Jurassic World 3: Where the Dinosaurs have Quad Injuries and Hate Their Shoe Deals
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Yes total leak. He’s going to LA but Pop is going to gut that roster and assets.
He already has a title with the Spurs but is still ready to move on from the place where he built his career, why is Boston different?
Making such a move without a guarantee is extremely far from anything Ainge would do. There's a not even remotely crazy scenario where you make the move, lose anyways (because GS is still awesome), Kawhi leaves, Kyrie leaves, Jaylen is gone, and the whole enterprise suddenly looks fucked. Ainge is the flexibility king. The value just isn't quite right. Especially given the fact that there is probably as much uncertainty about Kawhi's health as there is about his willingness to stay.
Honestly, I think this is a leak to put pressure on the Lakers to involve all of their top assets to get him. Knowing Danny, anything is truly possible with him, but I'm not holding my breath that they are trading him to Boston.
But if you don't do the deal, there's a chance that next year Kyrie leaves, Al opts out and leaves, and Jaylen never becomes any more than he is right now. Would anyone be surprised if Jaylen never plays in an all-star game? I know he was great last year in the playoffs, but we don't know that he'll continue to get better.
For all the talk of our great young core, it's really just one probable all-star in Tatum, and one potential (but not guaranteed) all-star in Jaylen. I wouldn't blame Danny for trying to maximize the one-year window w're in where we still have Kyrie and Al hasn't left or started to decline too much.
Healthy Kawhi for two years, no doubt. Shitty person and/or injured Kawhi for probably one is a huge risk. I’m all for unloading Brown as part of a package for premium talent, but this one I’m a no for me, dawg.
This is the same question I had. Y'all know more about the Cs salary cap situation than I do but will the Cs be able to resign Jaylen when he comes up? I know Horford comes off the books when Tatum (and Hayward) need to be resigned but the Cs aren't keeping all of GH, Horford, KI, Brown, and Tatum.
Boston's extremely cautious on Leonard front. There's so much uncertainty w/ Leonard's future -- health, free agent desires, etc. Will Leonard be same player? That's hard to tell. Celtics don't have to make a risky trade and have no intention to do so. It's an interesting dance.
I would be very surprised if Jaylen didn't play in an All-Star game but isn't there a salary bonus to the Cs if he turns out to be just outside of the top tier of players? E.g., if Marcus Smart was an all-star, there'd be no way the Cs could keep him.
There’s a decent chance the Celtics are left with just Tatum and Hayward after this season if they make this trade. If Kawhi flees, Irving probably will, then Al might take a look and leave, too. They won’t be able to sign both Kawhi and Irving next year, unless Wyc is paying massive tax fees. There’s significant risk for long-term if they give up Brown.
Why would Irving and Horford's decisions have anything to do with Kawhi? I think this is all gamesmanship by Pop and that the Celtics are being presented as more interested than they actually are.
Sam Amick: "Rumblings of a Godfather Lakers offer for San Antonio's Kawhi Leonard have rival teams wondering if anyone else can compete here. The latest summer of LeBron has officially begun..."
I'd be pretty surprised if Jaylen never played in an all star game. He's pretty close to that level as is and I don't see him stalling or regressing at 21 years old. The biggest concern I had with Jaylen was his 3 point shooting and he's 212/576, .368 for his NBA career including the playoffs. I'm not too concerned about it anymore.
Yup. They want LeBron out of the conference and no Kawhi for Philly. I think Magic is going to give up all 3 of his young guys here since he knows LeBron is coming.
Danny and Pop both have good reasons to use each other to drive up the cost to the Lakers. Neither particularly wants to see a real LAL contender.
Not that either wants to cut off his nose to spite his face, but helping the Lakers bid against themselves is good business.
Kawhi believes that the Spurs jeopardized his career by clearing him when he wasn't medically ready and then threw him under the bus when he tried to rehab it properly on his own. He doesn't trust the organization.
If the deal is Jaylen and filler for Kawhi, and the Celtics win the NBA title, is Kawhi really going to leave an NBA champion as a FA? Is Kyrie? Even if Kawhi leaves, with Tatum going into his third season as a superstar, and the Sacto draft pick hopefully replacing Brown as a future star, the team will be well positioned for a repeat.
I think the Cs can make a strong run, as constituted. But swap out Jaylen, who I really like, for Kawhi, who is a top 7 player when healthy, and that's a serious upgrade. It would royally suck if it's only for one season, especially if the team fell short of a title, but might be worth the gamble. Ainge might feel that Kawhi would like the culture in Boston and will re-up up there.
Maybe Pop really doesn't want to build the Lakers, and is willing to take a package of Smart, Rozier, Morris, the Sacto pick, and a future Celtic 1. That would mean that he hates Ball, isn't high in Ingram and to a lesser extent Kuzma, and loves Smart's toughness and Rozier's potential to be a star PG, doesn't want the Deng contract, and values the Sacto pick. If you take the factor that the Lakers' package will lead to a superteam in LA out of the equation, the Lakers' package looks superior.
The next 36 hours will be interesting. I'm rooting against LA getting Kawhi more than for Boston getting him.
I think the Cs can make a strong run, as constituted. But swap out Jaylen, who I really like, for Kawhi, who is a top 7 player when healthy, and that's a serious upgrade. It would royally suck if it's only for one season, especially if the team fell short of a title, but might be worth the gamble. Ainge might feel that Kawhi would like the culture in Boston and will re-up up there.
Maybe Pop really doesn't want to build the Lakers, and is willing to take a package of Smart, Rozier, Morris, the Sacto pick, and a future Celtic 1. That would mean that he hates Ball, isn't high in Ingram and to a lesser extent Kuzma, and loves Smart's toughness and Rozier's potential to be a star PG, doesn't want the Deng contract, and values the Sacto pick. If you take the factor that the Lakers' package will lead to a superteam in LA out of the equation, the Lakers' package looks superior.
The next 36 hours will be interesting. I'm rooting against LA getting Kawhi more than for Boston getting him.
Because the Celtics 2020 roster has neither Kawhi nor Brown on it and is significantly reduced in talent as a result. They won’t have the money to bring someone else on, either.
I would not mind the Lakers getting LeBron and Kawhi. It gets LeBron out of the East and guarantees that the Celtics only have to go through 1 of LeBron's team and the Warriors to win a title instead of both.
But if they return then it would be all set again and you'd only be out Jaylen who you would probably be replacing with a lotto pick in 2019 via Sacramento. Horford seems all in on the Celtics. I'd be surprised if he left. I could see Kyrie going for the Knicks, which would be unrelated to Kawhi leaving, and more about him wanting to play closer to home in the NYC market.
The problem is if the Lakers get George, Kawhi, and James. Add in a few ring chasers, and the Lakers might surpass the Celtics' in titles. (I don't count the Minny titles, but apparently almost everyone else does).
Exactly. Danny is helping to strategically flush LeBron out of the conference. You can’t win the Finals unless you’re in it.
They'd have a really good shot at doing so with those 3 (assuming Kawhi is healthy). Warriors would have a much, much harder time exploiting matchups with those 3 basically being able to switch onto Klay/Curry/Durant at any time. LeBron is constructing the anti-Warriors and if he gets Kawhi/George, he would have put together probably the best team you can to combat the Warriors' offense.
And its not just GS. Its the entire WC minefield. Sure you can say "Lebron knows that when its playoff time he can step it up while he cruises through the Regular season." But if he does so then GS, Hous etc etc get Home court. Not even the great Lebron wants to play 3 straight Playoff rounds as the visitor.
I think thats the beauty about getting him to the lakers. Sure it makes them stronger in a vacuum but the WC end up killing themselves through the regular season and playoffs. Meanwhile (hopefully) Boston walks through Milwaukee, Toronto and Philly.
I think thats the beauty about getting him to the lakers. Sure it makes them stronger in a vacuum but the WC end up killing themselves through the regular season and playoffs. Meanwhile (hopefully) Boston walks through Milwaukee, Toronto and Philly.
Put me in the Pop is leaking shit camp. Smart move for him ans Danny to team up and force the Lakers to pay $1.50 on the dollar.
Um...do the Lakers have the pieces for a "Godfather" offer? Kuzma, Ball and a S&T Randle with a non-lotto 1st? I say no thanks to that headache if I'm Pop.
And Lonzo probably gets flipped quickly if it's not done as a 3-way trade to start off. If the Lakers truly are desperate, the Spurs can go for Ingram/Ball/Kuzma and some unprotected first 4-5 years out. Randle makes some sense for SA, but a S+T for him adds more salary to the Lakers, so that's probably a non-starter.
Ingram/Kuzma has likely been on the table from Day 1. The question that remains is who else joins him to make it a “godfather” offer. I think it would have to be Ball. That’s basically Magic emptying out every good young player he has.
I'd be shocked if SA isn't trying to extract unprotected picks a few years out as well.
I think that’s the current sticking point. They probably want some future picks from LA in the 2021-2024 timeframe. I could also see them flip Ball to Orlando for their 2019 unprotected pick.
I mean that team (Irving/Leonard/Hayward/Tatum/Horford) would go 91-7 next year.
I think a 3rd destination for Ball wouldn't be a sticking point, since SA would have tons of time to move him. I'm not high on Lonzo, but his weaknesses are pretty well-known at this point, so I don't think he loses much value by going out there and running the show on a mediocre Spurs team. The GMs who like Lonzo now will still like him, and the ones who don't like him don't matter much here.
Yeah, that's my thought. Give me your future now and knee cap yourself over the next ten years in exchange for a run at the title over the next 3-4 years.
The risk is that the Lakers are able to roll over into signing more stars to play with Kawhi as he ages, but obviously SA would be fine with this gamble.
Sorry, I was referring to the LA picks as being the sticking point. Magic would probably say look you’re getting 3 good young players. Picks aren’t needed. And then Pop says ok, going to give Danny a call and see what he’s up to.
Adam Himmelsbach: "Continuing to hear that Kawhi to the Celtics remains quite unlikely. Lots of variables and question marks with contract, injury, and Cs being reluctant to part with stars given that situation."
Spurs could put a lot of pressure on the Lakers by letting the Celtics talk to Kawhi's doctor and agent.
This also sounds like the Spurs want a package centered on Jaylen Brown a lot more than they want one centered on Ingram/Ball.
A big problem for the Lakers is that I think the Spurs are one of the teams that doesn't really believe in Lonzo long-term.
EDIT to explain: If they believed in him, they'd see Ingram+Ball as a monster package and probably just be working to finalize that.
Mark Murphy: "Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to come here."
Relevant new info from the story Woj just posted.
"The Lakers are willing to include former No. 2 overall pick Brandon Ingram and a future first-round pick in a package for Leonard, but the Spurs are seeking a far more complete haul of Lakers young players and future picks, league sources said."
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23935910/san-antonio-spurs-engaged-los-angeles-lakers-boston-celtics-kawhi-leonard-trade-talks
That certainly isn't going to be enough to get Kawhi. The Lakers will have to give up everything for him.
"The Lakers are willing to include former No. 2 overall pick Brandon Ingram and a future first-round pick in a package for Leonard, but the Spurs are seeking a far more complete haul of Lakers young players and future picks, league sources said."
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23935910/san-antonio-spurs-engaged-los-angeles-lakers-boston-celtics-kawhi-leonard-trade-talks
That certainly isn't going to be enough to get Kawhi. The Lakers will have to give up everything for him.
C's playing it cool here and good. They don't need to do anything major to this team as it stands now. They took Cleveland to a Game 7 and more than likely win that series of Kyrie would have played. Kawhi may not be the same player anymore and I'd be very hesitant to include Jaylen in this deal, especially for just a season. You include him for someone like Anthony Davis, who is a difference maker, not Kawhi.
Let the Lakers mortgage their future with their young talent.
Let the Lakers mortgage their future with their young talent.
I’m sure they recognize his talent but a team that just dealt with a year of Kawhi drama probably isn’t going to be interested in more Ball-related drama. And there’s probably a 0% chance Lonzo re-signs in SA if he did get sent there. I think we both agree that Spurs and Lakers probably have significantly different valuations of Lonzo.
