Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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Thin is too strong a word, maybe just overexposed when asked to lead. If they were going to change this show to add, say, a Michael Holley (who is very prone to going down ratholes, btw), then I'd prefer they left Mazz and added a third over replacing Mazz. He's not great but he's not bad, stronger than I expected to be sure, but he can't make Gaspar or Adam Jones interesting, whereas Felger to some extent can make both those guys and Mazz interesting
 

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Thin is too strong a word, maybe just overexposed when asked to lead. If they were going to change this show to add, say, a Michael Holley (who is very prone to going down ratholes, btw), then I'd prefer they left Mazz and added a third over replacing Mazz. He's not great but he's not bad, stronger than I expected to be sure, but he can't make Gaspar or Adam Jones interesting, whereas Felger to some extent can make both those guys and Mazz interesting
What???? You'd take Mazz over Holley? Are you shitting me? Say what you want about Holley and going down ratholes, but at least he makes sense. Felger is the same way, I don't always agree with what he says, but he knows how to present an argument where you can tell he has put some kind of logic behind his thinking. It might be flawed logic but you can at least figure out where he came to his opinion and he has no problem admitting he is wrong.

I've said this a number of times, but Felger also admits that he has his "binkies" that can do no wrong.

Mazz on the other hand just gets his panties in a bunch, clings to his facts which are really opinions, and whines when you disagree with him and rarely admits when he is wrong.

Give me Felger and Holley please, they will destroy the Big Show.
 

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What???? You'd take Mazz over Holley? Are you shitting me? Say what you want about Holley and going down ratholes, but at least he makes sense. Felger is the same way, I don't always agree with what he says, but he knows how to present an argument where you can tell he has put some kind of logic behind his thinking. It might be flawed logic but you can at least figure out where he came to his opinion and he has no problem admitting he is wrong.

I've said this a number of times, but Felger also admits that he has his "binkies" that can do no wrong.

Mazz on the other hand just gets his panties in a bunch, clings to his facts which are really opinions, and whines when you disagree with him and rarely admits when he is wrong.

Give me Felger and Holley please, they will destroy the Big Show.
Holley? Really? His next opinion will be his first and he's fucking bore. I'm no Mazz fan, but he's better than Micheal frickin Holley.
 

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Eh, I'm not enamored with Holley either, but I think you're overstating the ambivalence of his radio persona. I listen to Dale and Holley's Pats segments during the season, and - while he certainly isn't as, er, 'forceful' as radio (as distinguished from print) Mazz - I never felt he shied away from speaking his mind. I vividly recall a few of his blow-ups during the NBA Finals, for example. I'm not sure what you're listening to here; liking him or not is a separate matter, but you're misrepresenting his persona.

Mazz is not entertaining at all, unless you enjoy listening to the rough equivalent of a small child throwing a temper tantrum over and over and over again. I don't.
 

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Does someone wanna tell Mazz that none of the relievers who were traded are an upgrade to anyone in the Red Sox bullpen, and that there were no every day outfielders traded, and that those are the only two holes on the Red Sox. But they're giving up on the team because they didn't go the extra mile for Kerry Wood who sucks. That guy upthread is right, I'm not really sure why I listen.

edit: didn't hear the Jack call, but sadly they didn't choose it for "call of the day", instead they picked some knuckle dragger who went on an anti-Red Sox rant, regurgitating everything F/M have been saying. I thought they loved dissenting opinions? I think they love saying that more than they actually believe it.
 

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You seem to hate this program. Why are you listening?
Can't speak for him, but for myself? I usually like Felger, especially when they're talking basketball or hockey, or some versions of football, but I tuned in yesterday to both of them stating that Kraft's comment of "Brady will be in camp, one way or another" in reference to his extension couldn't be interpereted as anything other than a threat to Tom, and in no way a show of faith by a guy who has said numerous times during the offseason that they will extend him, and the statement that the Red Sox threw in the towel on the season by not making a splash in the trade market. I promptly turned on my baseball america podcast I keep in reserve for days like today.

Here are the exact quotes from Kraft in the Times
“He’s going to be here,” Kraft said on the first day of training camp. “I love the guy. We’re so lucky to have him. I have an emotional attachment because I remember him coming in as the fourth quarterback, being a skinny beanpole of a kid.”

“In my mind, he will be,” Kraft said. “One way or another. I believe he wants to be here. We want him here. We have a complicated situation we’re dealing with. There are a lot of forces at work. One way or another it will work out.”
CLEARLY a threat.
 

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You seem to hate this program. Why are you listening?
updated --

I'm going here for the Favre retirement extravanganza ... can't miss ... They'll still be banging the Ellsbury drum on 'EEI, which was ok for yesterday but not today.
 

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updated --

I'm going here for the Favre retirement extravanganza ... can't miss ... They'll still be banging the Ellsbury drum on 'EEI, which was ok for yesterday but not today.
Its going to be gold radio today. I can feel Felger amping up as I type this.
 

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Yeah, Felger said yesterday he's out tues, wed, thurs and then has no more vacation time for rest of year, but it's incredibly disappointing to have to wait until friday to hear him on Favre
 

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I was excited to hear Felger on Favre today. Instead, I got in my car at 4:33 to hear someone other than Felger and Mazz reply "So what you're saying is if the Red Sox signed Teixeira, they would not have had to go down this road at all?" I immediately changed the station and listened to music the whole ride home.

I find myself listening to Felger and Mazz less this summer than I did during the Bruins and Celtics playoff runs. Felger's absence has been part of the problem, but even when he is there the show has suffered. Their baseball conversations have gotten stale and repetitive. Mazz is constantly asserting that the Sox erred in not signing Teixeira and Bay. Felger only seems to want to talk about the team's declining popularity. I'm desperately hoping for some Favre talk tomorrow.
 

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Anybody else following the ongoing evisceration of Josh Beckett by Felger? "Overrated", "Blowhard", "He's Brett Favre"... :lol:
I'm a Beckett fan, but find it really hard to argue any of what Felger is saying.
 

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Anybody else following the ongoing evisceration of Josh Beckett by Felger? "Overrated", "Blowhard", "He's Brett Favre"... :lol:
I'm a Beckett fan, but find it really hard to argue any of what Felger is saying.
Say what we will about Favre, I don't think he has ever let himself go quite like Beckett did leading into the 2008 season. The picture of a gut-sy Beckett with "I Can Has Cheezburger" above him still ranks as one of my favorite athlete pics. Pro athletes: they like beer and buffalo chicken tenders as much as we do!
 

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Another TREEEE-mendous call from Jack in LA today. Felger wisely cut to a break before Mazz started cursing you out on the air.

And then the text message(s) capped it off perfectly: "He offered you an olive branch and you slapped it away." Even Chris Mannix thought it was funny.

Jack, since you get through the call screener, I have a suggestion: Offer to forget about every dumb, stupid, idiotic thing Mazz has said on the air if he will pledge to NEVER, EVER bring up the Teixeira thing as a "missed opportunity". The MFY were always going to top whatever the Sox bid, so the harping on it makes Tony seem dumber than he really is. Give him Bay - it was their own guy, etc. But end the Teixeira references and you guys can go "guy on guy" with love and affection in the future.
 
Another TREEEE-mendous call from Jack in LA today. Felger wisely cut to a break before Mazz started cursing you out on the air.

And then the text message(s) capped it off perfectly: "He offered you an olive branch and you slapped it away." Even Chris Mannix thought it was funny.

Jack, since you get through the call screener, I have a suggestion: Offer to forget about every dumb, stupid, idiotic thing Mazz has said on the air if he will pledge to NEVER, EVER bring up the Teixeira thing as a "missed opportunity". The MFY were always going to top whatever the Sox bid, so the harping on it makes Tony seem dumber than he really is. Give him Bay - it was their own guy, etc. But end the Teixeira references and you guys can go "guy on guy" with love and affection in the future.

Haha. Thanks. BTW, they totally screwed me over on that last call of the day thing they do at the end. They edited 90% of the conversation and made me look like a moron. Tony suggested that because the Sox outfield needs help and they have no middle of the order bat next year (according to Mazz), they should look into trading for Vernon Wells. When I told him he was crazy because of the money, he asked who they have for that next year. Now I thought he was still talking about the OF so I brought up that they Yankees have no middle of the order bat in those positions and he immediately brought up ARod and Tex. I then said ARod wasn't having that type of season but I thought he meant OF options...and of course they edited that out too. And after they hung up on me, Mazz said, "Jack gets on my nerves. I can't stand the guy. He always says the same thing." So I texted, "Good, now you know how your audience feels. You piss me off too but I still love you and the show (no homo)." And of course they only read, "You piss me off too but I still love you and the show".

Jesus Christ...I need to get a life.
 

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No, you don't understand, in Tony's scenario the Blue Jays are eating 70 million dollars! I suppose it would be pointless to explain to him that Kalish is probably, at worst, a slightly lesser player than Wells at this point (but he's not a "middle of the order bat" like Wells with his career .345 wOBA and .362 in his "comeback" season).
 

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The airplane rant was gold.

That's why I I go this show.
 

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Yup. Heard it on my way home and was in hysterics the whole way. They went to commercial so I flipped to 850 and the contrast between the two shows was amazing. They were talking recreational baseball and how kids used to play outside till the sun went down and now they don't, blah blah blah. Lasted 10 seconds on the station before flipping back to commercials on 98.5
 

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Yup. Heard it on my way home and was in hysterics the whole way. They went to commercial so I flipped to 850 and the contrast between the two shows was amazing. They were talking recreational baseball and how kids used to play outside till the sun went down and now they don't, blah blah blah. Lasted 10 seconds on the station before flipping back to commercials on 98.5
I heard the same thing.

Felger was absolutely on fire. Great rant. During a commercial, I check to see what the Big Show is talking about and instantly the smell of old stale farts fills up my car. A senior citizens support group was bemoaning the loss of the great sandlot pickup baseball game, complaining about parents today, and wondering if things could ever go back to the way they used to be. It filled me with sadness. What a jarring contrast.
 

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Is it possible (or just me diving into conspiracy theater madness) that if 98.5 The Sports Hub had the Red Sox radio broadcast contract instead of WEEI, Felger and Mazz would be a whole lot more positive on baseball?
 

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Is it possible (or just me diving into conspiracy theater madness) that if 98.5 The Sports Hub had the Red Sox radio broadcast contract instead of WEEI, Felger and Mazz would be a whole lot more positive on baseball?
Doubtful. They MURDER the Pats and 98.5 is their flagship station.
 

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I think it was 2 weeks ago they were talking about the Pats saying they could be good, but as they saw it the team looked mediocre, and during the show they stated that its in their best interest for the Pats to do well because they own their rights and they were still very critical.
 

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And Felger absolutely went apeshit on the Bruins this year when they did nothing at the trade deadline.
And Felger is still going ape-shit on the Bruins since the end of the season. I loved him calling out the Bruins and asking for an interview with Jacobs on what happened and what they were going to do and the Bruins offered Cam Neely (prior to the promotion) which led Felger on a rant along the lines of "I dont want to talk to him, give me someone who matters, I don't know what Cam does if he does anything. He clearly has no impact on this team so I don't want to waste my time talking to him."


The airplane rant was fantastic. Take a train, take a bus, walk, do anything but don't get on an airplane if you can't fit in the seat.
 

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This week pretty much sums up the above discussion about how bad Mazz is. I would listen to Felger and Adam Jones every day where I couldn't hand 20 minutes of Mazz and Jones.
No doubt...I wonder how much 98.5 is paying Mazz.

Not that I advocate anybody losing their job, but does anybody think the show would be worse if it was Felger hosting with Adam Jones, Marc Betrand, etc? In fact, I actually kind of like Felger with a bunch of sidekicks.

If you want to talk about getting Felgie an actual co-host, then that's a different thing. But given the situation, I don't think the show would suffer if "mic number 2" was a rotation of Jones, Bertrand, Gasper, etc.
 

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Not that I advocate anybody losing their job, but does anybody think the show would be worse if it was Felger hosting with Adam Jones, Marc Betrand, etc? In fact, I actually kind of like Felger with a bunch of sidekicks.
I'm not sure. The biggest difference between Mazz and his replacements seems to be that Bertrand, Jones, and Gasper are more willing to disagree with Felger. Still, I think the show works better with Mazz, but I can't really explain why.
 

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I'm not sure. The biggest difference between Mazz and his replacements seems to be that Bertrand, Jones, and Gasper are more willing to disagree with Felger. Still, I think the show works better with Mazz, but I can't really explain why.
While Mazz is the yes man to Felger 90% of the time, he is good at catching Felger's BS and making fun of him for it. Brings Felger down to Earth a tad after his rants.
 

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Adam Jones was OK with Felger (better than Mazz, anyway), but him in Amendolara's spot was excruciating. Holy mother of god was that painful. "AUGUST 20th IS THE DAY THE RED SOX ARE DONE, I AM CALLING THIS SEASON" - shut the fuck up, seriously.
 

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Adam Jones was OK with Felger (better than Mazz, anyway), but him in Amendolara's spot was excruciating. Holy mother of god was that painful. "AUGUST 20th IS THE DAY THE RED SOX ARE DONE, I AM CALLING THIS SEASON" - shut the fuck up, seriously.
Yeah...not a big Adam Jones guy. But the point is, as a foil to Felger, he works just as well as Mazz.

In fact, I really liked Bertrand on Friday's show. His "rant" on old-time baseball guys was pretty funny.

My point is, I don't think the show would suffer at all if Mazz was replaced with the likes of Bertrand, Jones, Gasper, etc. Now having a real co-host alongside Felger is a whole different conversation, but if we're just going to have a foil there, a lot of guys could do what Mazz does and they wouldn't bring up Mark Teixeira 6 times per show.
 

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So, hitters Felger would rather have than Youkilis (just purely offense):

Braun
Morneau
Longoria

He also listed some guys who belong, but Youkilis "isn't in the top 10". didn't get into specifics but based on the guys he named and comments in the past, it's because Youk isn't a "30 and 100 guy". sigh.
 
So, hitters Felger would rather have than Youkilis (just purely offense):

Braun
Morneau
Longoria

He also listed some guys who belong, but Youkilis "isn't in the top 10". didn't get into specifics but based on the guys he named and comments in the past, it's because Youk isn't a "30 and 100 guy". sigh.
I could only listen to about 15 minutes today but I heard them say that the injuries are an excuse for the "suck ups" but the real problem was Beckett, Lackey, and Papelbon. "Can you imagine if those guys played better? That's easily five more wins". Then Mazz said you also have to consider that the Red Sox ownership weren't willing to add payroll at the deadline.

Then this tidbit after they announced Damon was claimed by the Sox...(almost word for word)
Felger - "Do you think the Sox claimed him to help the NESN ratings?"
Mazz - "Maybe"
Felger - "Well if Damon was in uniform tonight, wouldn't you watch?"
Mazz - "Yeah. It would be one of only two games worth watching this year. That game and the one Manny came back!"

And then the two chuckled for about 10 seconds. One "hater" is fine...but two guys doing it gets real old quick.
 

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I don't see where F&G are wrong about Paps, Beckett and Lackey. Those three guys have killed the Sox this year. Especially Beckett.
 

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Mazz was going on and on about how "since the Sox weren't willing to add payroll at the July deadline, why bother with Damon now?". He willfully ignored how getting Damon via a waiver claim would just mean paying some $ and not surrendering some talent in trade. Total blowhard stuff from Mazz.
 
I don't see where F&G are wrong about Paps, Beckett and Lackey. Those three guys have killed the Sox this year. Especially Beckett.
Absolutely on the bolded part. But they said that injuries were more of "an excuse" for homers and that the biggest factor was those three. If those guys put up the same numbers but they don't get hit by the huge injuries, they're still fighting for the best record in baseball imo.

If a Red Sox fan went into a coma on opening night and woke up today and asked how come they're 5.5 out of the playoffs and "what went wrong?", wouldn't you lead with injuries? Then Mazz can say, "nah, that's kind of an excuse."
 

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Mazz was going on and on about how "since the Sox weren't willing to add payroll at the July deadline, why bother with Damon now?". He willfully ignored how getting Damon via a waiver claim would just mean paying some $ and not surrendering some talent in trade. Total blowhard stuff from Mazz.
That, and the fact that all the Red Sox did was put in a waiver claim, which we wouldn't even know about if the White Sox or Rangers had, too. And the risk of getting stuck with him is so tiny considering his ability to block and how easy it would be for them to discourage him and the fact that the Tigers are not the Marlins.
 

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Am I the only one who gets the feeling that Mazz has something personal against the Red Sox FO? Its like someone with the Red Sox made fun of him one time and now he is on a personal vendetta to be negative about everything they do. My guess is that his beef is with ownership for some reason, or maybe Theo. Either way, the show is truly un-listenable at this point. I enjoy Felger, but he really needs someone who tends to be a bit of a homer to keep him in line. Tony really brings nothing to the table, except for whining and contradictions.
 

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If that's what they believe, the question is, what number of injuries and to which players would it take for them to say that injuries are the reason a team didn't get where it wanted to? Half the starting lineup and 3 starters?

The answer is "injuries" doesn't make for good talk show fodder, because there's really nothing to debate. There has to be players, FO or ownership at fault. At least that's Felger's agenda and we know he wears the pants in this relationship.
 

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Today is an example as to why Felger has surpassed Ordway on afternoon drive.

It's "Patriots' Monday," so "The Big Show" will probably be a lot of talk about steakhouse and line-play. A kiss ass Belichick interview will be featured too.

Whereas Felger is talking about UFC. Now I'm sure it's not great in-depth conversation for hardcore MMA fans. But the point is, Felger is always willing to broaden his horizons. He's willing to talk hockey, soccer, etc. "Felger and Mazz" comes off as far more current than "The Big Show." That's the main difference between the shows right there, and the reason why the ratings gap has narrowed.
 

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Today is an example as to why Felger has surpassed Ordway on afternoon drive.

It's "Patriots' Monday," so "The Big Show" will probably be a lot of talk about steakhouse and line-play. A kiss ass Belichick interview will be featured too.

Whereas Felger is talking about UFC. Now I'm sure it's not great in-depth conversation for hardcore MMA fans. But the point is, Felger is always willing to broaden his horizons. He's willing to talk hockey, soccer, etc. "Felger and Mazz" comes off as far more current than "The Big Show." That's the main difference between the shows right there, and the reason why the ratings gap has narrowed.


Are you sure about this? I sent them an instant feedback chastising them for talking about this bullshit. I'm listening to The Big Show. Jesus Christ? Fucking MMA. Who gives a fuck!
 

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Are you sure about this? I sent them an instant feedback chastising them for talking about this bullshit. I'm listening to The Big Show. Jesus Christ? Fucking MMA. Who gives a fuck!
An avalanche of listeners in the coveted 18-35 demo, I'm sure. You may not like it but it definitely isn't going away.
 

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T+R talked about it this morning too. They said that they were told there was no audience for Bruins talk before the station started, and they've completely obliterated that notion this past season. They feel that MMA could have the same audience, right in their demo, and far be it from them to turn up their nose at it just because it's something they particularly follow.

Sparky, for everyone like you who is turning away b/c they don't care, I bet there are two more people who are tuning in to listen to MMA talk. The market is there for it, for better or worse.
 

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Sparky, for everyone like you who is turning away b/c they don't care, I bet there are two more people who are tuning in to listen to MMA talk. The market is there for it, for better or worse.


Nick, I just came back in here to post that I am wrong. Because the mouth-breathers have lined up to call the show. Too bad. Back to 'EEI I go. Good Lord.
 

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It's a shame UFC 116 didn't happen in Boston because that show would have blown Felger's mind. At least with 118 you had the freakshow appeal of Couture/Toney, which is good talk show fodder.
 

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This has nothing to do with Felger, but holy fucking god] is Mazz horrendous in his show after F+M are off the air. He is an utter clown and can't do anything except repeat the same two points over and over and over.

And his voice is perfect for print.
 

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I'm winning my MMA fantasy league. Seriously, that sh*t might be worse than soccer.

4 hours of MMA talk today, with Felger repeating the same 2-3 talking points did get a bit tiresome, but I give him credit for trying.

One thing I like about Felger is that you can tell he's really enthusiastic about his job. He wants to put on an entertaining program. The polar opposite to a guy like Mazz, who freely admits that he didn't watch the PPV, didn't watch the World Cup, routinely misses chunks of Celtics games, etc. I thought the cardinal rule in the business was to never admit you didn't see something?

I appreciate the effort to be different. Felger puts on a far more current program than Ordway. Morning and afternoon drive on 98.5 are clearly directed towards 18-34, and I think they're crushing it with that demographic. It's probably close with 34-49, and EEI is probably crushing 98.5 with 49-54.

I think we'll continue to see more trends in this direction.