......traded Jacoby when they knew Jimmy G was not going to sign a long-term contract.We are very spoiled; almost *never* having to start a sentence about the Patriots with "I'm still trying to figure out why the Patriots . . . ."
......traded Jacoby when they knew Jimmy G was not going to sign a long-term contract.We are very spoiled; almost *never* having to start a sentence about the Patriots with "I'm still trying to figure out why the Patriots . . . ."
I don't know the rules of Pop Warner and high school football, but at some point in their development players learn (or are taught) to lead with their helmets and get rewarded for it. HS and college should institute automatic ejection and suspension for players leading with their helmets, period.This is correct.
There is also the issue that you want head impacts to be "glancing blows." The sticking points that could be caused by soft helmets would probably lead to more neck injuries.
The next step in this isn't about the protection, but rather how the game is played. The NFL has to embrace the college Targeting rules, and the penalties need to be very severe. It's not a panacea, but it would be a very positive next step to avoid the kind of shit we saw last night.
Yeah I agree, that's basically what I meant. The players were disgraceful in that game last night.Is it the game or the players who are the disgrace? It seems like everyone BUT the players want to see the head injuries stop. Last night, Pitt and Cinncy were actively trying to injure each other. Gronk actively tried to injury a prone player on Sunday.
If the players won't respect each other to not try to kill themselves, it isn't the game's fault.
As it usually is, it's the obvious answer....."because they don't think Brissett is all that good."......traded Jacoby when they knew Jimmy G was not going to sign a long-term contract.
No one leads with their head at the youth level, and they certainly aren't taught to do so. In fact, there is a huge "heads up" education effort being done there.I don't know the rules of Pop Warner and high school football, but at some point in their development players learn (or are taught) to lead with their helmets and get rewarded for it. HS and college should institute automatic ejection and suspension for players leading with their helmets, period.
Good point about the glancing blow.This is correct.
There is also the issue that you want head impacts to be "glancing blows." The sticking points that could be caused by soft helmets would probably lead to more neck injuries.
The next step in this isn't about the protection, but rather how the game is played. The NFL has to embrace the college Targeting rules, and the penalties need to be very severe. It's not a panacea, but it would be a very positive next step to avoid the kind of shit we saw last night.
I will echo what BMHH stated. At no point in youth, or HS football are players taught to lead with their helmets. Head down, yes. Using head as a weapon (or leading with head), no. Not even close. Players are taught that they have to keep their body low, head to the side (helmet upfield), and drive through the hit/tackle with their shoulders.I don't know the rules of Pop Warner and high school football, but at some point in their development players learn (or are taught) to lead with their helmets and get rewarded for it. HS and college should institute automatic ejection and suspension for players leading with their helmets, period.
I figured that was the case and it's good to know. So sounds like harsher penalties in college and especially the NFL are the way to go.I will echo what BMHH stated. At no point in youth, or HS football are players taught to lead with their helmets. Head down, yes. Using head as a weapon (or leading with head), no. Not even close. Players are taught that they have to keep their body low, head to the side (helmet upfield), and drive through the hit/tackle with their shoulders.
When I coached both youth and HS, every single year we showed a video on how to tackle/hit properly, and what the ramifications are for not following that procedure. Same video, same kids, every year. Trust me, it sinks in for 90+% of them.
No is it possible that leading with the head is learned, from watching NFL or college players? Sure, it is possible. But some kids just never learn.
I dont know if UNH still has the occasional helmet-less practice.I will echo what BMHH stated. At no point in youth, or HS football are players taught to lead with their helmets. Head down, yes. Using head as a weapon (or leading with head), no. Not even close. Players are taught that they have to keep their body low, head to the side (helmet upfield), and drive through the hit/tackle with their shoulders.
When I coached both youth and HS, every single year we showed a video on how to tackle/hit properly, and what the ramifications are for not following that procedure. Same video, same kids, every year. Trust me, it sinks in for 90+% of them.
No is it possible that leading with the head is learned, from watching NFL or college players? Sure, it is possible. But some kids just never learn.
Juju aside, though, aren't the majority of targeting/spearing plays done by defensive players? If so, that'd mitigate your fantasy/stars point a good bit.This is where the NFL talks the talk without walking the walk(I hate that expression, but it fits here). Enforcing targeting and spearing ejections, just like strict compliance with concussion protocol(which I still believe they're soft on) will result in stars missing time. The teams don't want that, and, in the end, the league really doesn't want that. And fans, even those who wring their hands about head injuries, don't want that if it affects their fantasy teams. Or their favorite team's playoff chances.
This is why it's tougher to do than in college, where it's less star driven and more "next man up." But it's still a very important next step if the NFL is at all serious about the problem.
Link to the "head's up" program.No one leads with their head at the youth level, and they certainly aren't taught to do so. In fact, there is a huge "heads up" education effort being done there.
The issue is that these kids get mixed messages, being taught one thing but seeing the best players in the world do another, with minimal repercussions. Not only does the league need to embrace targeting, but they need to start calling spearing again. It's a bit of a strange penalty, because it's often called on the player that gets hurt--last night, Shazier "should" have been called for spearing. But the fact is, what he did was a textbook example of how not to tackle, and it should be penalized every time, regardless of how bad we feel for him.
Amongst other things that could be done -- how about two personal fouls on a single play is an automatic ejection.Perhaps the dumbest thing from last night was that CIN could only accept the taunting penalty or the personal foul for the hit on Burfict. I get the taunting penalty is slightly more serious since it can lead to ejection (which is a joke in and of itself). But if you hit someone illegally in the head, taunt them and they leave on the stretcher, a single 15yd penalty feels a little light.
IMO, Should have been 2 penalties:Perhaps the dumbest thing from last night was that CIN could only accept the taunting penalty or the personal foul for the hit on Burfict. I get the taunting penalty is slightly more serious since it can lead to ejection (which is a joke in and of itself). But if you hit someone illegally in the head, taunt them and they leave on the stretcher, a single 15yd penalty feels a little light.
It was 2 penalties and the unnecessary roughness was declined because CIN couldn't accept 2 15yd penalties on the same play, hence my this is really stupid comment.IMO, Should have been 2 penalties:
-During the play, unnecessary roughness.
-After the play, unsportsmanlike conduct-taunting
Not sure if those can happen per NFL rules
Like the baseball manager who gets automatically tossed with the pitcher after a post-warning HBP.Amongst other things that could be done -- how about two personal fouls on a single play is an automatic ejection.
I also think there could be grounds for both coaches being suspended. What happened last night was ridiculous and it's not the first time.
My poorly worded point was that if 1 penalty was ruled to occur after the play was over, would it be a 2nd penalty on 1 play. My wording sucks, my theory probably sucks as well. But I think that it should be allowed to happen (the 2 penalties on 1 play thing).It was 2 penalties and the unnecessary roughness was declined because CIN couldn't accept 2 15yd penalties on the same play, hence my this is really stupid comment.
It's never happened because coaches weren't included in unsportsmanlike penalties. That changed this season. Along with the "2 and your out". So it could happen.......Like the baseball manager who gets automatically tossed with the pitcher after a post-warning HBP.
(although I dont think I've ever seen a football coach get ejected. That would be some kind of mayhem.
Although buried deeply in the Patriots' Book of Stuff, there's probably a few pages of "In case BB gets ejected, the following protocols shall be observed...."))
I don't think that is clear at all. He lowered his head and, imo, clearly was looking to hit with helmet and shoulder up high. Clearly looking to injure.It's clear he was aiming to hit with his shoulder and got some helmet
Should have looked before I posted. Surprised the Giants didn't pass the hat before a game to take up a collection for a player to go batshit during a game and get McAdoo ejected.It's never happened because coaches weren't included in unsportsmanlike penalties. That changed this season. Along with the "2 and your out". So it could happen.......
McAdoo would have to go batshit. Twice.Should have looked before I posted. Surprised the Giants didn't pass the hat before a game to take up a collection for a player to go batshit during a game and get McAdoo ejected.
My density level is high today.. So the coach has to get the PFs? Its not a "you, too," like in baseball? Oh well.McAdoo would have to go batshit. Twice.
In the last preseason game BB has the coordinators take off the 2nd half so that the next in line assumes command, but I don't think he has anyone take over for him...Like the baseball manager who gets automatically tossed with the pitcher after a post-warning HBP.
(although I dont think I've ever seen a football coach get ejected. That would be some kind of mayhem.
Although buried deeply in the Patriots' Book of Stuff, there's probably a few pages of "In case BB gets ejected, the following protocols shall be observed...."))
I'm having trouble squaring the JuJu suspension with Jarvis Landry not being suspended last year for his hit on Aaron Williams, but maybe the taunting was the differentiator. They might have to get rid of these crackback blocks though. Someone is going to get messed up.https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/juju-smith-schuster-injures-vontaze-burfict-on-blindside-block-and-everyone-is-furious/
The first clip you see his head move left just before impact. That angle you almost doubt helmet to helmet.
The second slo mo clip the helmet to helmet is very apparent, and the right side of JJSS' head hits Burfict's head at about the same time his right shoulder hits Burfict on the left side of his chest.
I personally don't see intent to injure, others may interpret differently. Never launched, his feet were planted and he went up on his toes.
Curious to see how the appeal/no appeal plays out and whether JJSS or Iloka will be successful.
The Floyd block in Miami last year: if that happened this year do you think he gets suspended?I'm having trouble squaring the JuJu suspension with Jarvis Landry not being suspended last year for his hit on Aaron Williams, but maybe the taunting was the differentiator. They might have to get rid of these crackback blocks though. Someone is going to get messed up.
That wasn't even a penalty. He was running sideline to sideline and the contact was 100% shoulder. If not a penalty, how would it be a fine or suspension? Clean, legal hit, though one the competition committee may outlaw this coming offseasonThe Floyd block in Miami last year: if that happened this year do you think he gets suspended?
Clean legal hit at the time; but I do believe they've already changed the rules on that type of hit.That wasn't even a penalty. He was running sideline to sideline and the contact was 100% shoulder. If not a penalty, how would it be a fine or suspension? Clean, legal hit, though one the competition committee may outlaw this coming offseason
This is what the point of emphasis was for this yearClean legal hit at the time; but I do believe they've already changed the rules on that type of hit.
I agree, but they shouldn't have fired Crennel, either.Lerner should have never fired Mangini. First, he never should have brought in Holmgren, but he definitely shouldn’t have let Holmgren Fire Mangini.
Agreed, the taunting was the thing that really stood out about that, the helmet hit was not as obvious depending on which camera angle you saw. Iloka's hit was actually more blatant IMHO, but there was no taunting or other factors.From the sounds of it (i.e. talk radio) the JuJu hit was just as much for the taunting than the hit itself. The NFL's statement apparently alluded to it a couple times.