Such as? Murray?I enjoy TL a lot, but if there was a similar talent, similar age, similar contract PG who could guard multiple positions who was a good fit - I'd make that trade, just because I think PG is a bigger position of need on this team.
Such as? Murray?I enjoy TL a lot, but if there was a similar talent, similar age, similar contract PG who could guard multiple positions who was a good fit - I'd make that trade, just because I think PG is a bigger position of need on this team.
Murray. VanVleet. SGA(more $$$ next season). maybe HaliburtonSuch as? Murray?
Who would the Celtics prefer if they had the choice? Would they outbid any other suitors this summer? If the answer to both is a yes then a SNT would be the option this summer as opposed to the deadline with other Brunson secured.Something built around Smart for Brunson makes sense for both teams, doesn't it?
His contract limits the downside and raises the upside. Anyway, if teams are worried about the medical issues still, then Rob has to be viewed as untouchable.I don’t know about that. Teams all remember him being medically red flagged prior to the draft and this is the only year he’s been healthy. There would be a ton of risk for the acquiring team in giving up a big return.
I think Brunson is a much cleaner fit with the Jays & Smart is a cleaner fit with Luka.Who would the Celtics prefer if they had the choice? Would they outbid any other suitors this summer? If the answer to both is a yes then a SNT would be the option this summer as opposed to the deadline with other Brunson secured.
I think Wood makes great sense, but then again I think Beal is overrated and overpriced.Any way the Celtics could get Christian Wood? He’s got one more year at $14 million. Would Romeo, Schroeder, (probably rerouted with a third team for a young player or two going to the Rockets), a first round pick, two second round picks, and a first round pick swap be enough? Is he worth two first round picks?
An tall athletic floor stretching power forward double double machine to pair with TL would be great. If the Celtics gave up two first round picks, that shuts the door on Beal as the third star with the Jays.
They roll with Marcus at PG for the rest of the season and see if he continues this recent good offense/distributionI wouldn't do Brunson/Smart for a couple reasons:
1. I've been impressed with Smart's adjustments on offense, and his defense is still elite
2. Brunson got played right off the floor in the playoffs last year, I have concerns teams will target and destroy him in the playoffs going forward.
3. I'm not totally sold that Brunson is a real 3pt threat, I think the 40% last year is looking like a clear outlier and he's more of a low volume 35-36% guy, which is not enough better to offset the massive difference with Smart on D.
Agree with everything you say here. One quibble - the switch-everything scheme doesn't necessarily require a PG like Smart (after all, a lot of teams play this scheme but not many have anyone like Smart as PG) but teams that don't have a PG who can play up will need to double the post when the mismatch occurs, which opens up its own set of problems. A Marcus who focus on distribution and pace (instead of shooting) plus plays at an All-defense caliber is certainly great to have in Ime's scheme.They roll with Marcus at PG for the rest of the season and see if he continues this recent good offense/distribution
Brad/IME have to be careful on who they choose to be the "ballhandler of the future". In a "switch everything" defense the PG needs to be able to hold his own in the post for 10-second spells in the halfcourt. That's part of the reason why Schroder isn't as effective (Pritchard also) in IME's system. Along with recent-Marcus players like Murray, Haliburton, SGA would be perfect in this system BUT expensive. I'd steer away from a Smart for Brunson swap since Jalen would become a target for the better teams.
Agreed, the team has been getting better with IME's switchy D and it worked last night. Just believe it thrives with a lengthier PG, especially during the playoffs when the PACE slows and it becomes a halfcourt/chess match game. Especially for a team that wants to hang their hat on D. Spoelstra (any good coach) is adept at exposing shrimpy PGs.Agree with everything you say here. One quibble - the switch-everything scheme doesn't necessarily require a PG like Smart (after all, a lot of teams play this scheme but not many have anyone like Smart as PG) but teams that don't have a PG who can play up will need to double the post when the mismatch occurs, which opens up its own set of problems. A Marcus who focus on distribution and pace (instead of shooting) plus plays at an All-defense caliber is certainly great to have in Ime's scheme.
I thought the switch-everything scheme really did well last night. CHA has a lot of scorers so holding them to 107.6 ORtg (which is below their average) seems like a good result, particularly as BOS didn't really take care of the ball very well.
Which, in turn, would immediately make C a bigger position of need on this team. Ime would be running Horford out there 45 minutes a night.I enjoy TL a lot, but if there was a similar talent, similar age, similar contract PG who could guard multiple positions who was a good fit - I'd make that trade, just because I think PG is a bigger position of need on this team.
I'm not in favor of dumping TL at all, unless something amazing is coming back. But tall guys are about the easiest things to find cheaply at the deadline or in the buyout market. Seems like every year there are centers updating their LinkedIn profiles after the dust clears.Which, in turn, would immediately make C a bigger position of need on this team. Ime would be running Horford out there 45 minutes a night.
Yeah it's a fair point that 2bigz (tm BH) makes defense and rebounding better. The issue is how much you're giving back on the other hand 2bigz that either won't shoot 3s or can't hit them enough.Not sure how to quantify this but last night there was a play...... Hornet drives past his man on the perimeter....Rob sags off his guy and challenges at the rim, affecting but not blocking the shot. Shot goes awry and a rebound is up for grabs. Al has crashed the boards during this sequence.....essentially back filling for Rob as a rebounder. Horford is able to get the rebound by battling against the Original guy that Rob left.
It occurred to me that the 2 big (for all its negatives) allows Rob (and early season Al....remember that 2 blocks a game guy) to challenge shots while still allowing for a competent rebounding component.
Probably not earth shattering. 2 Bigger guys SHOULD make rebounding easier.
But it also seems to be helping the defense in that Rob (or Early Al) can challenge Shots with out having to worry about rebounding.
And before anyone says "well thats why Tatum and or Brown need to help on the boards" .....Boy are we lousy at rebounding at times. Yes Tatum gets his 8-10 and Jalen gets his 5-7 but they are generally not contested. Both of them (for the most part) get empty rebound numbers.
Maybe all this is obvious. But it was the one play last night that kinda crystalized it for me last night.
(That does not mean I would be opposed to a better 2nd big then Al......or that I think thats a bigger need then better passing at PG ....or any position really, OR that 2 Bigs is THE answer. Just that I might see why Ime is continuing to do it)
I was that way too. Now I kind of enjoy the uncertainty of his shifts. He's a wild card, almost Smartian in his ability to add and also take away, shift to shift.Yea Schoeder sucks. He might be addition by subtraction. Or that might be hyperbole by me. Regardless he isnt good now and I dread his shifts.
We’ve been fortunate to be facing teams without their PG heathy or a team in a similar boat as us. The real issue with Smart as your PG, aside from other smaller reasons, is that he struggles getting to his spot with the ball against pressure and this plays up in the final 6 minutes. He had a critical turnover last night which preceded the Tatum foul and T.The question on Smart is whether the last ~week is real. If it is, if he figured out how to play point and be a distributor, his value for the Celtics shoots way up. If it is a mirage and he is who he has been most of the season, that guy is tradeable. Did he really turn a corner while he was out with Covid, or have the Celtics been playing bad defensive teams the entire time since he got back? I'm inclined to believe this is an illusion and he'll get back to what he was against better competition.
The Celtics have often not put Rob on the other team's big. Sometimes Al will do that, sometimes they will even have Grant there. I think they want Rob using his mobility and athleticism whenever possible, and matching him up against the other center makes that harder.Not sure how to quantify this but last night there was a play...... Hornet drives past his man on the perimeter....Rob sags off his guy and challenges at the rim, affecting but not blocking the shot. Shot goes awry and a rebound is up for grabs. Al has crashed the boards during this sequence.....essentially back filling for Rob as a rebounder. Horford is able to get the rebound by battling against the Original guy that Rob left.
It occurred to me that the 2 big (for all its negatives) allows Rob (and early season Al....remember that 2 blocks a game guy) to challenge shots while still allowing for a competent rebounding component.
Probably not earth shattering. 2 Bigger guys SHOULD make rebounding easier.
But it also seems to be helping the defense in that Rob (or Early Al) can challenge Shots with out having to worry about rebounding.
Turnovers are the issue with Smart at PG - although the one from last night loked more like an unforced error than a forced one.He had a critical turnover last night which preceded the Tatum foul and T.
He simply isn’t reliable as your guy with the ball in his hands when it matters. You really don’t want to be relying on Smart as your lead guard in the playoffs.
Are the C's not putting Rob on the other team's big, or is the other team constantly using that big in a PnR to get Rob (or Horford) out on a switch about 1 second into the shot clock? I think it's really hard for the numbers to account for who Rob is matching up against, when he literally gets switched onto 2-3-4 guys every trip down the floor anyway.The Celtics have often not put Rob on the other team's big. Sometimes Al will do that, sometimes they will even have Grant there. I think they want Rob using his mobility and athleticism whenever possible, and matching him up against the other center makes that harder.
They are often playing him off ball on the worst shooter. He spent a lot of time last night matched up with Martin so Rob could roam around and help more at the rim.Are the C's not putting Rob on the other team's big, or is the other team constantly using that big in a PnR to get Rob (or Horford) out on a switch about 1 second into the shot clock? I think it's really hard for the numbers to account for who Rob is matching up against, when he literally gets switched onto 2-3-4 guys every trip down the floor anyway.
Yes, this is how Brad tried to use him too. He really is not a good low post defender against a physical big who can back him down under the basket. Marc Gasol and Valenciunus used to kill him on the low block. He’s one of the best in the league as a weak side defender where he can use his length and athleticism in space without being attached to a body.They are often playing him off ball on the worst shooter. He spent a lot of time last night matched up with Martin so Rob could roam around and help more at the rim.
Presti is asking for a first round draft pick for Kenrich Williams. What would he require for SGA? In OKC, we assume that SGA and Giddey are untouchable.Free SGA.
Yeah, I don't think it's an actual possibility, I would just love to see it.Presti is asking for a first round draft pick for Kenrich Williams. What would he require for SGA? In OKC, we assume that SGA and Giddey are untouchable.
It would take Jaylen.Presti is asking for a first round draft pick for Kenrich Williams. What would he require for SGA? In OKC, we assume that SGA and Giddey are untouchable.
How about...Yeah, I don't think it's an actual possibility, I would just love to see it.
If Presti is asking for a 1st for Kenny Hustle I'm sure they'd be taking on a bad contract in return.
As JM3 mentioned, that would likely include taking a bad contract.Presti is asking for a first round draft pick for Kenrich Williams. What would he require for SGA? In OKC, we assume that SGA and Giddey are untouchable.
You misspelled Jayson.It would take Jaylen.
I think you are mistaking Martin for Washington. First of all Martin only played 16 minutes as opposed to Washington's 42. Secondly, I went back and watched a few possessions from the start of 1Q and 3Q plus the end of 2Q and 4Q, and in each case TL began the possession matched up against Washington.Th
They are often playing him off ball on the worst shooter. He spent a lot of time last night matched up with Martin so Rob could roam around and help more at the rim.
You are probably right that TL was matched with Washington most of the time. I do think he was matched with Martin at times as well but probably not as often.I think you are mistaking Martin for Washington. First of all Martin only played 16 minutes as opposed to Washington's 42. Secondly, I went back and watched a few possessions from the start of 1Q and 3Q plus the end of 2Q and 4Q, and in each case TL began the possession matched up against Washington.
From what I saw at the start of the 1Q and 3Q, they had Horford matched up on Plumlee. I wouldn't be surprised if they had Al on Plumlee for most of the time Plumlee was on the court.
Yeah, I'm probably at the head of the "trade Marcus" movement but even I can't get remotely behind a hypothetical move like that unless something significant came along with Beasley.If Smart goes for Beasley as the big pieces, it's to solve a locker room problem. That's a sizeable downgrade.
It's just someone slapping together two rumors...If Smart goes for Beasley as the big pieces, it's to solve a locker room problem. That's a sizeable downgrade.
I've heard that a few times in recent weeks and can certainly believe it. That team also needs a shakeup, I suspect---it's a win-now team which isn't winning and has new leadership to boot.
It would be a gutsy move by both teams. Mitchell is signed for more money per year, but with more years of control (assuming he doesn't ask out - not saying he wouldn't, but that's a risk in today's NBA). I'm a bit leery of a 6' 1" shooting guard in Boston's defensive system. I don't know a lot about Mitchell, but I assume Brown fits better with the team defensively (and yes I know Brown often seems to get confused from a team defense perspective).Hard to imagine a Mitchell deal in-season; also have to wonder if Jaylen Brown isn't the best fit for a swap anyone is going to be able to offer.
You have Marcus to do all the stuff that Mitchell doesn't. And in Boston Mitchell can guard the 1 spot, so it would work. Mitchell for Simmons doesn't really work for Utah, you can't win a title (anymore) by winning a bunch of 78-73 games.It would be a gutsy move by both teams. Mitchell is signed for more money per year, but with more years of control (assuming he doesn't ask out - not saying he wouldn't, but that's a risk in today's NBA). I'm a bit leery of a 6' 1" shooting guard in Boston's defensive system. I don't know a lot about Mitchell, but I assume Brown fits better with the team defensively (and yes I know Brown often seems to get confused from a team defense perspective).
I don't really know why Boston takes the risk, unless they think Brown and Tatum don't mix well together - a viewpoint that I don't share. I see Utah taking the risk if they really think Mitchell and Gobert can't exist together.
As is true for all potential stars on the block, Michell for Simmons?
I mean the Thunder already attempted to trade SGA, Giddey, and draft picks for Cade Cunningham, so they don't seem to agree with your evaluation. On a practical level SGA isn't very good in his new role of secondary ballhandler and primary scorer. He compiles points, but is an inefficient scorer and his shooting woes have been pretty pronounced. Jaylen is a better and more efficient scorer and would benefit from Giddey's shot creation, just as Tatum would from SGA's.You misspelled Jayson.
Jaylen vs SGA are similar caliber players. Maybe a SF would fit better than a PG in OKC, although, really Brown is a terrible fit there. And the 3 fewer years of team control, makes him extraordinarily less valuable to OKC. Jaylen does not make OKC a legit playoff team the next two years, and then he is GONE