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I think the other element that is suppressing RB compensation (and hasn't been highlighted as strongly here) is that the delta between a top RB and a late round pick is marginal, compared to similar comps at other positions.
Aaron Jones, Tony Pollard, Rham, Dameon Pierce, Isaiah Pacheco -- all day 3 picks.
Austin Ekeler -- UDFA.
That's 6 of the top 20 RB's (roughly speaking).
 
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If you're a stocky 5'10 220 there's not a lot of positions you can switch to aside from running back. I think it's simply a question of most good running backs being maybe 5% better than replacement value, whereas a good quarterback is 50% better than replacement value in terms of win contribution. Who you gonna break the bank on?
 
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So, basically, a small increase above the franchise tag amount. We’ll see what the others do.
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When I heard the news my first thought is there's a clause in there they can't franchise him again next year. Else it doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
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When I heard the news my first thought is there's a clause in there they can't franchise him again next year. Else it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Possible. Or maybe he knew he wasn’t going to hold out and tried to squeeze a little more money out of them. At this point, I feel like RBs just have to take the best long-term deal they can get. It’s highly unlikely that he’ll be looking at a better contract a year older with more wear and tear on that body.
 
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Possible. Or maybe he knew he wasn’t going to hold out and tried to squeeze a little more money out of them. At this point, I feel like RBs just have to take the best long-term deal they can get. It’s highly unlikely that he’ll be looking at a better contract a year older with more wear and tear on that body.
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Sounds like this. Per ESPN:

Running back Saquon Barkley and the New York Giants have agreed to terms on a one-year deal worth up to $11 million, sources confirmed to ESPN.

The deal also includes a $2 million signing bonus, sources said.

Barkley's new deal is worth $10.1 million fully guaranteed, including the signing bonus, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. The $909,000 in incentives includes an equal amount paid for three categories: 1,350 rushing yards and a playoff berth, 11 touchdowns and 65 receptions.

The deal does not include a "no franchise tag" clause, sources told ESPN, meaning the Giants can tag him again after this season. This is something Barkley and his team were hoping to receive.
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The tag next year is something like $12.2 million.
 
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Possible. Or maybe he knew he wasn’t going to hold out and tried to squeeze a little more money out of them. At this point, I feel like RBs just have to take the best long-term deal they can get. It’s highly unlikely that he’ll be looking at a better contract a year older with more wear and tear on that body.
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I think this is right. The RB Fraternity can complain all it wants, but if the value of RBs is going down in the eyes of the people making the valuations, then holding out makes no sense at all. The horse-drawn carriage repair guy who signed a 20-year guaranteed contract in 1918 was probably pretty happy in 1933.
 
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Question: I know that the NFL doesn't do "guaranteed" contracts like in other sports, but.....what's to stop an individual player negotiating that kind of deal? Like, what's to stop Patrick Mahomes (if he was a free agent) from saying, "I'll sign with you (even if it's for a little less than otherwise would be the case) but you need to guarantee the entire deal"? Once some players start doing that, wouldn't it become much more commonplace?

For a guy like Mahomes, what team would NOT want to do that kind of deal?
 
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Question: I know that the NFL doesn't do "guaranteed" contracts like in other sports, but.....what's to stop an individual player negotiating that kind of deal? Like, what's to stop Patrick Mahomes (if he was a free agent) from saying, "I'll sign with you (even if it's for a little less than otherwise would be the case) but you need to guarantee the entire deal"? Once some players start doing that, wouldn't it become much more commonplace?

For a guy like Mahomes, what team would NOT want to do that kind of deal?
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Deshaun Watson has a fully guaranteed contract. So far the owners have succeeded in keeping that as an outlier. Reports are that Lamar was looking to get a fully guaranteed deal but settled for about $185M in guaranteed


edit: Forgot about Cousins as well.
 
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Not sure where to put this but Aaron Hernandez’ brother, DJ, was arrested because he’s been threatening to go to places like UConn and kill people.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38069059/dj-hernandez-arrested-amid-alleged-plans-school-shootings

“Hernandez did not appear in court as scheduled on July 7. One of the women told police that Hernandez told her he had driven instead on that day to UConn's campus in Storrs and Brown University's campus in Providence, Rhode Island, to "map the schools out." The woman, whose name is redacted from the police report, told police she surmised Hernandez was planning a school shooting.

UConn police confirmed that a vehicle linked to Hernandez was on campus that day.

The other woman told police that in rambling about that incident to her, Hernandez said he "has a bullet for everyone," according to the arrest report.

Hernandez also posted threats on social media toward one of those women and other people, police said. One of those read in part, "Will I kill? Absolutely." In a text message to one of the women on July 7, Hernandez wrote about being angry at UConn coaches and university officials, and warned he was "taking down everything."”
 
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Irsay was the guy who the owners sent out to the media to speak up about Snyder needing to go. Taking one for the team is becoming a bit of a thing for him.
 
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I love that Jim Fucking Irsay woke up out of his pill and booze soaked stupor and thought “you know what? Of all the owners, *I* am the one who ought to set this situation straight on Twitter.” STFU Jim.
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Irsay was the guy who the owners sent out to the media to speak up about Snyder needing to go. Taking one for the team is becoming a bit of a thing for him.
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But he is right.
 
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But he is right.
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Yup, he is. It sucks for NFL RBs but the current CBA expires in 2030. They'll all be done by the time the next one comes up for negotiation. They have a bad (relative) hand so whining about it does no good. Exert what little leverage you have and then take the best deal possible. For some, that may be going year-to-year. For others, that means taking a long-term deal that is below what they're hoping for.
 
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Yup, he is. It sucks for NFL RBs but the current CBA expires in 2030. They'll all be done by the time the next one comes up for negotiation. They have a bad (relative) hand so whining about it does no good. Exert what little leverage you have and then take the best deal possible. For some, that may be going year-to-year. For others, that means taking a long-term deal that is below what they're hoping for.
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As I've said, SOME position is going to be at the bottom of the pile, by definition. SOMEONE is going to feel like they're being treated unfairly and are being undervalued. I'm sure back when running backs were winning MVPs and were the focal point of offenses maybe wide receivers felt undervalued. Things change. You think right tackles are happy that they put in the same amount of time, do the same work, as left tackles, but get paid a lot less?

Equal pay for equal work?

Average salary by position, according to https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/

LT - $8.9 million
RT - $5.1 million

Quite a difference, yeah?
 
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I, for one, welcome our new Jets overlords.
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I mean...that guy would really help them. I think they have a terrific RB now in Hall, but add Cook and they really can bring it. Combine them with Rodgers, and their offense would look scary good, on top of having an already fantastic defense. They're gonna be legit.
 
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I agree but immaterial. Doubt Irsay is changing anyone's point of view and now when the issue was fading away he breathes a little bit of life into it.
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He's also needlessly pissing off his own team's best player so it's just bad business even if he's right.
 
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I mean...that guy would really help them. I think they have a terrific RB now in Hall, but add Cook and they really can bring it. Combine them with Rodgers, and their offense would look scary good, on top of having an already fantastic defense. They're gonna be legit.
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The OTs and LBs could use some work
 
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If we only had more southpaw quarterbacks this would even out
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LOL true. I guess the point is that we don't hear right tackles complaining (that much, anyway) that they're underpaid and undervalued, when they're doing the same job as left tackles and putting in the same exact work. They just aren't protecting the blind side, which that fact alone makes them about $3.8 million a year on average less valuable in the NFL.
 
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Looks like some sort of sleeve on that calf. Would be a shit show if he was pushing through some sort of injury and just made it worse.
 
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I just got over achilles tendinitis. Was in a boot for 2 weeks then psy therapy for another 2 before I could re-test it on the pitch. Glad it's just a strain
 
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Burrow and training camp do not mix.

2020. Covid. 2021, barely limping through an ACL recovery. 2022, appendix removed. 2023, the calf.
 
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I just got over achilles tendinitis. Was in a boot for 2 weeks then psy therapy for another 2 before I could re-test it on the pitch. Glad it's just a strain
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Trust me from experience, one never gets over Achilles tendinitis. I’ve had it for around 20 years. Every spring it feels great. Then I play softball, and it’s back for another 6 months. Rinse and repeat.
 
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Someone made the point that carts are more common in training camp due to the distance from the training room.
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Does it also explain his inability to not put weight on it, and having to be helped to the cart, his teammates taking a knee next to him, and the brace over the same lower leg prior to pulling up lame?

I hope I'm wrong, because I pretty much hate injuries in pre-season to anyone that isn't on the Jets or Chiefs, but that seemed to me to be a bit worse than a calf strain. Could just be really precautionary, but....
 
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