PistonsDevizier said:
5-23 pre-Smoove
12-3 post-Smoove
Total
with Smoove: 14-30
without Smoove: 32-10
No other major changes for either team. Amazing.
NBA 2014-2015 Game Thread
- Thread starter ifmanis5
- Start date
5-23 pre-Smoove
12-3 post-Smoove
Total
with Smoove: 14-30
without Smoove: 32-10
No other major changes for either team. Amazing.
Who else can we add to the 2010s "addition by subtraction team"?
SF: Josh Smith
C: Andrew Bynum
SF: Josh Smith
C: Andrew Bynum
zenter said:
Nick Kaufman said:
Deron Williams at point?
Rudy Gay was addition by subtraction for Toronto, and yet addition by addition for Sac.
(I actually still have a tiny bit of optimism about J-Smoove -- overly impacted, probably, by watching one game where he was very effective -- but he does have skills and as a flexible off the bench piece I still think he might have some value. But might be whistling dixie there....)
I know this does not quite answer jon abbey's question, but in 1998, the Blazers lost to the Pacers 124-59. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199802270IND.html. The largest victory margin is still (I think) 148-80 for the Cavaliers over the Heat in 1991; it's possible that the Cavaliers were up 120-60 or higher, but they won the 4th quarter 42-13, so if they had a higher doubling mark, it would have been very late in the game. (One report has the lead peaking at 148-75, so there is some evidence that Miami was never doubled up.)
Celtics going to pound golden state on Sunday. Bradley and Smart will have Curry and Klay crying to their parents by half time
More amazing still: he was 9 for 9 in that insane quarter. Scored 37 points overall without missing a single shot. Even drained a three a split-second after a whistle that would have given him 40. Possibly the most surreal quarter I've ever watched live (live = live TV, alas...)Kliq said:
Forgotten after the barrage was that the Warriors actually needed it: they had blown all of an 18 point lead and were flopping around like a dead fish when he spontaneously combusted.
Sam Ray Not said:
9-9 from range and about four or five were, per him and my eyes, heat checks. Unconscious doesn't begin to describe what happened tonight in Oakland.
The only better scoring performance I can recall of the top of my head is Sleppy Floyd's 29 point 4th quarter in the playoffs vs LAL, where he didn't take a single shot outside of 15 feet and made 12 straight shots at once. I believe he turned into an actual human fireball at one point.
Kliq said:
They showed some of those highlights tonight on the network that carries the Warriors. What he did then was spectacular because he was going up against guys who were really trying to defend him and was making many of his shots in traffic. How he made some of those buckets is a mystery to me (and many others).
He didn't score in the first 2:11 of the quarter, so he scored all that in less than ten minutes.
The three to get him to 27 was bananas, he caught the pass with his left and it was in the air in one freakishly fast motion, with a guy in his face
The three to get him to 27 was bananas, he caught the pass with his left and it was in the air in one freakishly fast motion, with a guy in his face
So, who wants to decide the Western Conference All-Star backcourt? Even with Kobe out, there are still way too many good choices. Harden is a lock, and Klay and Damian Lillard probably are as well. Then you have Chris Paul, Conley, Westbrook, Tony Parker, Monta Ellis, Wesley Matthews. I think a team of all West-Guards could beat a normal All-Star team from the East.
CP3 and Westbrook should also be locks, imho. I think Conley clearly deserves to be on there too. I'd add Eric Bledsoe to your list and boot off Parker (only 890 minutes played, with signs of decline across the board) and Monta (.522 ts with awful defense and atrocious rebounding for a two guard).
The NBA All-Star Game this year should feature The WC guards vs. The rest of the league.
That would be entertaining.
That would be entertaining.
Curry, Thompson, Korver, Wesley Matthews and JJ Redik set to be in the three point contest this year. I personally think it should just be teams Golden State (Curry/Thompson) vs Portland (Lillard, Matthews) vs Atlanta (Korver and DeMarre Carroll) vs Houston (Harden and Ariza).
Despite finding Whiteside, MIA is 20-25 and Wade left early b.c. hamstring. I wonder if Bosh wishes he had gone somewhere else rather than re-up with this team that is going nowhere
This Bulls Warriors match feels like a playoff game. Its a see-saw battle heading into the fourth...
And the Bulls beat the Warriors 113-111 in OT in Oakland. The difference was a two by Rose who was 13-33 from the field and turned the ball over 11 times all by himself.
The Warriors had two tough games in a row facing a Thibs defense and a defense that's been installed in part by a Thibs disciple (Erman). Hopefully they'll learn from this. They had a tough shooting night tonight (no 3s in the second half), but I think this was in significant part due to tough D. Also, Curry had a terrible TO late in OT.
wade boggs chicken dinner said:
On the other hand, he already has two rings, gets paid max money to live in Miami, pays no state income tax, and gets to be The Guy. That might not be sufficient compensation if you're a win at all costs competitor, but if he were he wouldn't have re-signed with Miami in the first place.
Leaving Damian Lillard off the west roster in favor of CP3 is a crime. Even though they are different players, I take Lillard straight up over Paul today if I am building a team.
Yeah Boogie got robbed too. The funny thing is that most casual NBA fans would prefer Cousins game to peak-era Duncan let alone gracefully aging Duncan...BigSoxFan said:
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
The West was loaded at the guard spot, and somebody was going to get shortchanged. With push comes to shove, this is a reputation thing, and as great as Lillard has been, he doesn't have the reputation that Paul does. FWIW, Paul is averaging 17-4-9.7 with 2 steals and is shooting just a shade under 50-40-90 (47-39-89) and doubles as the best defensive PG in the league.
Boogie got named over Lillard as Bryants replacement. Now, Boogie statistcally has had a really good season, and he has looked unstoppable at times. But they are overlooking Lillard in favor of a guy who still has maturity issues, plays half-assed defense, coasts during crunch time and is incredibly tempremental. That isn't an All-Star to me.
Kliq said:
That perception's outdated. Cousins has, by and large, put in effort consistently on the defensive end for at least a full season at this point. He may have occasional lapses, but the idea that he loafs "so much" is simply no longer true. He's a very good player now, who works hard on both ends. He puts far more effort in on the defensive end than Lillard.
Thoughts on All-Stars:
1. Duncan is still a better player to me than Cousins. He's a similar offensive player while being one of the best defensive big men in the league.
2. Paul v Lillard- This isn't even close, there are no things that Lillard does better than Paul. Paul is a better defender, he's a more efficient scorer, he rebounds better, he's a much much better assists guy.
3. Lillard v Boogie- I'd take Boogie he's improved his D and he's a top scorer and rebounder.
4. Kyle Korver got robbed.
1. Duncan is still a better player to me than Cousins. He's a similar offensive player while being one of the best defensive big men in the league.
2. Paul v Lillard- This isn't even close, there are no things that Lillard does better than Paul. Paul is a better defender, he's a more efficient scorer, he rebounds better, he's a much much better assists guy.
3. Lillard v Boogie- I'd take Boogie he's improved his D and he's a top scorer and rebounder.
4. Kyle Korver got robbed.
Don't forget plays for a cruddy team. I've grown to like Boogie and respect his game, but there's a huge difference between putting up great fantasy numbers for a 16-28 team and being the crunchtime superstar on a team that's 32-14 (a 57-win pace).
Dame wuz robbed.
Dame wuz robbed.
Sam Ray Not said:
Eh, I don't really see it. Truth of the matter is that guard's an extremely deep position in the West, and Lillard lost out to a group of guards who are better than he is. Lillard's a scoring guard, but is, what, the 4th best scoring guard in the West behind Harden, Curry, and Westbrook? Meanwhile, Thompson's actually outscoring him this season (per game) and is a vastly superior defender, and Paul effects games in a lot of ways that Lillard doesn't. All in all, he's probably about the 6th best guard in the West, and was ranked as such by the coaches. That they chose 7 front court players and 5 guards doesn't really strike me as a robbery so much as it does just plain old bad luck.
As for the Kings record, it's worth noting that 8 of the Kings losses this season came when Cousins was injured. With him they're 14-18; still not great, but that's illustrative of the fact that he's not just putting up empty stats. He's a top 5 scorer, a top 3 rebounder, and the best post scorer in the league. He earned his spot, in my opinion.
Great points. By RPM, Big Cuz also kicks ass: currently #4 in the league after Curry, Harden and Davis. (Lillard is #9). I didn't mean to imply he that he put up "empty stats," just that for things like All-Star games and MVPs, voters usually do give strong consideration to team record. (Indeed, for MVP you're basically disqualified if your team isn't at least top 5).
I'd also note that the fact that Lillard has played in 46 games to Cousins' 32 should be considered a big plus for Lillard, even if those 14 games Cuz missed show how horrid his team without him. BY WAR, which factors in total minutes played, Lillard is #3 while Cousins is #18.
When I said, Lillard was robbed, I didn't mean to imply specifically "by Cousins." I just think Lillard really, really needs to be an all-star, both by standard metrics, and by more feel-based factors like the fact that his team is 32-14 and the fact that he's put up a ton of very superstar-like late-game performances to get them there. Since someone has to go, the most obvious choice to me is Durant. He's only played 21 games (46% of his team's total) and his team is the #10 seed. He's currently #72 by WAR. Sure, when healthy he's the best player in the conference, but we're talking about this season's all-stars, not the conceptual best players when healthy.
I'd also note that the fact that Lillard has played in 46 games to Cousins' 32 should be considered a big plus for Lillard, even if those 14 games Cuz missed show how horrid his team without him. BY WAR, which factors in total minutes played, Lillard is #3 while Cousins is #18.
When I said, Lillard was robbed, I didn't mean to imply specifically "by Cousins." I just think Lillard really, really needs to be an all-star, both by standard metrics, and by more feel-based factors like the fact that his team is 32-14 and the fact that he's put up a ton of very superstar-like late-game performances to get them there. Since someone has to go, the most obvious choice to me is Durant. He's only played 21 games (46% of his team's total) and his team is the #10 seed. He's currently #72 by WAR. Sure, when healthy he's the best player in the conference, but we're talking about this season's all-stars, not the conceptual best players when healthy.
Lillard should be an All-Star, no question. Speaking of, he's playing well so far against Atlanta. Good game so far.
Hassan Whiteside just grabbed 14 rebounds in less than eight minutes before getting pulled with two fouls.