I agree. Unless we "know" that CP3 is a real possibility.
I'm not entirely sure about this Porzingis move. There have been a lot of injuries for this guy.
I'll sit back and await some other comments and next moves.
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I'm not entirely sure about this Porzingis move. There have been a lot of injuries for this guy.
I'll sit back and await some other comments and next moves.
I mean, Porzingis is a really, really good player.
23.2 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.5 blocks, shooting .498 from the field (.385 from three)
Misses a lot of time though. But still....holy cow to add him would be fantastic. Though I'm with those here who say that Brogdon was a really good fit for this team and he would be missed.
23.2 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.5 blocks, shooting .498 from the field (.385 from three)
Misses a lot of time though. But still....holy cow to add him would be fantastic. Though I'm with those here who say that Brogdon was a really good fit for this team and he would be missed.
Ditto, but it feels worth noting that he's played basically the same number of games as Brogdon over the last 4 years. Considering how Brogdon's season ended, maybe that's not all that comforting.
I agree that losing Brogdan for MIA killed the Cs. First of all, a healthy Brogdan would have hit a bunch of open 3Ps as MIA focused on JT and JB and second of all, I think Brogdan would have fared better versus MIA on defense than trying to guard Trae or Maxey. At the end of the day, we all thought the 2023 Cs were better than the 2022 Cs but in reality, without Brogdan, the 2023 Cs were probably worse than the 2022 Cs team that played MIA and definitely worse in G7 without JT.
All that being said, sign me up for KP. Dealing from strength to shore up a hole. If they give KP an extension, this is the team BOS is going to field for a while (barring some HRs in drafting/development).
I just posted on FB that I can't wait to see what horrible injury he sustains that keeps him from playing this year, in the grand tradition of Hayward and Gallinari.
Wow, was not expecting this. At first glance, I like it. Brings better balance to the team. Should help to keep Al and Timelord's minutes within reason and give JT and JB a dependable 3rd scorer.
If he plays, he is awesome. Better than I expected us to do. Brogdon and his ugly shot was really good for us until he got hurt. KP has higher upside.
Agree with others that I want White playing starter minutes and that means Brogdon is a luxury, while the bigs are a question mark. I hope they can add a guard with more upside than PP at some point, but lots of teams want that guy too.
I also find it wild that people keep bringing up Smart as tradeable. On paper maybe, but he's the emotional center of the team for better and for worse and I would be shocked if he was dealt unless it was part of a huge clear upgrade. If and when they get a ring I expect he will have made multiple hustle plays in key moments to bring it home and it will seem nuts to have considered letting him go.
I also find it wild that people keep bringing up Smart as tradeable. On paper maybe, but he's the emotional center of the team for better and for worse and I would be shocked if he was dealt unless it was part of a huge clear upgrade. If and when they get a ring I expect he will have made multiple hustle plays in key moments to bring it home and it will seem nuts to have considered letting him go.
Ditto on Smart. I don't remember where I saw it, but someone recently wrote that if Boston trades Smart, they instantly become the softest contender in the league. I wouldn't be able to argue with that.
My feeling is,.. Think about all the times we wished we had another Al who wasn't 100 ? Porzingis is an excellent defender who buries his 3s, he's exactly what you want to replace Al and limit TLs minutes.
Is this at all a limited vote of confidence in Peyton Pritchard serving as the 3rd guard in the rotation or would folks expect them to move PP this off-season too?
Never a bad day when you can post the best Porzingis torching Darren Rovell gif of all time.
View: https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1091177976434212866?lang=en
View: https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1091177976434212866?lang=en
Yeah, if someone can find me a better option, I’m all ears but this is likely the best move Brad can make to get that big.
Yeah, he'll be missed but White is not in the same place he was last year. And Brogdon's value will likely never be higher in a trade than it is now.
Is Kornet going to teach KP the eclipse or is that too much injury risk?
I don’t necessarily agree this will be their team “for a while.” It’ll definitely be their team this coming season, but after that there will be nothing preventing them from trading Brown, KP, or anyone else.
Nothing too surprising, but it’s stunning how uninformed a national basketball flak like Wilbon is. His take on the trade.
View: https://twitter.com/pti/status/1671631580153122822?s=46
View: https://twitter.com/pti/status/1671631580153122822?s=46
Not shocking. The NBA National Media has become pathetically uninformed. From in-game color analysts like Mark Jackson to SAS to morons like Charles Barkley. It's complete schtick & carnival barking.
I will say JJ Redick is a breath of fresh air & is already dominating the space within 24-mths of grabbing a mic.
Porzingis was already adopting the Eclipse.
https://www.nbcsportswashington.com/nba/washington-wizards/how-porzingis-game-is-informed-by-analytics/394252/
Bigs: KP, AL, TL, possibly Grant Williams
PGs: White, Smart, PP, JDD
Wings: Tatum, JB, Hauser, vet ring chaser.
Let’s goooo!!
Boston is a lot different team with KP, giving the Celts an actual post up big who happens to shoot 38% from three. He also gets to the line for 6.4 FTs per game, more FTs per game than Smart, White, TL, AL, PP, and Hauser combined. He’s no AC Green, but if Boston can get 60 games out of him and have him healthy for the playoffs, this is a great move. KP also would be an antidote to the Miami zone that seems to flummox Boston, by posting his ridiculously long frame at the FT line to make a play or shoot, or by using him as a zone buster from three.
Making this trade for MB and Gallinari, retaining Grant Williams on the cheap if he can’t scare up a good deal elsewhere, plus a ring chasing PG and wing, and the Celtics will be ready to roll.
PGs: White, Smart, PP, JDD
Wings: Tatum, JB, Hauser, vet ring chaser.
Let’s goooo!!
Boston is a lot different team with KP, giving the Celts an actual post up big who happens to shoot 38% from three. He also gets to the line for 6.4 FTs per game, more FTs per game than Smart, White, TL, AL, PP, and Hauser combined. He’s no AC Green, but if Boston can get 60 games out of him and have him healthy for the playoffs, this is a great move. KP also would be an antidote to the Miami zone that seems to flummox Boston, by posting his ridiculously long frame at the FT line to make a play or shoot, or by using him as a zone buster from three.
Making this trade for MB and Gallinari, retaining Grant Williams on the cheap if he can’t scare up a good deal elsewhere, plus a ring chasing PG and wing, and the Celtics will be ready to roll.
Unless the Cs are also sending draft compensation, this sure seems like a steal to me. Yes, there's a big injury risk here - but I'm having a hard time seeing any downside, really.
Kornheiser OTOH makes a lot of good points there. Also? I had no idea they were still doing this show with TK.
The Wizards are having a fire sale. Getting a first for KP is a better return than what they got for Beal. Their tear down was long overdue. Boston happens to be in the right place at the right time
At some point, people will recognize that Porzingis played 65 games last season, which Bradley Beal hasn't sniffed since he was 25
The Bradley Beal to the Suns fans should start doing cartwheels over Boston adding KP.
KP was better than Beal on offense last season, is much better on defense, is paid less, is on a shorter deal, is younger, and fills a position of need for Boston. Otherwise, Brad got hoodwinked...
What I meant is that presuming that they would be over the 2nd apron, once the new rules kick in, BOS will have super limited means of adding players to their roster.
You're right that they could trade JB or (probably) White at any time but my guess that they'd have to take less value for each so unless they are forced into making these trades, this is the team that the Cs will have for a while.
FYI, they can still do a S&T with Grant even after the KP deal.
View: https://twitter.com/BrianTRobb/status/1671623532680208386
A Grant Williams sign-and-trade is still a possibility in the wake of a potential Porzingis deal per a league source. Look for the team to keep their options open with him as a restricted free agent with a qualifying offer next week.
Given the aging of Al and Tls inability to keep on ticking, I can see this deal. We need a big who can hit 3s and play some D. But the unicorn has a spotty record of staying on the court and Iike Brog. Judging him off his injury plagued Heat series is wrong. And if KP means no more Granite, I'm not crazy about that. He had an off year and may have been shunned and stunted by CJM. He and Brog and Marcus seemed to have some heart and toughness which this team is way short on. I think Brad probably made (?) a decent swap of skills so I can only defer to his judgement and cross my fingers.
I thought Brogdon was a steal and did a great job of providing the Celtics' bench with reliable offense and a steadying presence. I do think people are focusing too much on the playoffs where he was injured/outplayed (can't really tell where one began and the other ended). Nothing against the Porzingis move, it's also a good one, but I liked what Brogdon brought to a team that has had so many highs and lows throughout recent regular seasons.
Brogdon was a very good player for us but you have to give to get and I think he’s the odd man out when faced with the reality of dealing one of the guards for an impact big. He’s definitely going to be missed but KP makes it worth it, IMO. Brogdon will be a nice fit in LA.
You mean in the 10 games all 3 guys are healthy? Kidding…kind of.
I think you go KP/TL and bring Horford off the bench. Need more spacing off bench without Brogdon, IMO.
This - It is no disrespect to Brogdon to praise the move. And if KP played 65-70 games a year consistently, the C’s would have no shot at acquiring him. We aren’t talking about no-doubt foundational stars here.
rotate TL (35 GP), Al (63 GP), & KP (65) for 2 spots.
most importantly take Horford's 30.5mpg down to a more manageable 24mpg
expect Muscala to fill in for those 3 when one is out
they could add a 4/5 type in the draft (TJD please), use Kornet a tad more, and bring back Blake
Yup. The move is actually a positive reflection of Brogdon that he was deemed valuable enough to land a 27 yo big who is coming off a 23/8/3 season while shooting nearly 39% from downtown. KP is, quite simply, a significant piece when healthy. I love how Brad is always able to make incremental improvements on assets. Turns Nesmith/late first into Brogdon and then may flip that for KP. He really is a creative and impressive GM. Just doesn’t mess around.
I don't feel that version was an abberation. The time with Doncic I weigh differently as we now have other examples of his ball dominance iso-style not being so beneficial to the co-stars as Porzingis and Brunson each thrived once leaving there. This would be pretty incredible if true.
Don’t think that I’m not celebrating the thought of Boston having two Marquette guys.
PBS is picking up where Danny the Trader left off and moving it up a notch, if this actually plays out.
I like Brogdon but didn’t think the defense would be so bad.
I love that KP would bring a different dimension rather than just a redundancy at a different position. This move helps increase the kinds of ways they can win basketball games.
I love that KP would bring a different dimension rather than just a redundancy at a different position. This move helps increase the kinds of ways they can win basketball games.