Almost like situations and circumstances change.Sure, but we got Hollister as a UDFA then dumped him for a 7th, and are now trading 2 4ths and a 6th to try and replace him with a player who might not even be as good.
Sure, the point was more that it's a really bad use of resources to trade a bunch of picks to take a fungible guy in the 4th just because you want a 2nd TE. I was fine with Asiasi because he was their best TE available, but Keene is a bad trade on pick value alone, but then picking a fungible guy... ugh.Almost like situations and circumstances change.
Wasn't aware he was fungible. Wasn't on his draft weakness list.Sure, the point was more that it's a really bad use of resources to trade a bunch of picks to take a fungible guy in the 4th just because you want a 2nd TE. I was fine with Asiasi because he was their best TE available, but Keene is a bad trade on pick value alone, but then picking a fungible guy... ugh.
Their Qbs after Darnold are Fales and Mike White, they need a backup badly, and a 4th round pick is a nice place to get one cheaper than FA who has a chance to be betterI’d love to know the thinking of Jets taking a QB. Maybe they have a high grade on him and are going BPA?
Eason is definitely a better prospect than Fromm. Eason has an legit NFL arm with bad footwork.Jets took a QB but it wasn't Fromm?
Don’t want to point out the obvious, but presumably the pats think he’s pretty good.Sure, the point was more that it's a really bad use of resources to trade a bunch of picks to take a fungible guy in the 4th just because you want a 2nd TE. I was fine with Asiasi because he was their best TE available, but Keene is a bad trade on pick value alone, but then picking a fungible guy... ugh.
edit- I really dislike drafting for "need", I dislike it even more when it means burning up a bunch of picks to take 2 guys at the need position over more valuable players because you don't trust either to be good enough.
Good pointTheir Qbs after Darnold are Fales and Mike White, they need a backup badly, and a 4th round pick is a nice place to get one cheaper than FA who has a chance to be better
That's been the local stories in the PNW. His work ethic has been questionable as well as his attitude.
Because of a QB, when by many accounts the Patriots like Stidham?F the Jets
Should have just kept the picks
need a backup. don't like any of the others left.Because of a QB, when by many accounts the Patriots like Stidham?
Never watch the third day of the draft before? It's 5 min between picks, and they need to talk about the picks that are made. This is usual procedure for the third dayESPN voice/studio/Wingo falling far behind their scrolls. Horrible coverage.
You mean, besides Hoyer?need a backup. don't like any of the others left.
You weren't aware that SoSH posters were better equipped to evaluate college players than the Patriots front office?Wasn't aware he was fungible. Wasn't on his draft weakness list.
To be fair my evaluation is in large part based on a wide range of other people's evaluations, and some of those people do have a better track record than the Patriots front officeYou weren't aware that SoSH posters were better equipped to evaluate college players than the Patriots front office?
I figured he was fine because we have heard of his college.You weren't aware that SoSH posters were better equipped to evaluate college players than the Patriots front office?
need a backup. don't like any of the others left.
So does James Morgan. The Pats will get the equivalent or better later in the draft.Hoyer sucks.
Safety schoolI figured he was fine because we have heard of his college.
If you see the guy picked in the scroll on tv (ESPN/ABC) then it's safe. No twitter stuff.Any thoughts on loosening the no spoiler thing today? ESPN is now 5 picks behind
So who specifically said Rambo is fungible? You’ve got Ozzie Newsome on the blower?To be fair my evaluation is in large part based on a wide range of other people's evaluations, and some of those people do have a better track record than the Patriots front office
fungible as in not significantly different from other options? Just about every analyst? PFF, Nystrom, Miller, Wright all had him as not significantly different from a number of other TEs in the same tier.So who specifically said Rambo is fungible? You’ve got Ozzie Newsome on the blower?
Eight TEs went in a span of 45 or so picks--6 in a span of 27. If the Pats liked one, it was time to act.fungible as in not significantly different from other options? Just about every analyst? PFF, Nystrom, Miller, Wright all had him as not significantly different from a number of other TEs in the same tier.
That's why these guys are dropping. They didn't have someone to play for.Less dead relative stories today at least.
yeah, I did mention upthread that the number of TEs that went in the 4th made me less upset about Keene. Personally I don't think a 2nd TE had value compared with the other positions on the board, but if they did think the TE class was better than generally thought, it makes more sense. I'm never going to like the trade up, but my issue with Keene is less that I think he's worse than the TEs he went before, I don't, I think they are all essentially the same value-wise, but that I don't think that trade makes sense for your 2nd favorite TE in this classSix TEs went in a span of 27 or so picks. If the Pats liked one, it was time to act.
Yeah... what was the deal with over half of the picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds having someone die that they dedicated their lives too? Are producers going to them and asking, hey anyone die you want to talk about?Less dead relative stories today at least.
“Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate them.”That's why these guys are dropping. They didn't have someone to play for.
Would you like to provide a more detailed analysis on Keene? It seems no one, including our very own SMU, Inside the Pylon folks, and other posters seem to think the TE's "fungible".Sure, the point was more that it's a really bad use of resources to trade a bunch of picks to take a fungible guy in the 4th just because you want a 2nd TE. I was fine with Asiasi because he was their best TE available, but Keene is a bad trade on pick value alone, but then picking a fungible guy... ugh.
edit- I really dislike drafting for "need", I dislike it even more when it means burning up a bunch of picks to take 2 guys at the need position over more valuable players because you don't trust either to be good enough.
I don't know if I'd say that. Listen to the ITP guys' podcast on TEs, they talk a lot about how there are a lot of different options and only Kmet is a clear tier above a big mess, and Keene gets brought up as a late rounder option. It seems people are really taking exception to the word "fungible", which is weird to me, would y'all prefer "replacement level"Would you like to provide a more detailed analysis on Keene? It seems no one, including our very own SMU, Inside the Pylon folks, and other posters seem to think the TE's "fungible".