Patriots 53-man Roster Projections

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I am a little shocked that Carr, McDermott, Moore, and O'Shaughnessy were claimed and Karras was not. This roster felt very top heavy compared to the last few years. When the second and third teamers were out there in the exhibition season, they didn't look great. Obviously, a lot of that had to do with the dearth of draft picks. Of course, I say that and 4 UFAs made the 53 but I don't think they are all going to stick.
 
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So - does McLellan go to IR today, freeing up a spot until November? Or does he stick around, limited, for the first few weeks while he heals?
 
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mwonow said:
So - does McLellan go to IR today, freeing up a spot until November? Or does he stick around, limited, for the first few weeks while he heals?
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Depends on the severity of his injury and the amount of time they'd be using the slot.

In my book, the ability to IR-DTR a player is pretty valuable and they're not going to use it to tide them over for a few weeks. If it's a 10-week deal, then maybe you'd see it. But if he goes on IR in the next couple days, I'd take that as a sign that he might not be back.

Of course, BB used it on Jacoby last year, so he may not view it the same way I do.
 
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That seemed like result of a combination a fortunate run of few injuries and those injuries that did occur being clearly season ending.

But with two IRDTR spots I would think McClellan gets IRd if out for more than a few weeks
 
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Thanks, Stitch - forgot that they changed this from 1 to 2 back in the spring. That changes the calculus - assuming he's banged up enough to warrant missing 8 weeks.
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Actually, I think the math needs to include the possibility (virtual certainty) of needing to IR someone else by/at the halfway point. Then the equation is something like (McLellan for whatever number of weeks he can go before week 9) + (whatever is available on the practice squad or free agent wire from 9-playoffs) vs. (healthy borderline body now)+(McLellan for weeks 9-playoffs) - (incremental value of McLellan vs. healthy borderline body * number of weeks 1-8 that McLellan would be able to go)
 
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.isportsweb.com/2017/09/02/taking-look-newest-defensive-end-new-england-patriots/amp/

Decent article on Cassius Marsh, who really became available because of the Jets/Seahawks trade for Sheldon Richardson and who Michael Bennet had been talking up as poised for a breakout this year.

https://www.google.com/amp/seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/03/michael-bennett-says-cassius-marsh-is-really-improving-every-single-day/amp/

Sorry don't know how to turn off the google addresses on my phone.
 
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Source: the Patriots are placing LB Shea McClellin on IR. He's been out since early this preseason.

That means they can bring him back later in the season. Bolden coming back is probably the associated other roster move.
 
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Source: the Patriots are placing LB Shea McClellin on IR. He's been out since early this preseason.

That means they can bring him back later in the season. Bolden coming back is probably the associated other roster move.
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It sure looked like McClellin was headed to the IR. I wonder if Valentine might be going that route too, he's been missing practices as well
 
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So when do teams start to complain about the Patriots cutting players with a handshake deal to bring them back with the new IR rules? In recent years if there is a "loophole" that the Pats exploit it gets closed pretty quick even if everyone else is doing it(jumping center on FG, eligible receivers). I wish I was half joking but a change wouldn't surprise me
 
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Not sure what the league would do. Isn't the point of IR so you can use the roster spot for another player? Any other team could have claimed Bolden and prevented him from coming back.
 
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The Mort Report said:
So when do teams start to complain about the Patriots cutting players with a handshake deal to bring them back with the new IR rules? In recent years if there is a "loophole" that the Pats exploit it gets closed pretty quick even if everyone else is doing it(jumping center on FG, eligible receivers). I wish I was half joking but a change wouldn't surprise me
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To be clear, I don't think McLellan was ever waived or cut.
 
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The Mort Report said:
So when do teams start to complain about the Patriots cutting players with a handshake deal to bring them back with the new IR rules? In recent years if there is a "loophole" that the Pats exploit it gets closed pretty quick even if everyone else is doing it(jumping center on FG, eligible receivers). I wish I was half joking but a change wouldn't surprise me
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Bolden is a vested veteran meaning he's not subject to waivers. With the IR rules the way they are, they had to carry Shea onto the 53 man roster in order for him to be eligible to come back this year. I'm sure Bolden was told this and that he'd be signed right away. It's the same with any other vested vet. It's the way you have to work the roster. I don't think it's seen as funny business by other teams as I'm sure they do the same thing.
 
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Bolden is a vested veteran meaning he's not subject to waivers. With the IR rules the way they are, they had to carry Shea onto the 53 man roster in order for him to be eligible to come back this year. I'm sure Bolden was told this and that he'd be signed right away. It's the same with any other vested vet. It's the way you have to work the roster. I don't think it's seen as funny business by other teams as I'm sure they do the same thing.
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Does this mean he couldn't be claimed by other teams but he could have signed with a team if they gave him an offer that he liked?
 
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The Broncos did the same thing with Shane Ray. I am sure they signed someone to fill out that roster spot. It is simply how the league works not some loophole. Bolden was free to be signed by any of the 31 other teams. But he is a JAG and sucks at offense and has much more value to the Pats and their ST than any other team which is why he wasn't signed by anyone
 
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The Broncos did the same thing with Shane Ray. I am sure they signed someone to fill out that roster spot. It is simply how the league works not some loophole. Bolden was free to be signed by any of the 31 other teams. But he is a JAG and sucks at offense and has much more value to the Pats and their ST than any other team which is why he wasn't signed by anyone
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Yes, they signed Osweiler.
 
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Doing that with Bolden makes total sense. Its sort of loopholish, but not really one that's worth closing.
 
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