 passes once.

Could you argue Russell Wilson has been an enormous success with a relatively similar size and skill set as Manziel's? Russell has a better 40 time and is obviously a better player, but their college stats were basically the same.

 

[brandonchristensen]

Can we focus on the real monster in the NFL?

Peyton Manning.

 

[lexrageorge]

Probably for a different thread, but I think this is an interesting question. Crouch barely threw the ball in college -- he only broke 1,000 pass yards or attempted 200 passes once.

Could you argue Russell Wilson has been an enormous success with a relatively similar size and skill set as Manziel's? Russell has a better 40 time and is obviously a better player, but their college stats were basically the same.

Russell Wilson was drafted in the middle of the 3rd round, which is where you may typically find players that had success in college but also come with uncertainty about how their skill sets would translate to the pro game. He was also the 3rd Wilson taken in the draft, FWIW.

Manziel was clearly over drafted. It was obvious at the time, and it's become even more obvious now.

 

[DanoooME]

Can we focus on the real monster in the NFL?

Peyton Manning.

Carolina will soon be throwing the One Ring into the fire of the mountain and ending this tyranny once and for all.

 

[djbayko]

Agent's statement.

 

[Average Reds]

The Cowboys had no problems signing Greg Hardy in spite of far worse allegations against him. Manziel smacked around his girlfriend, which is just hideous, and he doesn't have the on-field success that Hardy did, but I would bet a lot of money Dallas signs him. Jerrah won't be able to help himself.

I don't know. That statement from his agent reads like a flashing red warning sign saying "Stay Away."

He seems like he's at the end of "Todd Marinovich Lane" at this point. Won't surprise me at all if he never plays another down.