Passan reporting Lester/Gomes to the A's for Cespedes
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glennhoffmania said:
I know. I was just poking fun at myself. I've got more than a little of my father's stubbornness in me, so your comment about me was not without merit.
Curll said:
That's awesome. Apparently the pitching and defense jokes made around here recently might not be too far off base. With a combination of Victorino and Betts in right field next year, the outfield defense should be outstanding and Cespedes also brings some much needed power to the lineup.
bosockboy said:
And Lester needed (needs) to be signed too, so the RS had him for 2 useless months.
Good for Lester to go to a World Series contender. Rooting for him like crazy, gonna miss him. Hope he comes back with another ring!
and our third arm is Victorino. That would have to be one of the best throwing outfields this team has had.Curll said:
Cespedes has hit .198 with a .573 OPS in the past 30 days. He's gonna fit right in!
Interesting to hear for the most part that the Sox were looking for top prospects and then they trade for an established ML talent. RH power is at such a premium right now but it may be that blue chip prospects are at an even greater premium.
Interesting to hear for the most part that the Sox were looking for top prospects and then they trade for an established ML talent. RH power is at such a premium right now but it may be that blue chip prospects are at an even greater premium.
I don't like saying goodbye to either Lester or Gomes -- (and am praying Lester comes back), but Cespedes is no slouch. This fangraph article compares him quite favorably to fellow Cubans Puig and Abreu.rembrat said:
Cespedes being a fly-ball pull hitter could end up in a perfect offensive storm playing half his games in Fenway.
I'm intrigued. He could see an Edwin Encarnacion-like breakout.
I'm intrigued. He could see an Edwin Encarnacion-like breakout.
mfried said:
His FG spray charts show him hitting LD all over the field, but his power zone is definitely from LF to straightaway center, with the most HR concentrated right down the LF line.
Madmartigan said:
Eh, even a prospect like Bell would have been unlikely to be as good as Cespedes is now. I think this is about as good as Ben could have done. Of course, they still have Lackey to deal so who knows what else Ben will bring back today.
Interestingly, this signals that the front office is expecting to be competitive in 2015.
Jeff Van GULLY said:
Beane just gave up an elite prospect for a worse pitcher than Lester and one that will be bounced from the rotation now that Lester has been acquired.
Dining with Billy Beane must be an uncomfortable prospect for Ben and Theo. The man never stops staring at their food.
Sox extend him...then flip him in the off season or next season at the deadline as part of the Stanton deal.
I hate the deal unless we resign Lester in the offseason.
And Cespedes is not going to be flipped for Stanton because the Marlins are not going to trade Stanton. Stop acting like MFY fans who think every other MLB team is a farm club for their team.
And Cespedes is not going to be flipped for Stanton because the Marlins are not going to trade Stanton. Stop acting like MFY fans who think every other MLB team is a farm club for their team.
Cespedes was pretty unbelievable in 2012, sporting a 139 OPS+ and being in the top 10 of the MVP vote.
He's apparently been dealing in 2013 and now in 2014 with some shoulder stiffness, so I hope he doesn't fail his physical. http://www.thescore.com/news/514486
Given the Sox have little OF power in their system, I'll take this deal.
He's apparently been dealing in 2013 and now in 2014 with some shoulder stiffness, so I hope he doesn't fail his physical. http://www.thescore.com/news/514486
Given the Sox have little OF power in their system, I'll take this deal.
.262 /29 HR /102 RBI per 162 games.
He has the ability to hit nearly 40 bombs when he gets to Fenway park.
How many right handers can do that right now?
He has the ability to hit nearly 40 bombs when he gets to Fenway park.
How many right handers can do that right now?
You can't be serious. If the Dodgers offered Pederson or Seager you don't think they would of taken that offer. Clearly they didn't get offered a top 40 prospect. People bitch when we get two lottery tickets in A ball. He's a valuable piece, add a couple pieces in the off season, hope the kids mature and there's reason they can't be good again next year. Cespedes will be a part of that, massive right handed power at Fenway. That's exciting to see.Madmartigan said:
To the people who wanted a package of prospects instead:
Would you have preferred a Dodgers package that didn't include one of Pederson, Seager, Urias? Or a PIT offer that didn't include any of their top 5 or 6 guys? Or how about trading him within the division to BAL without one of their premier arms coming back or TOR without one of Sanchez/Stroman? Because by all reports, that's what we were looking at.
Then we still get a comp. balance pick and (I believe) still can make Cespedes a QO after next season. Oh, and we have a guy who can hit in the middle of the order next season who appears to be a great fit for Fenway.
Would you have preferred a Dodgers package that didn't include one of Pederson, Seager, Urias? Or a PIT offer that didn't include any of their top 5 or 6 guys? Or how about trading him within the division to BAL without one of their premier arms coming back or TOR without one of Sanchez/Stroman? Because by all reports, that's what we were looking at.
Then we still get a comp. balance pick and (I believe) still can make Cespedes a QO after next season. Oh, and we have a guy who can hit in the middle of the order next season who appears to be a great fit for Fenway.
Barring some sort of flip, which I do not expect, this is the front office saying that this is a bump in the road and not a downturn/rebuild situation. They are keeping Uehara. Lackey may not be moved. Heck, maybe they resign Miller -- though he's probably gone. They have invested in the short term.
IMO what this means is that Lester will be signed this offseason. Either that or another investment in the SP market, but Lester makes the most sense since they are familiar with his medical history and the like. No surprises.
The elite prospect rumors also bear this out. Sure they would take an elite prospect or two and figure out the 2015 team later, but that was never on the table. So they took this alternative.
IMO what this means is that Lester will be signed this offseason. Either that or another investment in the SP market, but Lester makes the most sense since they are familiar with his medical history and the like. No surprises.
The elite prospect rumors also bear this out. Sure they would take an elite prospect or two and figure out the 2015 team later, but that was never on the table. So they took this alternative.
I guess I was initially disappointed the FO didn't get a stud prospect with multiple years of control, but it's Cespedes so of course I'm coming around. Between Xander and JBJ and WMB and Betts and the young pitching I suspect the thought of adding another young player to break in didn't seem palatable, especially with the Papi window closing a little more every year. I imagine the FO is in go-for-it mode next year and Cespedes is going to be awesome. I'm getting more and more excited as I think about it.
Has Yoenis every played RF? His arm would sure play well there.
I loved the trade when I thought we could offer him arb. Just having 2015 feels a little light. No knock on Cespedes' talent and projectability vs. some rookie though.
I loved the trade when I thought we could offer him arb. Just having 2015 feels a little light. No knock on Cespedes' talent and projectability vs. some rookie though.
moondog80 said:
Given the fact that he's just been traded to a much better hitter's park, I would suspect his agent will tell him to wait because his numbers will look better after next year.
Jeff Van GULLY said:
For a handful of starts, certainly. Shields and Samardzija have been traded with two years left (or two playoffs at least for the latter) for elite prospects. RIght now that's the point at which teams are willing to give up top prospects. It was always a long shot to get a Seager/Pederson/Taveras, even with the supposed bidding war.
A ton of people have now made this suggestion that Cespedes could be flipped as part of a package for Stanton. Can someone please explain to me why super-cheap Miami would want to this offseason or next deadline take back a guy making 10.5 million who will be a FA after 2015 and in line for a 6-year/120M type contract? Total shot in the dark on the estimate, but it just makes no sense. They would much rather get prospects or guys under control for a lot longer than 1 year if they do trade Stanton, who is under control until 2017.Reggie's Racquet said:
I don't understand the few that are don't love the deal. It is no longer March. Lester is obviously testing the free agent market. The RS are out of the running for anything but the worst record in baseball. The trade is Cespedes (whose contract is at least a couple of million under market value) + A's comp pick for a 2 month rental of Lester + a million dollars. The comp picks that could have been received when Lester walked is even with the one that wi;; be gained if Cespedes walked. Then on top of that, if the RS decide they want to pony up and pay Lester market value they can make that evaluation after the season and decide if that is their best use of assets. The deal from the RS perspective makes perfect sense at this point in time. Time to get over what was or was not negotiated last winter.
Holt
Vic/Betts
Pedey
Ortiz
Napoli
Cespedes
Middlebrooks
Bogaerts
Vaz
JBJ
That's a hell of a lineup
Vic/Betts
Pedey
Ortiz
Napoli
Cespedes
Middlebrooks
Bogaerts
Vaz
JBJ
That's a hell of a lineup
BornToRun said:
I think you're wrong to suggest that the Front Office is an island and somehow doesn't consult with other business areas of Baseball. There's no way that someone from Marketing isn't in on some of this, at least some of the time. Baseball is a biz like anything else and if the Market Basket clusterpuff doesn't tell you that customers pay attention and matter, then I am not sure what to tell you.
Acquiring Gomes clinches a playoff spot for the A's now obviously.
Anyways, I like a Lester for Cespedes swap alot better than that long dead Matt Kemp rumor. Curious to see if they work on an extension with Cespedes or flip him., because I think it has to be one of the two by the beginning of next season.
Anyways, I like a Lester for Cespedes swap alot better than that long dead Matt Kemp rumor. Curious to see if they work on an extension with Cespedes or flip him., because I think it has to be one of the two by the beginning of next season.
yecul said:
But this is really the issue. They need a pitcher and they've basically said they're not going to spend big money on a pitcher into his 30s. So while Cespedes improves the offense how are they going to replace Lester's production in the rotation? I don't think Scherzer, Hamels or Lester are walking through that door.
Remagellan said:
Eh, with Stanton there's a precedent. If he played for another team, you'd have a very good point, but the Marlins are known for this kind of thing. I wouldn't be shocked if they extended him, but I wouldn't be shocked if they traded him over the winter, either. He's not going anywhere before then, since the Marlins are in the playoff hunt, but you can't rule out a Stanton trade after October wraps up.
Gomes also gets to add his playoff intangibles for the A's.
Kinda surprised Millone wasn't part of this.
Kinda surprised Millone wasn't part of this.
Well they did get him a month ago, so they got half a season plus all of next year. Instead of Lester for 10 starts plus playoffs. They're a lock to make the playoffs, so basically this is for what they're hoping 4-6 starts in the playoffs.knucklecup said:
Love that Ben made the deal early enough in the day to try and take advantage of any LA/PIT/MILW/etc. last-minute panic and still be able to dangle Lackey to those clubs.
On the flip side, this has to have Friedman talking to those clubs about Price as well.
On the flip side, this has to have Friedman talking to those clubs about Price as well.
Cespedes to LF is a weapon. Keeping all wall balls to singles, stopping all potential sac flys to LF and keeping runners on 2nd from scoring on singles to LF.
RH power bat batting 6th helps lengthen the line up.
If Fenway enhances his stat line over the last 2 months, consider extending him this off-season
RH power bat batting 6th helps lengthen the line up.
If Fenway enhances his stat line over the last 2 months, consider extending him this off-season
“@Joelsherman1: Cespedes language: If new pact not agreed to by later of 10/31/15 or 5 days following club's last gm in '15, player released #RedSox”
So no QO?
https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/494850565487468544
So no QO?
https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/494850565487468544
Because the Sox could extend him and then partially subsidize him when they trade him.TheDeuce222 said: