Oh, there will be that for sure.I’ll be shocked if this isn’t the top story in sports by 6pm tomorrow night, complete with the usual bull shit narratives built entirely on media speculation.
If you're just some camera guy just doing your job filming shit and then you get confronted by someone who wants to confiscate your film and maybe tells you that what you're doing is against league rules you might shit your pants and ask for something stupid like just erasing the footage so it doesn't become a big deal..but if so, there's no reason for anyone to beg to delete it. And even if not, unless the rule has changed since 2007 there's no reason for anyone to be embarrassed about filming a team's sideline or coaches - as long as it's from the press box (or stands).
Because thebgame was going to half and the Patriots release was timed so that it could be addressed at a prime moment for NFL fans tuning in. It also basically apologized foto the Bengals and League for the situation.Why would the Patriots release at the two minute warning necessarily be coordinated with the league?
I think I remember this from law school (don’t laugh):It may have been.
That said, the Patriots are part of the NFL. The NFL likely has some kind of blanket consent when you buy a ticket.
Just manufactured the perfect cover. Brilliant!The only way to fix this is sign Antonio Brown tomorrow.
“Hey, what are you doing here???”...but if so, there's no reason for anyone to beg to delete it. And even if not, unless the rule has changed since 2007 there's no reason for anyone to be embarrassed about filming a team's sideline or coaches - as long as it's from the press box (or stands).
The whole theory by Russini is nearly as dumb as the theory-of-cheating behind Ballghazi. It's underwear-gnomes-esque: 1. Let air out of footballs so that they are limp and unthrowable. 2. ??? 3. PROFIT!
Reading this disaster of a thread was worth it for this post.I pray the filming of the field is just Kitchens picking his nose and eating it. Because he’s totally one of those guys.
Yeah, it all seemed coordinated. The league likely reviewed the statement before release, as well.Because thebgame was going to half and the Patriots release was timed so that it could be addressed at a prime moment for NFL fans tuning in. It also basically apologized foto the Bengals and League for the situation.
To me, that signals that there were communications between the league and the team
I cannot even begin to think of a reason why you're going to be right about this. I mean, I really hope you are, but have you seriously not been paying attention to how the NFL handles the Patriots? They suspended Tom Brady - who otherwise had an absolutely IMPECCABLE record - and docked the Patriots a first and fourth round picks, plus a massive fine, for what again? Oh for the LAWS OF PHYSICS.Sadly, this thread reads like a shelter dog that's been beat too much. This will result in a fine and maybe some league wide memos reminding about filming guidelines and proper credential rights and clearances. Step off the ledge, people.
Yeah, as is usually the case, the reaction of the other owners will probably dictate what direction this goes. A drunk dial by Irsay at 2am to Goodell is enough to send this off the rails.What is Peter King saying? If he’s out on his high horse calling for heads, we know powerful groups like Mara and others are going to use this to take a pound of flesh again.
This is the hope. Things were much more muddled last time around. Hell, the Mona Lisa Vito press conference that outside observers found very strange, etc.Because thebgame was going to half and the Patriots release was timed so that it could be addressed at a prime moment for NFL fans tuning in. It also basically apologized foto the Bengals and League for the situation.
To me, that signals that there were communications between the league and the team
I’d only be concerned if it doubled in length in four hours.why did this thread double in length in the past 3 hours?
if this really does blow up, it's a fascinating case of vitriol.
I think it also has to do with reasonable expectations. At a game, you know you might be shown on film or live TV. I helped a friend get her face blurred when she was in a bar where they were filming a reality TV show, because there was no expectation of publicity for a night out and she never signed a waiver. I was walking through Grand Central once and asked to sign a waiver because they'd been filming a show and didn't want to blur my face. I obviously wasn't expecting to be on film taking the train to work.I think I remember this from law school (don’t laugh):
I think misappropriation turns on whether it’s an individual likeness that’s used (not ok) versus “one likeness amongst many” (ie, a crowd shot) that’s being used. The former suggests the person endorses the product, whereas the latter can’t be thought to suggest that.
We‘re pretty far in the weeds on this but the NFL standard ticket appears to give a license to the NFL and the home team. Not the other 31 clubs.It may have been.
That said, the Patriots are part of the NFL. The NFL likely has some kind of blanket consent when you buy a ticket.
Yes, good point. I think that‘s one of the factors, too.I think it also has to do with reasonable expectations. At a game, you know you might be shown on film or live TV. I helped a friend get her face blurred when she was in a bar where they were filming a reality TV show, because there was no expectation of publicity for a night out and she never signed a waiver. I was walking through Grand Central once and asked to sign a waiver because they'd been filming a show and didn't want to blur my face. I obviously wasn't expecting to be on film taking the train to work.
If the tape showed anything blatantly obvious like zooming in on coaches this story would be getting reported much differently.Yeah, it all seemed coordinated. The league likely reviewed the statement before release, as well.
Makes sense. Pats wouldn’t bust in on a MNF game unless they cleared it with the league. ARod in 2007 OTOH pissed off MLB with his announcement during the World Series.Because thebgame was going to half and the Patriots release was timed so that it could be addressed at a prime moment for NFL fans tuning in. It also basically apologized foto the Bengals and League for the situation.
To me, that signals that there were communications between the league and the team
Either the Dodgers have the right under their license to give a license to the producers or it was filmed in a way that close ups were only of actors and long range shots were such that no individuals could be identified.Going back to this--maybe the doc was fair use. Was the Larry David Show fair use?
Truth is stranger than fiction.“Hey, what are you doing here???”
“We’re shooting the advance scout here at work as part of a series of documentary segments.”
“You’re not allowed to film the field from the press box!!!”
“Really? It’s just B roll footage. We can delete it if you’d like.”
(Dials phone) “I caught an evil Patriots camera person spying and he’s begging to be allowed to delete the footage!!!”
Except for the random guy who was acquitted of murder when he was identified in that scene.Either the Dodgers have the right under their license to give a license to the producers or it was filmed in a way that close ups were only of actors and long range shots were such that no individuals could be identified.
Exactly. The rules are dumb. The rule about football PSI is dumb. Wanna know why the PSI rule is 12.5-13.5? Because Wilson says that is the optimal range of pressure. Not because anything above or below would be some kind of advantage. Literally the ball manufacturer was saying the opposite - anything outside of that range is suboptimal. It is all so, so dumb.If you’re filming a documentary about what a scout does at a game, you’re going to film what he’s looking at.
I would think this is relatively common and there are best practices in place.Having said that, that there are still rules about filming what can be seen by a fan in the stands is dumb.
This story is dumb. This league is dumb. Our o-line is dumb.
He actually walks right by Larry, right? I can’t remember the documentary well. But, yeah, there must be some implied consent or something. Or maybe they made an announcement at the game?Except for the random guy who was acquitted of murder when he was identified in that scene.
SVP off the White List?Scott Van Pelt’s grave tone for the upcoming Sportscenter story does not given me hope this will all be a bunch of nothing
The PSI rules are literally impossible to follow. No cold weather outdoor team has ever been able to follow them. Ever. And I'm not sure what the football ops people are supposed to do about a documentary camera crew employed by someone else.The rules may be dumb but they shouldn’t be all that hard to follow. Particularly after you have been burned twice by said stupid rules.
Reasons for concern #2 and #3 plus the fact that the NFL has treated the Patriots like the worst criminals ever on TWO different occasions (one directly related to, uh, illegal taping) make this a big concern.Reasons for optimism:
1.) The team issued a statement admitting what happened and everyone involved is cooperating with the investigation.
2.) There does not appear to be any attempt or intent to gain competitive advantage. The team's statement makes perfect sense and is consistent with what's been reported. The team has done several episodes of the documentary already, so it's not like the team's explanation was just fabricated out of thin air to cover things up.
3.) There is no "You guys are fucked" exclamation from a distraught Mike Kensil. No rumors of loss of draft picks (which was in the first tweet about Deflategate by a Colts beat reporter) or other punishments. There's no rumors of taped walkthroughs or other crap (one exception noted below).
4.) The team's claims are easily verifiable upon a quick viewing of the film.
5.) The NFL and the Pats seem to be on the same page so far.
Reasons for concern:
1.) We don't know what's on the film yet. I do agree that if the film showed close ups of Bengals play sheets, coaches sideline conferences, etc., it could be bad news.
2.) A rule violation occurred. While probably minor, it's still a violation.
3.) It's the NFL.
4.) The unconfirmed rumor that the video guy asked for the film to be deleted.
I'm just advanced scouting.I mean, I'm tired of the NFL too, but we should probably wait for them to do something stupid on this issue before we lament them being stupid on this issue.
I don’t get this. Nobody is saying that this is cheating or that it has anything to do with football ops. If I am Bob Kraft and one of my business units video tapes shit during NFL games I would make for fucking sure that we were not violating league rules when we shot shit for our video production company. The league has fucked us twice. Should we play it fast and loose or make doubly sure we are flowing the rules?The PSI rules are literally impossible to follow. No cold weather outdoor team has ever been able to follow them. Ever. And I'm not sure what the football ops people are supposed to do about a documentary camera crew employed by someone else.
In the first prior offense, Belichick was nailed more for ignoring the memo than for taping signals per se.Reasons for concern #2 and #3 plus the fact that the NFL has treated the Patriots like the worst criminals ever on TWO different occasions (one directly related to, uh, illegal taping) make this a big concern.
Maybe that concern will be unfounded but we are not crazy for thinking that the NFL could quite possibly come down hard on the Patriots for this, even though it’s likely a total nothing.
Well, if you go to twitter, and type Patriots into the search bar, one of the suggestions is "cheating".I don’t get this. Nobody is saying that this is cheating or that it has anything to do with football ops.
Yep ... and that's the narrative that will play out.Well, if you go to twitter, and type Patriots into the search bar, one of the suggestions is "cheating".
This was probably more like:Yahoo: Patriots cameraman reportedly asked to 'just delete the footage,' Bill Belichick denies any involvement
Weak sauce. A good headline would speculate as to why he didn’t follow protocol and bite/swallow the cyanide capsule under his back molar.Yep ... and that's the narrative that will play out.
and then there are the headlines
Yahoo: Patriots cameraman reportedly asked to 'just delete the footage,' Bill Belichick denies any involvement
You know what? Stuff happens. Especially when it's perceived to be small stuff.I don’t get this. Nobody is saying that this is cheating or that it has anything to do with football ops. If I am Bob Kraft and one of my business units video tapes shit during NFL games I would make for fucking sure that we were not violating league rules when we shot shit for our video production company. The league has fucked us twice. Should we play it fast and loose or make doubly sure we are flowing the rules?
If true no bueno"What really drew the interest of the Bengals is the fact they were shooting into the bench area," Pelissero said on The Aftermath. "I have spoken with several people familiar of what was in that tape, including one person who has seen that tape, and said it included video of the Bengals coaches making signals and then panning out into the field."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086298/article/bengals-nfl-investigating-if-patriots-filmed-sideline
So...exactly what the Patriots said happened."What really drew the interest of the Bengals is the fact they were shooting into the bench area," Pelissero said on The Aftermath. "I have spoken with several people familiar of what was in that tape, including one person who has seen that tape, and said it included video of the Bengals coaches making signals and then panning out into the field."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086298/article/bengals-nfl-investigating-if-patriots-filmed-sideline
Boom. If true they're fucked. Really fucked.and said it included video of the Bengals coaches making signals and then panning out into the field.