Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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QUOTE (AquaNarc @ Jun 9 2010, 07:39 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3014416
It is a little tiring when he uses a guy releasing a rap record as evidence of his poor "makeup" or character.


Was he talking about JJ Redick?
 
QUOTE (fairlee76 @ Jun 8 2010, 12:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3012106
In reality, the NBA has become soft in an attempt to appeal to guys like Felger; lily-white Red Staters who crap their pants at the sight of an African-American dude with a few tattoos.


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I get that Felger is a liberal; but to listen to him talk about the NBA you would think he is cut from the same cloth as a lot of the rednecks I grew up with in Maine.


So you're calling Felger a racist?
 

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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Jun 9 2010, 01:06 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3014726
So you're calling Felger a racist?

Felger is not a racist. I do think he doesn't fully appreciate the cultural divide that exists between guys like him (and me) and the majority of NBA players. The fact that he is not a basketball guy and plays the skeptic in any discussion seems to make his NBA talk more negative than it need be.

Great avatar. Looking forward to next Sunday.
 
QUOTE (fairlee76 @ Jun 9 2010, 09:26 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3014754
Felger is not a racist. I do think he doesn't fully appreciate the cultural divide that exists between guys like him (and me) and the majority of NBA players. The fact that he is not a basketball guy and plays the skeptic in any discussion seems to make his NBA talk more negative than it need be.

Great avatar. Looking forward to next Sunday.


Okay, I thought that was your point. And I agree that you can be anti NBA (and anti "hip hop" culture for that matter) without being a racist - "cultural divide" is very appropriate.

I'm with you, can't wait until Sunday. I have DirecTv so I get the East Coast feed from AMC. Most of my friends out here have cable so they normally have to wait until 10pm PST before they can view it...so of course they're all coming to my house because they can't take the delay. It's been a great season and I'm expecting a big season finale.
 

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Felger with an absolute tour de force today, using his program as a platform to shine a light on the cozy relationship between Tim Donaghy and one of tonight's NBA Finals referees, Scott Foster. Felger went through the FBI phone records and listed multiple examples of Donaghy calling Foster, then calling his bookie, and then calling Foster again. Numerous examples exist of this pattern during Donaghy's betting reign. The calls were always short, either one or two minutes. Also, Donaghy had three phones registered, one of which was used exclusively for betting purposes. The calls to Foster were on this betting telephone.

Bob Ryan was later on as a guest, and Felger asked him about it. Now Bob is probably the most respected living basketball writer in the business, going back to the Celtics beat in the 1960's. Bob's response was essentially that he's stunned that, after the FBI investigation, Scott Foster still has a job in the NBA. Ryan is appalled that Foster is actually working an NBA Finals game tonight. Bob then said that tonight's referee assignments, which also includes the controversial Eddie F. Rush, are basically "an F.U. from the league". Compelling radio today, and I'm certainly not a Felger fan.
 

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QUOTE (JohnnyTheBone @ Jun 10 2010, 05:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3016696
Felger with an absolute tour de force today, using his program as a platform to shine a light on the cozy relationship between Tim Donaghy and one of tonight's NBA Finals referees, Scott Foster. Felger went through the FBI phone records and listed multiple examples of Donaghy calling Foster, then calling his bookie, and then calling Foster again. Numerous examples exist of this pattern during Donaghy's betting reign. The calls were always short, either one or two minutes. Also, Donaghy had three phones registered, one of which was used exclusively for betting purposes. The calls to Foster were on this betting telephone.

Bob Ryan was later on as a guest, and Felger asked him about it. Now Bob is probably the most respected living basketball writer in the business, going back to the Celtics beat in the 1960's. Bob's response was essentially that he's stunned that, after the FBI investigation, Scott Foster still has a job in the NBA. Ryan is appalled that Foster is actually working an NBA Finals game tonight. Bob then said that tonight's referee assignments, which also includes the controversial Eddie F. Rush, are basically "an F.U. from the league". Compelling radio today, and I'm certainly not a Felger fan.

IIRC, Felger discussed those same phone logs last October (I only remember b/c I was driving to a friend's wedding) and it made for great radio. Damning, damning stuff and it is amazing that Foster still has a job. Topics like this are where Felger is at his best - he, like Rajon Rondo, performs best when on the attack.
 

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I missed Felger's take on Scott Foster, but I did hear his tirade against the Crying Game aka Jeremy "Styles" Roenick. He ripped JR for being a moron who could have used the time in college to learn a few life lessons; brought up the fact that he was one of the ringleaders of the room demolitions at the Nagano Olympics that were an embarrassment to USA Hockey. And he pulled out this inflammatory quote by JR from the mid-90s lockout that set hockey back many years in the public eye:

"We're going to try to make it better for everybody, period, end of subject. And if you don't realize that, then don't come.
We don't want you at the rink, we don't want you in the stadium, we don't want you to watch hockey."

"I say personally, to everybody who called us 'spoiled,' you guys are just jealous."


Whether you agree with him or not, Felger has a talent for eviscerating pro athletes like JR who are so full of themselves. My only fault with his rip job on Roenick was that he didn't use the term "attention whore," which is really what he was last night when he cried because he didn't ever win a cup. He just didn't get that last night wasn't about him.
 

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Yuck. Mazz has been as much of a non-factor today as Andrew Bynum was in game 5.

He still hasn't expressed any confidence in the Celtics, but also hasn't expressed any confidence in the Lakers. Felger has led on all basketball talk these past few weeks, even though his dislike of the game is well known. Still though, he has provided more commentary than Massarotti.

And now won't even come out and say he dislikes soccer. Pick an argument and go at Felger a little bit.

It's really just the "Mike Felger Show" at this point except on a much bigger platform than 890 AM. I like Felger, so that isn't a problem for me, but Mazz is hardly an equal co-host on this show.
 

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QUOTE (fairlee76 @ Jun 10 2010, 05:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3016702
IIRC, Felger discussed those same phone logs last October (I only remember b/c I was driving to a friend's wedding) and it made for great radio. Damning, damning stuff and it is amazing that Foster still has a job. Topics like this are where Felger is at his best - he, like Rajon Rondo, performs best when on the attack.


I thought Ryan's return on that was interesting, thinking that Foster must have something to hang over the heads of the NBA/Stern.
 

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Way to piss in the Cheerios today, Felger. Instead of talking about a potential championship-clinching game, he talks about Pierce opting out and Ray Allen's contract scenario. Mazz wants him to opt out.

That click is me turning you off.
 

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QUOTE (RedOctober3829 @ Jun 15 2010, 02:51 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3025055
Way to piss in the Cheerios today, Felger. Instead of talking about a potential championship-clinching game, he talks about Pierce opting out and Ray Allen's contract scenario. Mazz wants him to opt out.

That click is me turning you off.

It's unbelievable, I flip over and they're talking contracts, I flip back a while later and they're talking about soccer, flip over again a little later and they're talking about the Bruins?
 

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QUOTE (judyb @ Jun 15 2010, 05:43 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3025291
It's unbelievable, I flip over and they're talking contracts, I flip back a while later and they're talking about soccer, flip over again a little later and they're talking about the Bruins?



I'm OK with it. I can stand baseketball and I've had enough fucking basketball talk. I hope the Celtics win. Great. And I know they have to talk basketball. But I'd rather listen to baseball talk, and hockey talk, and, fuck my life, soccer talk. I understand, though, the importance of basketball talk now. So, I have really been listening to the show much the past several days.


I did make a brief foray onto 'EEI yesterday. I was treated to Dauber and Bradford talking ....... guess what? Basketball.

Brutal.
 
QUOTE (RedOctober3829 @ Jun 15 2010, 10:51 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3025055
Way to piss in the Cheerios today, Felger. Instead of talking about a potential championship-clinching game, he talks about Pierce opting out and Ray Allen's contract scenario. Mazz wants him to opt out.

That click is me turning you off.


The bigger problem was that they didn't know the rules of the CBA. They talked for an hour about how it would be advantageous for the Celts if Pierce opted out of his contract giving them cap space to sign a free agent AND then go back and re-sign Pierce using the Larry Bird exception (signing your own players allows you to go over the cap). The problem is you can't do that as a way to circumvent the cap. A texter informed them of this and Felger's answer was something all the lines of "well I'm not 100% sure of what they can or can't do, but Ryen Rusillo told me it can happen"....really...? WTF Felger, you gotta do better than that.
 

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The bigger problem was that they didn't know the rules of the CBA. They talked for an hour about how it would be advantageous for the Celts if Pierce opted out of his contract giving them cap space to sign a free agent AND then go back and re-sign Pierce using the Larry Bird exception (signing your own players allows you to go over the cap). The problem is you can't do that as a way to circumvent the cap. A texter informed them of this and Felger's answer was something all the lines of "well I'm not 100% sure of what they can or can't do, but Ryen Rusillo told me it can happen"....really...? WTF Felger, you gotta do better than that.

Gary Tanguay was yammering on about this when he was still in the 10 - 2 slot (maybe around the trade deadline?). He was hesitant to believe the callers and texters telling him that it is an impossibility under the CBA. Amusing/frustrating that Felger made the same mistake.
 

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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Jun 15 2010, 06:59 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3025356
The bigger problem was that they didn't know the rules of the CBA. They talked for an hour about how it would be advantageous for the Celts if Pierce opted out of his contract giving them cap space to sign a free agent AND then go back and re-sign Pierce using the Larry Bird exception (signing your own players allows you to go over the cap). The problem is you can't do that as a way to circumvent the cap. A texter informed them of this and Felger's answer was something all the lines of "well I'm not 100% sure of what they can or can't do, but Ryen Rusillo told me it can happen"....really...? WTF Felger, you gotta do better than that.


Why screw with the narrative? It's much more fun on this end of the dial to pretend that all Boston teams operate with no financial constraints, so when they fail, it's because they are CHEAP.

You probably shouldn't be plowing this territory on the eve of a potential championship clinching game. But if you're going to do it, at least know the damn rules.
 
QUOTE (Sparky Lyle @ Jun 16 2010, 10:38 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3027187
Anybody listening now?

You should be.


I just listened to it. I can't believe how much of a sucker I am. After the Cam comments and the Jacobs interview I'm thinking about moving back to Boston and buying season tickets. Say what you want about JJ, but when he wants to, he can be shockingly charismatic. Maybe it's all just hot air and rhetoric, but I thought the organization actually came off very well. You're right Sparky, good stuff.
 

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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Jun 16 2010, 04:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3027340
Care to fill those of us that didn't hear it in?


"We need a trophy, a big one, thats what we need"

A few highlights:

-Team Underperformed during the year.
-They performed well in the playoffs until second round, but was not surprised with the result given how they performed during the year, still dissapointed with the result.
-Kessel trade potentially greatest thing Chia has done so far.
-Wants Cam to lead with Passion.
-Leadership team has his full trust.
-"We aren't where we need to be, we need to win the cup for us to be really back"

Thats just the first 5 mins, it goes on for about 12
 

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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Jun 16 2010, 02:53 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3027206
I just listened to it. I can't believe how much of a sucker I am. After the Cam comments and the Jacobs interview I'm thinking about moving back to Boston and buying season tickets. Say what you want about JJ, but when he wants to, he can be shockingly charismatic. Maybe it's all just hot air and rhetoric, but I thought the organization actually came off very well. You're right Sparky, good stuff.


I can't believe you fell for it again, sucker. JJ could care less what "Clod" does, so long as they get to Round 2 and sell more concessions than the forecast predicts.
 
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I can't believe you fell for it again, sucker. JJ could care less what "Clod" does, so long as they get to Round 2 and sell more concessions than the forecast predicts.


I'm sure you're absolutely right...........but when I listen to Neely then hear JJ about how bad they want to win the cup, I start to think just maybe things are going to be different. They're spending to the cap limit, they've got a decent core of young guys, a franchise goalie, the #2 pick in the draft. Fuck it, I'm moving home, they're gonna do it.

 

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Listening to the interview with Cam was like someone tearing the scab off a wound you'd like to forget.

He made excuses about injuries and basically glossed over the Philly calamity when Felger gave him an opportunity to voice his displeasure about the way the season ended. It was the opposite of comforting.
 

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Mazz is so damn annoying whenever Felger tries to get the soccer conversation going. We get it Mazz, it isn't your thing, but stop acting like a clown whenever the topic is brought up. It would take about 10 seconds of research to not sound like a complete buffoon for all the casual fans out there that are into it.
 

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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Jun 16 2010, 06:24 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3027476
I'm sure you're absolutely right...........but when I listen to Neely then hear JJ about how bad they want to win the cup, I start to think just maybe things are going to be different. They're spending to the cap limit, they've got a decent core of young guys, a franchise goalie, the #2 pick in the draft. Fuck it, I'm moving home, they're gonna do it.

Did Jacobs ever even mention the Cup? I heard him talk about needing a trophy, but I never heard him say anything about the Stanley Cup. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it seemed like an interesting distinction since I've never heard anyone who cared about hockey talk about winning "the trophy".
 
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Did Jacobs ever even mention the Cup? I heard him talk about needing a trophy, but I never heard him say anything about the Stanley Cup. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it seemed like an interesting distinction since I've never heard anyone who cared about hockey talk about winning "the trophy".


No. You're correct, the idiot called it a "trophy". They got a bunch of calls and texts about it but whatever. I'm sure it's the same old shit from Buffalo, but I do think that they're at least trying to seem more proactive than in the past. But what do I know, I'm still hoping that Julio Lugo signing will work out with a little more patience.
 

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Jesus God, Mazz will not STFU about the freakin' ALL STAR GAME FAN VOTING today. Because clearly no one cares about the Sox this year, because they weren't voted in as starters in a popularity contest of stupidity.

Half the team is on the DL, they're facing a pretty critical couple of weeks, and THIS is what he's focusing on?
 

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With Tanguay filling in for Felger and the trio of Stearns/Burton/Merloni hosting the Big Show, this is the worst weekday afternoon in Boston sports talk radio in quite some time. I cannot believe Mazz is still asserting that the Red Sox were not expected to score many runs this season, stating that only blind homers expected the Sox to perform this well. Never mind the fact that PECOTA projected them to score 808. How long until he plays the Teixeira card?
 

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QUOTE (Ryo Sen @ Jul 2 2010, 04:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3057433
Jesus God, Mazz will not STFU about the freakin' ALL STAR GAME FAN VOTING today. Because clearly no one cares about the Sox this year, because they weren't voted in as starters in a popularity contest of stupidity.

Half the team is on the DL, they're facing a pretty critical couple of weeks, and THIS is what he's focusing on?


I tried to call...the phone lines were busy. On a Friday afternoon in July, on the day before 4th July of weekend.

I listened a bit earlier this week when Bob Beers was co-hosting. I listened for about an hour, and I don't think they took more than 2 calls. The discussion was rational and informative. But it was dull.

It would've been death today for Mazz if he sat there the day before 4th of July weekend and tried to have an in-depth Red Sox discussion with MUFFAH by his side.

This is the kind of topic that's easy to talk about, and brings in all sorts of listener participation. The classic talk radio topic.

I don't love it, but I can understand why this is the topic de jour today.
 

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Enraging statement of the day from Mazz: "The only people who thought this team would be where it is right now going into the season were Yahoos."
 

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So I guess Mazz is admitting that his preseason predictions for this team were wrong. So why should I continue listening to him, when he has basically admitted that his 'expert baseball analysis' really doesn't know jack squat?

I'm pretty sure Theo's expert baseball mind predicted this team would compete, even though Mazz and his kind were totally willing to tear Theo a new one going into this season...

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Enraging statement of the day from Mazz: "The only people who thought this team would be where it is right now going into the season were Yahoos."
 

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As bad as Mazz has been, Tanguay has been worse, in my opinion. Some highlights from his Ellsbury commentary?
-The Sox missed something terrible with his rib injuries, thus allowing his Arizona trip. As if there was a huge treatment difference between bruised and cracked ribs.
-Ellsbury is a dynamic leadoff hitter
-Ellsbury is an immediate defensive upgrade in center, stating that there was no real reason for Cameron to have bumped him to left
-A single and a steal is just as important as a double. He didn't even understand the basic concept of a double with a decent runner on first can frequently plate said runner.
-Loads of intangibles.
 

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QUOTE (AquaNarc @ Jul 2 2010, 04:50 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3057517
Enraging statement of the day from Mazz: "The only people who thought this team would be where it is right now going into the season were Yahoos."


I hope this isnt the case because it means he is going to BigShow levels, but I wonder if Mazz was trying to do something to get folks jacked and pumped because he knew Gary simply isnt as entertaining as Felger?
 

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I think it's just that it's the only reason he can imagine that anyone could have disagreed with him about the talent level of the team. If you think the way he does about how baseball works, there's no other explanation for believing the Red Sox were in the same league, the Red Sox only have good players, the others have great ones.
 

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Today was one of the few days where I had to change to EEI...I couldn't stand hearing another hour about "how cheap the Red Sox are." Granted, the discussion has some merit with the reports today, but it's been soooo over done on the show. Mazz brought up Teixeira and 2006 references several times in the span of a few minutes. So it definitely was a good day for him.

But yeah, it's not that some points of the conversation aren't worth talking about. It's just that they talk about alllll the time. It's predictable, which is something that I don't think the show usually is.
 

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I haven't taken the time to read this whole thread, but what strikes me more than anything about Mazz is that he never finishes a thought without interjecting 45 clarifiers that usually begin with the words "look" and "and again."

He always sounds like this: "David Ortiz has struggled and . . . look, I'm not the first guy to say this . . .and look, it's not like the management can complain, but you gotta believe that his recent struggle has subsided and . . . and again, the numbers don't lie, he's improved, but against left handers well . . . look, what are his career numbers against lefthanders, anyway?"

He is the most uneconomical speaker in the history of talk radio. Felger is terse compared to him.

For this reason, I can't listen to him for very long.
 

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He always sounds like this: "David Ortiz has struggled and . . . look, I'm not the first guy to say this . . .and look, it's not like the management can complain, but you gotta believe that his recent struggle has subsided and . . . and again, the numbers don't lie, he's improved, but against left handers well . . . look, what are his career numbers against lefthanders, anyway?"
Independent of that - and I'm sorry for cutting you off - Mike ... Look...what this really all goes back to, and I'm sorry to keep harping on this, and again, I'm not saying there weren't any other contributing factors here, but independent of that, the Red Sox had a chance to close the deal with Teixeira.
 

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Independent of that - and I'm sorry for cutting you off - Mike ... Look...what this really all goes back to, and I'm sorry to keep harping on this, and again, I'm not saying there weren't any other contributing factors here, but independent of that, the Red Sox had a chance to close the deal with Teixeira.

That's perfect. It's not even an exaggeration, either. Mazz is a writer, but he's not a clear thinker. His editor must perform triage on everything he writes, or he spends a ton of time cleaning it up himself. He certainly writes better than he talks.
 

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Today was one of the few days where I had to change to EEI...I couldn't stand hearing another hour about "how cheap the Red Sox are." Granted, the discussion has some merit with the reports today, but it's been soooo over done on the show. Mazz brought up Teixeira and 2006 references several times in the span of a few minutes. So it definitely was a good day for him.

But yeah, it's not that some points of the conversation aren't worth talking about. It's just that they talk about alllll the time. It's predictable, which is something that I don't think the show usually is.

Ah, man, me too. The Big Show was pretty good today actually, Butchie notwithstanding. And even he wasn't all that bad. Mazz sure is wearing on me these days.
 
"David Ortiz has struggled and . . . look, I'm not the first guy to say this . . .and look, it's not like the management can complain, but you gotta believe that his recent struggle has subsided and . . . and again, the numbers don't lie, he's improved, but against left handers well . . . look, what are his career numbers against lefthanders, anyway?"

Independent of that - and I'm sorry for cutting you off - Mike ... Look...what this really all goes back to, and I'm sorry to keep harping on this, and again, I'm not saying there weren't any other contributing factors here, but independent of that, the Red Sox had a chance to close the deal with Teixeira.
I almost thought I was listening to the show while reading the above posts. It's funny because like Sparky and Phenom I too made the daunting switch to EEI yesterday. Tony is killing this show right now. If he is actually driving people to a guy from "The Pulse Network", that's saying something.
 

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I almost thought I was listening to the show while reading the above posts. It's funny because like Sparky and Phenom I too made the daunting switch to EEI yesterday. Tony is killing this show right now. If he is actually driving people to a guy from "The Pulse Network", that's saying something.
Listen, I am gonna agree with you here - Mazz hasn't been - and look, this is coming from a guy who likes the show, I was there from the beginning, but again - and I agree with you guys, Mazz has been very, very - let me just put it this way. It has been hard listening to Mazz lately.
 

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This is an example of what I hate about Felger, and I like the guy and I listen and everything but: he has the guy from the Herald on, Lauber, and they're talking about Theo's statement that there aren't really any impact players available this deadline. I think Lauber said he agreed basically, which is obviously anathema to Felger's agenda, so he goes, "I dunno, Prince Fielder...", knowing full well that there is no place or need on this team for Prince Fielder in 2010. Like, it's more important to him to win an argument than be factually correct, or to start an argument (be entertaining) than to be informative. Or maybe he doesn't realize why Fielder makes no sense, it wouldn't surprise me, although that's another topic in and of itself.
 

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This is an example of what I hate about Felger, and I like the guy and I listen and everything but: he has the guy from the Herald on, Lauber, and they're talking about Theo's statement that there aren't really any impact players available this deadline. I think Lauber said he agreed basically, which is obviously anathema to Felger's agenda, so he goes, "I dunno, Prince Fielder...", knowing full well that there is no place or need on this team for Prince Fielder in 2010. Like, it's more important to him to win an argument than be factually correct, or to start an argument (be entertaining) than to be informative. Or maybe he doesn't realize why Fielder makes no sense, it wouldn't surprise me, although that's another topic in and of itself.
This is an topic where it seems both Felger and Mazz lack the typical built-in reality check that they have on other topics. They both are prone to wild generalizations and end up totally out of control. Mazz has been peddling this notion that the Red Sox knew coming into the season that they weren't going to contend and, therefore, they are not going to pursue any trades and they are going to blame it all on injuries. This notion is fairly easily refuted, but is accepted as fact by both of them.

To your point, I actually think Felger doesn't realize why Fielder makes no sense. It is obvious that he is less sophisticated when it comes to baseball than other sports. I appreciate that he is often self-critical and he usually displays enough natural curiosity to try to learn about the issues that he is talking about. For Felger, he can't get over Mike Cameron and his strikeouts. Neither Felger nor Mazz bothered to try an understand the moves the Red Sox made this offseason, so discussions about the Red Sox become this closed-looped feeding frenzy between the two.

They have both been crushing the Red Sox front office. Mazz has called Theo Epstein a liar and thinks that the team is betraying its fans at the deadline. They have talked for hours about deadline deals without explaining a single move that would make sense.

Both of them are guilty of speaking in generalizations about the obvious need to acquire "a big bat" "an impact player" "outfield help" or the need to "upgrade the bullpen." They complain that Theo is going to "let the players down," that their stance "won't go down well in the clubhouse." By this point, like you, I'm thinking "WHO?!?!" I bang my fist in my steering wheel - just name a couple of guys that would make realistic trade options and discuss why. When asked for names, they regularly throw out names like Fielder and Adrian Gonzalez, neither of whom make any sense. Who are you going to drop, Felger? Ortiz, Beltre, or Youkilis!?

The problem with this deadline is that there are no good players available at a reasonable price. The Red Sox can overpay for a decent bullpen arm or an outfielder they might not need in a couple of weeks when everyone gets healthy. What else can they do?

Felger's excuse is his ignorance, but Mazz has no excuse. He's obviously peddling a narrative without looking at the facts (surprise surprise).
 

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They have both been crushing the Red Sox front office. Mazz has called Theo Epstein a liar and thinks that the team is betraying its fans at the deadline. They have talked for hours about deadline deals without explaining a single move that would make sense.

Both of them are guilty of speaking in generalizations about the obvious need to acquire "a big bat" "an impact player" "outfield help" or the need to "upgrade the bullpen." They complain that Theo is going to "let the players down," that their stance "won't go down well in the clubhouse." By this point, like you, I'm thinking "WHO?!?!" I bang my fist in my steering wheel - just name a couple of guys that would make realistic trade options and discuss why. When asked for names, they regularly throw out names like Fielder and Adrian Gonzalez, neither of whom make any sense. Who are you going to drop, Felger? Ortiz, Beltre, or Youkilis!?

Well, then, this is a crushing indictment of them both. Sometimes the purported antidote to Pete Sheppard fanboyism is worse than the disease. This appears to be one of those times. If they are saying these things, they are morons. That they can be funny -- or polite to callers -- is no excuse.
 

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Well, then, this is a crushing indictment of them both. Sometimes the purported antidote to Pete Sheppard fanboyism is worse than the disease. This appears to be one of those times. If they are saying these things, they are morons. That they can be funny -- or polite to callers -- is no excuse.
For me, it's just that they are a one trick pony when it comes to the Red Sox. The operating premise for their entire Red Sox analysis is that the front office is too cheap to do what it takes to win and too smart for their own good. Their commentary accepts this premise as a given and runs with it from there. It is especially evident during hot stove periods (and when they are losing).

Felger, I can see, is not really a baseball fan and might not know any better. He just riffs off of Mazz. Mazz is a baseball guy and should know better. It seems like he's baiting the lowest common denominator. Maybe that's good for ratings, but it's wearing thin with me.

I generally like the show. But in the past month or so, I've actually found the Big Show tolerable (I'm shocked to write this), especially if they've got a guy like Merloni or someone sitting in. If Felger and Mazz had Sean McAdam or someone of that ilk, the show would be infinitely more balanced when it comes to baseball.
 

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For me, it's just that they are a one trick pony when it comes to the Red Sox. The operating premise for their entire Red Sox analysis is that the front office is too cheap to do what it takes to win and too smart for their own good. Their commentary accepts this premise as a given and runs with it from there. It is especially evident during hot stove periods (and when they are losing).

Felger, I can see, is not really a baseball fan and might not know any better. He just riffs off of Mazz. Mazz is a baseball guy and should know better. It seems like he's baiting the lowest common denominator. Maybe that's good for ratings, but it's wearing thin with me.
Mazz has been really disappointing. I remember a point several months ago where he couldn't recall Wade Davis' name. I know that may come off as a nitpick, but for a "baseball guy" to not know who Wade Davis was heading into the season is ridiculous.

His Red Sox analysis is comprised into rehashing how the front office "let the team down in 2006," how the Red Sox didn't sign Teixeira, and how the Red Sox have resigned themselves to going through "bridge periods."

It's becoming clear why he was the second choice for this show. A Felger/Merloni show would be 1,000 times better (and this is coming from somebody who still generally enjoys the program).