Pomeranz did make 2 minor league rehab starts, one each with Portland and Pawtucket, maybe he should have gotten more, but it's not like he didn't go to the minors for rehab at all.
That's all well and good, but can we survive with a patchwork of Wright/Velazquez/etc as the 5th starter? I mean, he barely pitched half the game last night. We need a single starter who can eat those innings, regardless of how mediocre or bad they may be...22.2 IP into the Steven Wright scoreless IP streak, I think I'm going to abandon wondering if we could sneak the guy through waivers.
The bolded makes zero sense. He pitched 6 and 2/3 scoreless innings. But you'd have rather he was hit around and lost the game so long as he could get through 8 innings?That's all well and good, but can we survive with a patchwork of Wright/Velazquez/etc as the 5th starter? I mean, he barely pitched half the game last night. We need a single starter who can eat those innings, regardless of how mediocre or bad they may be...
Again, I'm not seeing the problem here, especially if the either Wright or Velasquez is in the pen as a long man.Wright/Velazquez/Johnson/Beeks as starters: 4-1 in 6 GS, 2.62 ERA, 5 2/3 IP/start
What the Sox really need is a healthy Pomeranz, but absent that they’ve been incredibly fortunate with the results they’ve gotten from Wright, Velazquez, et al. Wright and Velazquez both with xFIPs in the 4.50 area and strand rates >90% scream regression is coming...That's all well and good, but can we survive with a patchwork of Wright/Velazquez/etc as the 5th starter? I mean, he barely pitched half the game last night. We need a single starter who can eat those innings, regardless of how mediocre or bad they may be...
Wright/Velazquez/Johnson/Beeks as starters: 4-1 in 6 GS, 2.62 ERA, 5 2/3 IP/start
OTOH--They could regress at Mach 3 and still be better than any other team's 6th and 7th starters, and probably still be better than most teams' 5th best starter.What the Sox really need is a healthy Pomeranz, but absent that they’ve been incredibly fortunate with the results they’ve gotten from Wright, Velazquez, et al. Wright and Velazquez both with xFIPs in the 4.50 area and strand rates >90% scream regression is coming...
Absolutely agree - my point was simply the Sox have been incredibly fortunate with the results they’ve gotten out of the back end of the rotation. Unfortunately for the Sox, the bar they need to clear is “better than the NYY.” Regression from the back end of the rotation should be a concern, as having 6th/7th starters better than most of the league’s 5th starters will be cold comfort in a wild card play-in game... Admittedly, regression works both ways and they should start winning more Sale starts than they have been as well...OTOH--They could regress at Mach 3 and still be better than any other team's 6th and 7th starters, and probably still be better than most teams' 5th best starter.
That's all well and good, but can we survive with a patchwork of Wright/Velazquez/etc as the 5th starter? I mean, he barely pitched half the game last night. We need a single starter who can eat those innings, regardless of how mediocre or bad they may be...
Wright/Velazquez/Johnson/Beeks as starters: 4-1 in 6 GS, 2.62 ERA, 5 2/3 IP/start
Yes, yes it does.Maybe my sarcasm detector needs tuning, but this is baffling to me.
.
Guys, TonyArmas' post was sarcasm.
I cannot believe half the board cannot recognize sarcasm when it bites them in the butt. LOL I guess we all take every post so seriously or maybe it says something about the group when a clearly sarcastic post is taken as a serious analysis.[emoji4]Barely half the game? He went 6 2/3 innings. Wright has nowpitchedstarted 2 games, one where he went 7 and last night where he went 6 2/3.
Also, why are you lumping everyone together? The last 3 pitchers on that list are very different than Wright, and not because of the knuckle ball. I'm not a Wright believer, but he has 3 times more IP than the other 3 guys combined. Velazquez and Johnson have about 60 ip in their career, Beeks 4.
edit: 74.1% of the game is barely half and definitely not closer to 3/4 of the game. At least when you are building a shitty narrative.
You just think all Tonys are the same. Shame.But he was the same one making the argument earlier in another thread about IP>>>ERA and the like.
xFIP isn't going to love a knuckleballer, though. Wright's BB/9 is higher than his H/9.What the Sox really need is a healthy Pomeranz, but absent that they’ve been incredibly fortunate with the results they’ve gotten from Wright, Velazquez, et al. Wright and Velazquez both with xFIPs in the 4.50 area and strand rates >90% scream regression is coming...
BABIP against is only .192 this year vs. career average of .278 though, HR/FB at only 4.0%, LOB% 91.5%, etc. I’m in no way arguing he isn’t a high quality back end of the rotation starter, just that he’s very unlikely to continue generating the results he has thus far. Assuming he’s healthy, I still think Pom is the better option for the rotation.xFIP isn't going to love a knuckleballer, though. Wright's BB/9 is higher than his H/9.
Feel free to trade me away if there are too many Tonys around. I probably wouldn't fetch you anyone of consequence in a trade, though...Armas deserves a Tony Award cuz he did some serious playin'.
At least we are not the Mets. Jacob Degrom recently had a ten game stretch with a 0.87 ERA and the team went 2-8 in those starts. This came from a Mets fan colleague of mine so the numbers could be slightly off.The Red Sox are 49-25, on pace to win 107 baseball games. Chris Sale has this stat line this year:
2.74 era, 0.94 whip, 12.4 k/9 - clearly CYA type numbers.
And the Red Sox are just 8-8 in his 16 starts. They've lost 4 of his last 5 starts. In the last two games they've lost that he's pitched in, Sale has gone 15.0 ip, 9 h, 3 r, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k, 1.80 era, 0.73 whip, 12.6 k/9.
It is absolutely incredible that Boston is just 8-8 in his 16 starts. That means that in non-Sale starts, they're 41-17 (.707, which is a pace for 115 wins).
Had to look that up. It's even worse. Over an 11-game stretch from Apr 16-June 13, DeGrom put up a line of 1.16 era, 0.98 whip, and 12.3 k/9. But the Mets went 2-9 over that stretch. Unreal. They scored 25 runs in those 11 games.At least we are not the Mets. Jacob Degrom recently had a ten game stretch with a 0.87 ERA and the team went 2-8 in those starts. This came from a Mets fan colleague of mine so the numbers could be slightly off.
Why, think its too late to convert him to a LOOGY?The answer is obvious. Trade Chris Sale for a reliever
Chris Sale was stellar in Wednesday’s 4-2 victory over the Texas Rangers, continuing a season-long trend that has been particularly noticeable in his recent performance. So much so that Sale stands alone in Major League Baseball folklore with his results in the last five games. The Sox southpaw tossed his fifth straight outing with at least 12 strikeouts and one walk or less Wednesday, something no MLB pitcher has ever done.
Read more at: https://nesn.com/2018/07/red-sox-notes-chris-sale-makes-mlb-history-with-recent-dominance/
I don't understand the velocity. It's like 10 starts ago he tells himself "screw it I'm just gonna throw harder now." His sitting 97-100 the entire game now. That's not something he's done in the past.Insane.
I hope he can keep it up. Give him all of the money.
I might be making this up but did I hear Remy and DoB talking about him tinkering with mechanics a couple of starts ago?I don't understand the velocity. It's like 10 starts ago he tops himself "screw it I'm just gonna throw harder now." His sitting 97-100 the entire game now. That's not something he's done in the past.
I heard or read it from Cora, so you probably did hear it. I had been tagging it to the extra rest during 6-man rotation week, but maybe that's not it. Or maybe he used the extra time to tinker.I might be making this up but did I hear Remy and DoB talking about him tinkering with mechanics a couple of starts ago?
I think Remy was talking about how he's gone back to his old mechanics of facing the batter to start his windup, as opposed to almost starting from the stretch every pitch.I heard or read it from Cora, so you probably did hear it. I had been tagging it to the extra rest during 6-man rotation week, but maybe that's not it. Or maybe he used the extra time to tinker.
So I assume if Sale struggles in the playoffs again this year you will be out there booing and arguing for the Sox not to back up the brinks truck for him? I also assume you think Bumgarner has always been better than Kershaw. Price gets legit hate because Chris Sale came in and dominated his first year and Price didn't. But Chris Sale is legit the best pitcher in baseball. Price is what he is. A good pitcher who got paid a ton of money because he was a free agent during a period where salaries were rapidly increasing. He was never a top 10SP in a per inning basis. He was an ace because of the volume of innings he would eat up. Which is exactly what he did in 2016.how exactly is a game against the blue jays in july a "pretty important game"? Even this game was not that great, Porcello has been far better, and probably will be a much better pitcher over their tenures on this team. Why does a 6.2 inning 3 ER start get a post imploring the board appreciate Price when a 7 inning 3 ER start by Porcello gets no comment? Price is clearly the number three guy here and will always be an overpriced starter while he plays with the sox.
He won't be loved or appreciated until he dominates in the playoffs. If he doesnt do that ever, he deserves all the vitriol he gets.
edit: Price gets all of the attention bc of his contract. he is probably the least likable member of the rotation. why do we spend so much time hating him and not glorifying the great contributions of the other guys that have made us the best team in MLB so far? He is an overpaid former ace and that is all he will ever be. We should just accept that fact and expect him to be a solid 3/4 guy
Conclusion: He's almost as good as Pedro.Sale's last 7 starts:
8.0 ip, 6 h, 1 r, 1 er, 1 bb, 10 k
6.0 ip, 2 h, 1 r, 1 er, 4 bb, 9 k
7.0 ip, 3 h, 2 r, 2 er, 1 bb, 11 k
7.0 ip, 4 h, 0 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 13 k
7.0 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 11 k
6.0 ip, 5 h, 1 r, 1 er, 1 bb, 12 k
7.0 ip, 6 h, 0 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 12 k
TOT: 48.0 ip, 27 h, 5 r, 5 er, 10 bb, 78 k, 0.94 era, 0.77 whip, 14.6 k/9
Here's how that compares to Pedro's best stretches:
Pedro 1999:
8.0 ip, 4 h, 1 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 15 k
6.0 ip, 4 h, 1 r, 1 er, 1 bb, 11 k
8.0 ip, 2 h, 0 r, 0 er, 3 bb, 15 k
9.0 ip, 1 h, 1 r, 1 er, 0 bb, 17 k (best start I ever saw - vs. Yankees)
7.0 ip, 8 h, 2 r, 2 er, 1 bb, 14 k
9.0 ip, 3 h, 0 r, 0 er, 2 bb, 12 k
8.0 ip, 6 h, 2 r, 1 er, 0 bb, 12 k
TOT: 55.0 ip, 28 h, 7 r, 5 er, 8 bb, 96 k, 0.82 era, 0.65 whip, 15.7 k/9
Pedro 2002 (8 games):
8.0 ip, 7 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 14 k
5.0 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 er, 2 bb, 8 k
6.0 ip, 5 h, 3 r, 1 er, 2 bb, 8 k
7.1 ip, 5 h, 2 r, 2 er, 3 bb, 9 k
8.0 ip, 2 h, 0 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 11 k
8.0 ip, 2 h, 0 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 9 k
7.0 ip, 3 h, 0 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 10 k
8.0 ip, 4 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 8 k
TOT: 57.1 ip, 29 h, 5 r, 3 er, 10 bb, 77 k, 0.47 era, 0.68 whip, 12.1 k/9
Sick. Absolutely sick.
Well considering that peak Pedro is the greatest pitcher who ever lived, yes, for Sale to be reasonably compared to him is high praise indeed.Conclusion: He's almost as good as Pedro.
That's high praise.
I'm pulling for Price to excel. I'd like him to stay on board for a Verlander-esque renaissance. I'm worried about his age, his injury history, his increasing walk and home run rates. All of these are pretty big red flags going forward.How about this then? You bury your negative feelings for him and start pulling for him to do well. Really well.
Should have specified. Important game for Price. If he continued to collapse after that shitty first inning, I think it would have had a horrible effect on the whole teamhow exactly is a game against the blue jays in july a "pretty important game"? Even this game was not that great, Porcello has been far better, and probably will be a much better pitcher over their tenures on this team. Why does a 6.2 inning 3 ER start get a post imploring the board appreciate Price when a 7 inning 3 ER start by Porcello gets no comment? Price is clearly the number three guy here and will always be an overpriced starter while he plays with the sox.
He won't be loved or appreciated until he dominates in the playoffs. If he doesnt do that ever, he deserves all the vitriol he gets.
edit: Price gets all of the attention bc of his contract. he is probably the least likable member of the rotation. why do we spend so much time hating him and not glorifying the great contributions of the other guys that have made us the best team in MLB so far? He is an overpaid former ace and that is all he will ever be. We should just accept that fact and expect him to be a solid 3/4 guy