This is now: BB and the direction of the Patriots

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Garshaparra

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There’s another non-COVID respiratory thing going around the Boston area right now. I know a few people fighting it right now.
My wife was diagnosed with RSV 11 days ago. She ended up needing steroid treatment, and still isn't out of the woods. One of the benefits of COVID-19 testing is it created paths for more regular viral screening for previously known, but rarely tested for, viruses like RSV.
 

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Some folks are convinced Bill can’t return to form. I’m not so sure. I’d give him one last shot at it. What’s the harm to know for sure?
Well, the harm might be that we are sitting here three years from now in the same state of a re-build because Bill can’t construct a roster on offense anymore. I get that you are saying you’d be OK with that because you are sentimental, but I don’t think the Krafts can afford to be.

I’m very torn, I sort of can’t wrap my head around Bill not leaving on his own terms. But I just can’t get past the feeling that he should not be the guy in charge of the upcoming draft.
 

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I hope they bring Bill back for one last ride in 2024. But I’m a sentimental guy who would’ve been fine with them bringing Brady back for as many years as he wanted to play, cap be damned.

And I would’ve been fine with Ainge bringing back Pierce and Garnet for a couple more .500 seasons, because I loved those guys wearing green so much.

But that’s the thing. If they move on from BB they better find their Tatum and Brown in this draft.

Some folks are convinced Bill can’t return to form. I’m not so sure. I’d give him one last shot at it. What’s the harm to know for sure?
I think I’m kind of landing here too. Worried that he will fuck up the draft, but if he does…well, there will be another one the next year.
 

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Well, the harm might be that we are sitting here three years from now in the same state of a re-build because Bill can’t construct a roster on offense anymore. I get that you are saying you’d be OK with that because you are sentimental, but I don’t think the Krafts can afford to be.

I’m very torn, I sort of can’t wrap my head around Bill not leaving on his own terms. But I just can’t get past the feeling that he should not be the guy in charge of the upcoming draft.
I said one more season. 2024. If things don’t improve dramatically (and I’m literally talking playoffs) then he’s done. So there’d be no “three years from now” scenario.
 

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He's going to be 72. The track record of guys finding renewed success at that age isn't good. He's stuck in his ways. I'd rather cut bait a year early than a year too late aka what Belichick has done for years with players. This is Tom Landry 2.0.
Kind of a small sample size though. One more season. Playoffs or bust. I don’t think it’s unreasonable.
 

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I said one more season. 2024. If things don’t improve dramatically (and I’m literally talking playoffs) then he’s done. So there’d be no “three years from now” scenario.
I want Bill to stay as anyone who has read this thread knows, but it can't just be one year. It has to be another 3 years.

If it's one year and playoffs of bust, move on.

I might be the most optimistic person about the quality of this team here, but I want a long term plan for success, not a leader making decisions to lose in the wild card round.
 

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I want Bill to stay as anyone who has read this thread knows, but it can't just be one year. It has to be another 3 years.

If it's one year and playoffs of bust, move on.

I might be the most optimistic person about the quality of this team here, but I want a long term plan for success, not a leader making decisions to lose in the wild card round.
Kraft can’t commit to 3 years. That’s a non starter.

This isn’t college, BB doesn’t need 3 years to rebuild. He can get this team to 10 wins and the playoffs next season while building a stronger foundation. Or if he can’t then cut him loose.

*edit* I mean the Texans were 3-13-1 last season.
 

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Kind of a small sample size though. One more season. Playoffs or bust. I don’t think it’s unreasonable.
I mean, it might be if you’re starting over at QB, either with a flotsam FA or a top 3 pick in the draft. We know the defense will be fine, barring a significant change in that part of the roster, but however they choose to start over, it’ll be a work in progress throughout 2024.

The age thing is as much a complication as BB’s status as football czar. Even if he cedes some roster construction control, you might be as little as a year away from having to replace him. Is it worth keeping him around for 1-2 years if:

-That’s all he has left, and
-He won’t have a team that can do much better than 3rd in the division/6th in conference with that time?

I don’t envy RKK and Son on this. There are so many ways that this can go wrong for a franchise that has had one two-decade run of any kind or relevance.
 

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I think it's pretty clear that he's still an elite head coach. What I'd want to see if I were a Patriots fan is a way to keep him as head coach but have somebody else as GM.
 

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But is there any chance it can be framed as preparing for the inevitable transition? Like, not a rejection of his talent evaluation as much as securing the guy to build the teams of 2025 onward?
Maybe, but the effect is the same: a reduction of duties after years and years of having full control.
 

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I said one more season. 2024. If things don’t improve dramatically (and I’m literally talking playoffs) then he’s done. So there’d be no “three years from now” scenario.
Yes but if they draft a QB this year and he’s not good you are looking at another re-set three years from now when you are going to be looking to draft another QB.
 

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Yes but if they draft a QB this year and he’s not good you are looking at another re-set three years from now when you are going to be looking to draft another QB.
Given bust rate on QBs, that could easily be the case even if BB is gone this week.
 

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They’re regurgitating what has been out there, just less carefully than Schefter, Rapoport, Reiss, etc.
I don’t know — they are reporting it as basically a done deal in a way that seems hard to walk back. I have been firmly in the camp that has been super skeptical that he really would leave but this reporting seems close to definitive.
 

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Are there any signs at all that point to Belichick remaining with the Patriots? Everything points to this being it as far as I can tell. If he was sticking around, RKK would have shot down the rumors months ago.
 
I said one more season. 2024. If things don’t improve dramatically (and I’m literally talking playoffs) then he’s done. So there’d be no “three years from now” scenario.
Honestly, this is a crazy way to make decisions. Bill has a good draft, including a promising QB and another player or two, the team looks much improved, they go 9-8 with significant reasons to be hopeful going forward.....and you're firing him because he didn't make the playoffs? It's insanity.

Let the guy make his decisions and evaluate him on those. Don't make it about results per se, and certainly don't give him a hard-to-reach target that forces any kind of long-term thinking to go out of the window and then fire him for not reaching it.
 

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Honestly, this is a crazy way to make decisions. Bill has a good draft, including a promising QB and another player or two, the team looks much improved, they go 9-8 with significant reasons to be hopeful going forward.....and you're firing him because he didn't make the playoffs? It's insanity.

Let the guy make his decisions and evaluate him on those. Don't make it about results per se, and certainly don't give him a hard-to-reach target that forces any kind of long-term thinking to go out of the window and then fire him for not reaching it.
What kind of long-term thinking is going on with a 72 year old? Your post I agree with in total, but let's not pretend like BB is really invested in the long-term decisions he's making for this franchise.
 

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Honestly, this is a crazy way to make decisions. Bill has a good draft, including a promising QB and another player or two, the team looks much improved, they go 9-8 with significant reasons to be hopeful going forward.....and you're firing him because he didn't make the playoffs? It's insanity.

Let the guy make his decisions and evaluate him on those. Don't make it about results per se, and certainly don't give him a hard-to-reach target that forces any kind of long-term thinking to go out of the window and then fire him for not reaching it.
Well then get rid of him today if it’s not about “results per se”.
 

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What actual news has come out? They keep saying “the word is out”. What word?
My guess is that the talking heads know who Glazer's source is and know its legit. That doesn't mean its done but that's why its now being openly discussed on the broadcasts. Of course, if its wrong Glazer can just come up with a follow up exclusive how they repaired things at the last second. But that seems unlikely.
 

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What actual news has come out? They keep saying “the word is out”. What word?
Officially... Nothing. Unofficially it's pretty clear that a bunch of nationals and local people have from a source (likely one whose last name is Kraft) that it's a done deal
 

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I want Belichick to come back if for no other reason than to have rendered so many hours spent by so many to have been such an epic waste of time.

Like, even more than usual.
 
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