Still pissed about that win they were gifted in Foxboro last year. They went from “cute new contender” to “loathsome gang of turds” real fast.This is really a succinct way of putting it. Spot on.
I thought the officials weren't supposed to use "confirmed" any more. Everything was stands or overturned.That the first “confirmed” on a review I’ve heard all playoffs. Which is ridiculous.
Huh? There may be an argument to be made, but this analogy isn't it.For the same reason being tackled with the ball in the end zone yields a different result than being tackled at the 1 yard line.
Throw to the TE would be high and behind, at high velocity.No one has an easier job in football than Patrick Mahomes, as good as he is. Put Watson in that offense, does anything change?
Covering Kelce with a linebacker doesn't seem to be optimal strategy.Looked like Bentley trying to cover Kelce.
It always seems to work out that wayIt's bad enough KC has the best team, but to have a horseshoe up their ass too?
Right. I mean, that's what everyone said about the Patriots too.It always seems to work out that way
Yes. Watching KC makes my blood boil. Not enough bad things can happen to them.Still pissed about that win they were gifted in Foxboro last year. They went from “cute new contender” to “loathsome gang of turds” real fast.
This is a great point. I mean, every ref looking up at the replay is like, oh crap did we blow that one or what? Because it was SOOOOO obvious.Why is a hit to the head not reviewable? The league says the only thing they care about is player safety and yet they don’t review one of the most common infringement on player safety in the entire game.
Where do I get my refund?And now KC will score a TD before the half.
Book it.
If you want a “reason” you need to go back in football history. For the vast majority of the time the game was played, a fumble out of bounds would belong to the offense at the spot where the ball became dead. So if you “fumble” on 4th and 5 and it goes out of bounds 5 yards downfield you would gain a first down.That is an answer not a reason.
That solution far too simple and elegant for the NFLWhy not make the Holy Roller rule universally applicable to all offensive fumbles, including outside of two minutes? If the fumbled ball goes OOB anywhere beyond the spot of the fumble ball, it is marked back at the spot of the fumble, regardless of how much time remains in the game. Sure, this means the offense retains the ball on any OOB fumble in the opposing EZ, but it also hurts the offense by not allowing them to advance fumbles (ie, they can’t recover the ball in the EZ for a TD or advance fumbles between the zero yard lines).
The fact the fumble OOB through the EZ by the offense results in a change of possession simply strikes me as overly punitive.
Sounds exactly backwards to me. Once they cleaned up not allowing gaining an advantage for fumbling forward they could easily just make it so that the fumble not recovered before going on goes back regardless of where it goes out.If you want a “reason” you need to go back in football history. For the vast majority of the time the game was played, a fumble out of bounds would belong to the offense at the spot where the ball became dead. So if you “fumble” on 4th and 5 and it goes out of bounds 5 yards downfield you would gain a first down.
Obviously a team couldn’t snap from inside the end zone and awarding a touchdown for fumbling into the end zone makes the least sense of all. The rules already covered loose balls in the end zone, so they were just applied broadly.
The issue only became a problem when the NFL decided they wanted to further punish offense who fumbled the ball by negating any yards gained. As the rule was changed to punish the offense, you can see why the original interpretations for fumbles into the end zone wasn’t changed
That doesn’t track. If you can’t gain yards on a fumble anyway, then there is no reason the rule can’t be that the ball becomes dead where the fumble occured, even if it rolls OOB in the endzone. Ball goes on the 1, or 2, or wherever the carrier lost possession.If you want a “reason” you need to go back in football history. For the vast majority of the time the game was played, a fumble out of bounds would belong to the offense at the spot where the ball became dead. So if you “fumble” on 4th and 5 and it goes out of bounds 5 yards downfield you would gain a first down.
Obviously a team couldn’t snap from inside the end zone and awarding a touchdown for fumbling into the end zone makes the least sense of all. The rules already covered loose balls in the end zone, so they were just applied broadly.
The issue only became a problem when the NFL decided they wanted to further punish offense who fumbled the ball by negating any yards gained. As the rule was changed to punish the offense, you can see why the original interpretations for fumbles into the end zone wasn’t changed
Question: would you handle backwards passes the same way? Backwards passes that hit the ground are not currently treated as fumbles, if they end up out of bounds the offense gets the ball wherever it ends up.Sounds exactly backwards to me. Once they cleaned up not allowing gaining an advantage for fumbling forward they could easily just make it so that the fumble not recovered before going on goes back regardless of where it goes out.
I see absolutely no reason not to change the rule.
They don’t, kicks “belong” to the return team as soon as foot meets ball.And FWIW, it’s also dumb that the kicking team gets possession on a kickoff in the returner fumbles the ball out of the side of the end zone. I can also not think of a single time I’ve seen that happen.
If you fumble a ball backward, and the offensive recovery is 5 yards back from where it was fumbled, doesn't the offense get it at the spot they recover it? (5 yards back)Question: would you handle backwards passes the same way? Backwards passes that hit the ground are not currently treated as fumbles, if they end up out of bounds the offense gets the ball wherever it ends up.
I think anyone would trade those kinds of plays for not having a forward fumble at the 1 completely ruin the game for a team.Just don’t allow fumbles forward to be recovered by anyone on the offense other than the fumbler for an advance unless the defense gains control and fumbles. Or unless it is an eligible passer fumbling. You lose what a couple of lineman falling on the ball TDs per year at most if you do that? Who cares? They ruin fantasy football anyway.
I would put any fumble or backwards pass at the spot of the fumble or where the ball went oob whichever closer to the fumbling team’s end zone.Question: would you handle backwards passes the same way? Backwards passes that hit the ground are not currently treated as fumbles, if they end up out of bounds the offense gets the ball wherever it ends up.
What about a muffed snap? Is it dead as soon as the QB recovers it?Just don’t allow fumbles forward to be recovered by anyone on the offense other than the fumbler for an advance unless the defense gains control and fumbles. Or unless it is an eligible passer fumbling. You lose what a couple of lineman falling on the ball TDs per year at most if you do that? Who cares? They ruin fantasy football anyway.
Soooo wasn’t your explanation about this rule saying what I repeated re: kickoffs? If not, then it’s triply dumb.They don’t, kicks “belong” to the return team as soon as foot meets ball.
??? If the kickoff team kicks the ball 25 yards and nobody touches it and the kicking team recovers it, it's the kicking team's ball. The offense doesn't have to "fumble" it for the kicking team to gain possession. I assume that the ball being kicked on a kickoff is neutral - it's neither team's ball until something else happens. And if the kick goes OOB, it's awarded to the receiving team.They don’t, kicks “belong” to the return team as soon as foot meets ball.
I’m saying that right now the definition of touchback and safety is very simple, and this would add complication, and that despite the simplicity people still screw up whether a play will be ruled a touchback or safety.Soooo wasn’t your explanation about this rule saying what I repeated re: kickoffs? If not, then it’s triply dumb.
Done indeed. Easy rule to change.The rules of the games we watch and play are whatever we want them to be. A fumble into the end zone is treated like a punt or a kickoff because that's how the rules treat them. A field goal attempt that bounces through the back of the endzone isn't treated as a touchback. A pass attempt that sails out of bounds isn't treated as a change of possession.
Just change the rule so that you can't advance a fumble forwards. Fumbles are spotted at the point of the fumble unless recovered by the defensive team. Done.
Actually, missed field goals are treated as touchbacks! That’s why if you miss a 17 yard field goal the defense gets to snap at the 20.The rules of the games we watch and play are whatever we want them to be. A fumble into the end zone is treated like a punt or a kickoff because that's how the rules treat them. A field goal attempt that bounces through the back of the endzone isn't treated as a touchback. A pass attempt that sails out of bounds isn't treated as a change of possession.
Goodness, the furthest thing from a disaster for Cle. This was a wildly successful year for them. The biggest thing was that Baker Mayfield came of age this year. HUGE development for them.And that's all she wrote.
Good season for Cleveland, they beat Pitt. Not a disaster of a year.