Rookie hazing & bullying: Miami guard Incognito indefinitely suspended

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Edit--Regarding Twitter, Richie has apparently pulled the plug on his account, probably too late. The last week indelibly and forever stamped him stupid.
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Much as I wish he did quit Twitter, wasn't he just firing his agent via Twitter yesterday?

@68INCOGNITO: @AthletesFirst YOU ARE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a wonderful and blessed day
HAPPY SUNDAY
How da fuck does joe still have a job ?
 
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Much as I wish he did quit Twitter, wasn't he just firing his agent via Twitter yesterday?

@68INCOGNITO: @AthletesFirst YOU ARE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a wonderful and blessed day
HAPPY SUNDAY
How da fuck does joe still have a job ?
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he deleted is account for a day….
 
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Not sure if it's been mentioned earlier in this thread, but a contributing factor to this whole situation has to be the monopoly the NFL as an organization has on professional football players as employees. If this whole deal went down in a different industry, like finance, marketing, software engineering, construction, etc, Jonathan Martin would have just gotten a different job way before this ever became an issue.
 
Just imagine for a second that your career has limited you to exactly one job in your field, and all your coworkers call you a faggot, make you pay for expensive meals and strippers, and physically abuse you on a daily basis. You love what you do, but hate your co-workers. And the only other option you have is to do something totally different for a living that is going to pay you significantly less money. It's a pretty shitty situation, and I totally understand why Martin felt trapped and freaked out.
 
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In the span of 24 hours, he appeared to fire his representatives, mega-firm Athletes First, only to take it back, telling the agency, "I love you."
Incognito also tweeted "How da f--- does joe still have a job?" —a possible reference to embattled Miami Dolphins coach Joe Philbin or his agent Joe Panos.
His tweets included:
•  "I would like to send Jonathan [Martin, presumably] my apologies as well. Until someone tells me different you are still my brother. No hard feelings :)"
•  "There are no winners in the courts. Just families left to deal with their decisions and pick up the pieces. You can't free something ... We're all born free."
•  "I would like to also apologize to Mr. Ross and Mr. Wells. S--- got cray cray #MYBAD"

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/18/3943169/former-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito.html#storylink=cpy
More -  http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/18/3943169/former-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito.html
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Personally I love the "Shit got cray cray #MYBAD" apologyish-thing. 
 
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Here's the section of the report you're referring to (p. 109):
 
 
Hard to say if Martin's reaction to watching the tape (uncomfortable, but motivating) was really "troubling." Should it not be uncomfortable to watch yourself play like shit?
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Frankly it shouldn't be that uncomfortable because it's so common. At least in New England the players are shown a lot of the bad plays as a team the day after every game and BB lambastes them--my understanding is that this is pretty standard--so you've got to be able to shrug off the criticism and get to work improving pretty damn fast.
 
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Frankly it shouldn't be that uncomfortable because it's so common. At least in New England the players are shown a lot of the bad plays as a team the day after every game and BB lambastes them--my understanding is that this is pretty standard--so you've got to be able to shrug off the criticism and get to work improving pretty damn fast.
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In that connection, a firestorm broke out down here a couple months back when a report emerged that RGIII went to Shanahan requesting that his tape not be critiqued in front of teammates.  Evidently that request had been granted when RGIII was at Baylor.
 
Plaintiffs with an eggshell skull are not disfavored by the law.  It's a truism that defendants must take plaintiffs as they find them.  But it cannot be that everything that is not Mr. Rogers Neighborhood must be full on Full Metal Jacket, and that every participant must get a trophy lest feelings be hurt.
 
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Shelterdog said:
 
Frankly it shouldn't be that uncomfortable because it's so common. At least in New England the players are shown a lot of the bad plays as a team the day after every game and BB lambastes them--my understanding is that this is pretty standard--so you've got to be able to shrug off the criticism and get to work improving pretty damn fast.
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I'm going to double down while admitting I'm way more unfamiliar with NFL locker rooms and Jonathan Martin's history than you are. Always a good tactic.
 
Anyway: 
  1. He didn't say he was that uncomfortable. The subjective experience of discomfort seems to be an issue here. Who knows how uncomfortable he really was at this moment. But I understand that you're inferring a relatively high level based on other incidents.
  2. He did say watching it motivated him to improve. Good, yes?
 
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I'm going to double down while admitting I'm way more unfamiliar with NFL locker rooms and Jonathan Martin's history than you are. Always a good tactic.
 
Anyway: 
  1. He didn't say he was that uncomfortable. The subjective experience of discomfort seems to be an issue here. Who knows how uncomfortable he really was at this moment. But I understand that you're inferring a relatively high level based on other incidents.
  2. He did say watching it motivated him to improve. Good, yes?
 
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You could be right and it might be nothing: maybe Martin buckles down and plays tough and hard and does a good job putting bad games behind himself if he's in a good environment.  That's certainly what Harbaugh seemed to think he would do as a pro. But if I'm another team that's what makes me nervous, not that a somewhat introverted young player had trouble handling Incognito as a teammate.
 
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I'd be really concerned that he's just not good enough to play tackle in the NFL, less so about his mental toughness.
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I actually think the two issues are somewhat tied together.  The problem with something like depression is that it affects your ability to perform at the highest level possible, both on a psychological and physiological level.  So the question then becomes whether Martin can be an effective player going forward, given what he is suffering from.  I'm not saying that he's incapable of playing in the NFL, as I'm sure that there are other players in the NFL who deal with depression or other mental illnesses.  But it does introduce another variable, and it may simply be that he is unable to compete at his maximum level due to his mental health issues at this point.  There are some people who are able to overcome depression and perform in their job, but it can be debilitating in any profession, let alone one that requires the skill set that the NFL requires.
 
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Yeah, totally agreed. I didn't phrase it well; I think that the big question is "even in the best possible situation for his mental health, that doesn't challenge his mental toughness... is he good enough to play tackle?"  (I think there's a real possibility that he's not.)
 
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I can't help it.  Incognito, Sharper, Rice, whatever.  The first and only thing I really wonder anymore is what they'll find in the autopsy.
 
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Give Mort credit - O'Neill was named in the Wells report. He was fired, however, for "treating the investigation with hostility" and refusing to answer questions about what he saw (and laughed along with) regarding his subordinate, the Assistant Trainer.
 
I'm surprised Turner hasn't officially been fired but I'm gonna guess that Ross was told by Goodell to hold off so that the NFL Commissioner can suspend Turner as part of his disciplinary rampage. 
 
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Give Mort credit - O'Neill was named in the Wells report. He was fired, however, for "treating the investigation with hostility" and refusing to answer questions about what he saw (and laughed along with) regarding his subordinate, the Assistant Trainer.
 
I'm surprised Turner hasn't officially been fired but I'm gonna guess that Ross was told by Goodell to hold off so that the NFL Commissioner can suspend Turner as part of his disciplinary rampage. 
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Fired
 
Ben Volin ‏@BenVolin  4s
#Dolphins announce that they have also fired OL coach Jim Turner, to no surprise after the Wells Report. Trainer Kevin O’Neill also fired
https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/436319605267914754
 
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soxfan121 said:
Don Banks of SI.com and Mike Tanier of SportsonEarth.com with basically the same column on Joe Philbin's lack of credibility and poor performance throughout the scandal.
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And he's still the coach, which is mind boggling to me.
 
What a press conference he gave at the combine, telling the fans "We'll look under every stone" to clean this situation up or some other such bullshit.
 
 That press conference will go down next to FDR's speech after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, MLK's I have a dream speech and Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.
 
What a clown this guy is.
 
 
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Didn't Britney Spears do something like this with an umbrella and her SUV?
 


Original post: Somebody decided to bully Richie Incognito's $300,000 black Ferrari FF with a baseball bat.
Apparently, Incognito's ride was sitting outside his Scottsdale, Arizona, home when a vandal or vandals came at it with a baseball bat and smashed and dented it.
There were red shirts with Incognito's name strewn across the car, and pieces of the bat were found in and around the car, according to TMZ Sports.
Update: According to TMZ, Incognito smashed and dented the car himself. The Scottsdale Police Department say that Incognito admitted to them that he was the one that took a baseball bat to his own Ferrari, though police aren't saying what set him off.
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Didn't Britney Spears do something like this with an umbrella and her SUV?
 
Original post: Somebody decided to bully Richie Incognito's $300,000 black Ferrari FF with a baseball bat.
Apparently, Incognito's ride was sitting outside his Scottsdale, Arizona, home when a vandal or vandals came at it with a baseball bat and smashed and dented it.
There were red shirts with Incognito's name strewn across the car, and pieces of the bat were found in and around the car, according to TMZ Sports.
Update: According to TMZ, Incognito smashed and dented the car himself. The Scottsdale Police Department say that Incognito admitted to them that he was the one that took a baseball bat to his own Ferrari, though police aren't saying what set him off.
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You guys just don't understand the culture of Ferrari's & their owners. This stuff happens in every garage. I suspect Richie will soon be providing texts from his car showing that it was a willing participant in the whole ordeal
 
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Ted Wells broke Richie. 
 
And I hope Jonathan Martin's father is currently writing about Richie's intention to commit suicide on a message board. 
 
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I heard a snippet of a radio interview he gave about the Ferrari incident hours before he checked himself in. Utterly incoherent., out of his mind . Sad the most apt description.
 
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Miami has resigned Brent Grimes according to Adam Schefter to a 4 year 32 million dollar contract with 16 million guaranteed.

Seems like a win-win to me. Grimes said he wanted to come back, and I'm certainly happy he's coming back. He outperformed what even the most optimistic fan could have predicted last season.
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Has this become the official Dolphins thread? If so, that's a pretty funny commentary on the state of the organization.
 
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Ted Wells broke Richie. 
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To be fair, Ted Wells has broken much better men than Richie Incognito.  The guy is the co-head of litigation at, without exaggeration, the best litigation firm on the planet.  The fact that he played the politics on this a little deceptively (avoiding blaming Philbin, Ireland or Garfinkel, much less Ross) just means he's that much better at his job, not worse.
 
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To be fair, Ted Wells has broken much better men than Richie Incognito.  The guy is the co-head of litigation at, without exaggeration, the best litigation firm on the planet.  The fact that he played the politics on this a little deceptively (avoiding blaming Philbin, Ireland or Garfinkel, much less Ross) just means he's that much better at his job, not worse.
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Ehhh.
 
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My lawyer and strategy-consultant friends speak in reverent tones about the place, saying it's the place you go when you're betting the company on a litigation.  Compare it to Wachtell and Cravath for other matters.
 
You're saying it ain't all that?
 
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MentalDisabldLst said:
 
To be fair, Ted Wells has broken much better men than Richie Incognito.  The guy is the co-head of litigation at, without exaggeration, the best litigation firm on the planet.  The fact that he played the politics on this a little deceptively (avoiding blaming Philbin, Ireland or Garfinkel, much less Ross) just means he's that much better at his job, not worse.
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It's just standard organizational scandal handling at every level in every industry: throw the people on the bottom under the bus and avoid implicating the higher ups. Sometimes the higher ups genuinely do not know, but usually they are at fault anyway because they have responsibility for implementing culture and checks to avoid problems. I am shocked that Philbin still has a job.

What's remarkable is the huge conflict of interest that Wells has, and how it hasn't garnered much attention.

For the record I believe Incognito deserves to be punished. But Ireland and Ross are both at fault too.
 
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Boy, this thread is about to get really boring.
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Don't worry, I'm sure Richie Incognito will soon get arrested for (say) walking along a beach flapping his arms and clucking like a chicken.
 
As with the Herbnandez incident, by the time the lawyers get involved, most of the fun parts have already ended.  They're just the harbingers.
 
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That's a real lousy tip.  Do super-expensive restaurants just expect a lot less?
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They bought almost 50k in alcohol. I've never had to tip on a bill quite that large, but now that I think about it, I don't think I'd give someone 10k to bring a few bottles to the table.
 
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This dumpster fire could and should have been doused by now. It is unquestionably abusive. These guys are consuming stuff they would never order in the quantities they do if they had to pick up the tab themselves. The inaction and lack of attention are disappointing.
 
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Had to look up Screaming Eagle Cabernet, I was not familiar with that one.  Fucking overpriced California Cabs.
 
I am all for indulging in fine food and drink, but what a waste.  You could stock an awesome wine cellar for what they drank in one sitting.
 
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