He's so valuable to us. Long-term Horford replacement and short-term TL upgrade. It will be interesting to see if we still move Pritchard while looking for another better fit to replace Brogdon which is what I'd expect.
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Smart
White
Brown
Tatum
Horford
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Pritchard
Hauser
GWilliams (though it seems he could be gone in this scenario)
RWilliams
Porzingis (though would it make more sense for Porzingis to start alongside Horford and have White come off the bench?)
Muscala
Kornet
Davidson (?)
They'll need another guard, I think. Though maybe Smart/White/Brown/Pritchard/Hauser is enough?
Maybe the best starting lineup there is White, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Horford?
I don't know. It's an interesting group.
White
Brown
Tatum
Horford
- - -
Pritchard
Hauser
GWilliams (though it seems he could be gone in this scenario)
RWilliams
Porzingis (though would it make more sense for Porzingis to start alongside Horford and have White come off the bench?)
Muscala
Kornet
Davidson (?)
They'll need another guard, I think. Though maybe Smart/White/Brown/Pritchard/Hauser is enough?
Maybe the best starting lineup there is White, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Horford?
I don't know. It's an interesting group.
Agree on Brogdon… I thought his D was a bit of an issue before the trade (though some thought it was actually good when we got him?), but it was worse than advertised.
Despite the good 3 point shooting and solid bench play, more minutes for White/PP and having Porzingis is more than fine with me.
This.
Seems like they need one more real guy who can defend on the wing & they should be g2g.
If the goal is to reduce the defensive liability players once the postseason begins, it would seem PP wouldn’t be in the core rotation plans. Fine in the regular season, but really hard to play come May.
WAS isn't cutting Chris Paul, he'll be on a roster whether WAS or someone else's, they have no incentive to cut him.
Sign me up for letting Grant walk and signing Jrich for 1/3 the price if that’s possible. Porzingis/JRich for Brogdon/Grant/Gallo is an upgrade talent wise and also rebalances the roster nicely.
This team is going to be huge next year. A lot of 2 bigs, plus Tatum is a massive front court. PP seems to have improved his ability to pressure the ball, and with the size and shot blocking behind him, they should be able to cover for him getting beat.
Agreed. You can begin the season with Pritchard in your deep rotation and address the playoff rotation at the deadline. No rush to make a move for another guard IF this deal gets done.
The incentive is the same as it always is in these situations - generate some goodwill with agents and players (of a certain caliber). Is that actually worth anything? I dunno.
For the first time in a few weeks I'm excited to see what the lineup will look like. Losing Brogdon (and Grant) and adding Porzingis makes the team bigger but slightly less flexible. I imagine we'll definitely see more Pritchard next year, at least in the regular season.
Yeah, give him the regular season to prove his defense has improved, while building trade value with regular season offense when this team is putting up 120 points a game and ship him out if it hasn’t.
They certainly have no incentive to play him and my expectation would be a mutual agreement for him not to report. I can't imagine Paul stepping foot inside the District of Columbia unless it's to film a State Farm commercial or as a Laker/Clipper.
Potential zone dece
Rolling out some zone with KP, TL, JT, JB, and Smart/White would cover a lot of court. They could also zone up to hide the tiny, desperate for playing time Pritchard on defense Instead of Smart or White.
The health side is always a risk with guys that tall, but he’s a fantastic fit, and between him, Al, TL, there’s a ton of flexibility in the line ups.
I’ll be interested to see how they add to the roster, especially at the wing.
I’ll be interested to see how they add to the roster, especially at the wing.
Super interesting! Did it get a lot of likes? Any shares?
Ah well, that's a shame, near perfect fit, wonder what the cause was, see 4 potential options:
1. We wouldn't do it without a Porzingis extension
2. Clippers didn't want to take on salary
3. WAS wanted more value to east Morris
4. We didn't want to take on that much money
1. We wouldn't do it without a Porzingis extension
2. Clippers didn't want to take on salary
3. WAS wanted more value to east Morris
4. We didn't want to take on that much money
Maybe KP said he wouldn’t opt-in unless he had assurances he would be extended and the Cs didn’t want to commit for more than a year.
I don't think there is any scenario where Porzingis does not opt in. He isn't getting anywhere close to 36 million annually in free agency
no, but he might get 4/100 or 3/77 and for a guy with his injury history that's not a bad tradeoff.
Hell, if that was the case I would want him to opt out and have Boston execute the S +T at those numbers straight up for Brogdon
S&T would hard cap Boston. Would really limit their flexibility.
If they were planning to extend Porzingis at those S&T numbers, they'd probably be better off just keeping the big salary in year one regardless and going to a lower number going forward when Brown/Tatum new contracts kick in.
I'll talk myself into this later (Smart won't age well, his presence limited our clutch time flexibility because he's always on the court, we'll be grateful for the 2 1st round picks when we're unable to add talent via FA with 2 super max deals on the books, he's never going to be more than a mediocre outside shooter), but my gut reaction is that this fucking sucks. I know he wasn't exactly the paragon of health, but it's gonna be a major drag when both Porzingis and Brogdon missed extended time next year, for whatever.
And TimeLord. Postseason is all that really matters but there are probably going to be some rough stretches during the regular season.
Of course it’s the NBA so half of the current roster might be different in two days - everyone other than the Jays, KP, and White are all presumably still on the table.
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Including the first acquired from Memphis, the payroll in Boston jumps to $176M (it was $166M). The Celtics are over the luxury tax, first apron and inching close to the projected $182.5M second apron. Keep in mind that unlikely bonuses count toward either apron.
Porzingis is eligible to sign up to a 2 year $77M extension (starting July 6). There is no restriction if the extension decreases in year 1. Not including a Jaylen Brown super max extension, Boston has $100M in committed salary in 2024-25.
Including the first acquired from Memphis, the payroll in Boston jumps to $176M (it was $166M). The Celtics are over the luxury tax, first apron and inching close to the projected $182.5M second apron. Keep in mind that unlikely bonuses count toward either apron.
Porzingis is eligible to sign up to a 2 year $77M extension (starting July 6). There is no restriction if the extension decreases in year 1. Not including a Jaylen Brown super max extension, Boston has $100M in committed salary in 2024-25.
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I seriously doubt that Smart is the last shoe to drop. Brogdon is a nice matching salary (who probably is still a positive contract), and the Cs have all picks unencumbered, plus an extra in 2024. Lots of possibilities without triggering Stepien.
Teams love to say "we got 3 1sts for X guy", so you could do something like 23, 24, 25 or 24, 25, 26 + Brogdon and get a very high-end complementary player.
Teams love to say "we got 3 1sts for X guy", so you could do something like 23, 24, 25 or 24, 25, 26 + Brogdon and get a very high-end complementary player.
So looking at WAS.... I wonder if that is a team interested in Grant, because a S&T of Grant at like $16M lets us take back around 8M, which fits perfectly with Delon Wright, and adding a minimum guy matches up to Monte Morris.
Yeah, Brogdon+picks should be able to get you a pretty solid player, in theory. Would have to be a guard obviously.
Start looking at all the non-franchise player guards in the league, because they're all realistic targets now.
Zinger being younger than Jokic seems weird to me
I had a joke lined up for “why did the Celtics walk away” but I can’t find that post.
Answer is: they saw that CBS bot gave them a grade of C
I had a joke lined up for “why did the Celtics walk away” but I can’t find that post.
Answer is: they saw that CBS bot gave them a grade of C
I have the opposite feeling. Outside of resolving the Grant situation I think they are about done for the offseason. Brad has had such success with his 1 pick at a time strategy that it’s hard to see him changing course now. If there is someone they really like in the late teens, maybe they package 25 and their own first next year to move up.
The only semi-realistic trade of multiple picks that would intrigue me would be for someone like Bridges if the Nets decide to go into a full rebuild. Even then I think the Nets could do better than multiple end of the first round picks. This option is also still available at the deadline and next offseason and expect the team to see how this version works before doing anything else significant.
Maybe the more general way to put it is "Brad loves to turn picks into the best possible proven vets without compromising flexibility more than ~1 year out", and he now could put up to 3 1sts in play with no ramifications beyond the 24 draft. This is a big step up from what was available for Brogdon and White.
If he wants to go slightly further, he could get even better players/contracts.
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That’s very fair and something I could see happening. Although I think finding cheap talent through the draft should be the priority at some point.