How so? I’m curious what you mean by this.Somewhere, Chaim Bloom is furiously kicking his own ass.
Somewhere, Chaim Bloom is furiously kicking his own ass.
How so? I’m curious what you mean by this.
I was joking. Forgot to put lol at the end.
In fairness, I tend to have this effect on most places I frequent.How far this place has sunk.
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Because he's hurt?The Phillies just put Song on the 15 day IL. Why would they make a move like that?
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Because he's hurt?
Noted.....and agreed......
Allow me to ask the question a different way.
Why place Song on the 15 day IL instead of the 60 day IL?
Because he's not hurt that badly?Noted.....and agreed......
Allow me to ask the question a different way.
Why place Song on the 15 day IL instead of the 60 day IL?
Hennys Youngman is the preferred nomenclature,I believeYou're free from blame, it's the self-styled Henny Youngmans (Youngmen?) who shouldn't quit their day jobs who draw my ire.
No, a group of hens is a brood (ducks)Hennys Youngman is the preferred nomenclature,I believe
Take my Wybar, please.No, a group of hens is a brood (ducks)
Maybe the rules have changed but I think he needs to be on the active roster for a year. And if he goes on rehab the clock starts.I did a quick research to find out what's happened in April, and he's still on the 15 day DL.
How long do the Phillies get to just let Song be on the 15 day DL? At what point do the Sox raise there hand in protest to MLB? If I understand correctly, the rules are different if he goes on the 60 Day DL.
My understanding is that he can remain on the IL all year and the Sox can't do a thing. But he has to be active and on the 26-man roster for a minimum of 90 days before the Phillies can call him entirely theirs (free to option to the minors, etc). And that 90 days can extend into next season if he's on the IL for too long this year.I did a quick research to find out what's happened in April, and he's still on the 15 day DL.
How long do the Phillies get to just let Song be on the 15 day DL? At what point do the Sox raise there hand in protest to MLB? If I understand correctly, the rules are different if he goes on the 60 Day DL.
I think this is right. The Phillies can create, essentially, a year long rehab stint for him since he hasn't played competitive baseball in so long. I anticipate at some point, if they haven't already, the Philly will move him to the 60 day IL and free up a roster spot. And Song gets paid the majors minimum salary? So, a win for everyone but the Red Sox.My understanding is that he can remain on the IL all year and the Sox can't do a thing. But he has to be active and on the 26-man roster for a minimum of 90 days before the Phillies can call him entirely theirs (free to option to the minors, etc). And that 90 days can extend into next season if he's on the IL for too long this year.
Rehab only in the sense that he can throw on the side and build up arm strength he may have lost while serving. He won't get much if any game experience while he's on the IL. Not unless the Phillies want to play the game of letting him rehab for 29 days, then shut down for two weeks due to "re-injury" or a new "injury" in order to reset his rehab clock, then start over. That might be enough to prompt accusations of impropriety though.I think this is right. The Phillies can create, essentially, a year long rehab stint for him since he hasn't played competitive baseball in so long. I anticipate at some point, if they haven't already, the Philly will move him to the 60 day IL and free up a roster spot. And Song gets paid the majors minimum salary? So, a win for everyone but the Red Sox.
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Your user name did thatI realize this marks me as a hopelessly naive rube ...
I don't think so. I mean I guess they can tell Rob Manfred and the League Offices, but I suspect that they already know what's happening. The fact is, if DD can pull this off; he exploited a loophole (that may close after this) and pulled the wool over Chaim's eyes. It happens, you lick your wounds and move on.I realize this marks me as a hopelessly naive rube, but isn’t there anything the Red Sox can do about this? I suppose there’s a remote possibility this is on the level, but it seems far more likely it’s horseshit chicanery.
The bolded part is key. Song has nothing to gain by forcing the Phillies’ hand, which likely lands him in Worcester with an organization that thought Kaleb Ort was a better use of a 40-man spot. So long as Song says he’s injured, there’s nothing to be done.What should they do about it? The Phillies are doing nothing wrong and nothing a number of other teams haven't done over the years, except in this case, everyone knew going in that the guy wouldn't be conditioned to pitch a full season. They still have to carry him on the active MLB roster for the requisite number of days at some point. It's also still his best avenue to ever being a major league pitcher.
If he were in the Sox organization right now, I doubt he'd be in Worcester. Salem or Greenville probably. Maybe Portland. Assuming his back was up to it at all.The bolded part is key. Song has nothing to gain by forcing the Phillies’ hand, which likely lands him in Worcester with an organization that thought Kaleb Ort was a better use of a 40-man spot. So long as Song says he’s injured, there’s nothing to be done.
Didn't the Red Sox do this a while back with a Rule 5 guy? Adam Stern maybe? I remember him starting the season on the IL (legit injury), came back late in the year then had to stay up with the big club for the first few weeks of the following season to fulfill the Rule 5 obligations so the Sox could keep him.
The Phillies are doing nothing nefarious. Especially if, you know, Song really has a back injury. Last report I saw was that Song was throwing to hitters at the Phillies' spring training facility. Next step is probably a rehab assignment and then activation.
If memory serves, Adam Stern needed to serve a full season in the Major League roster. So the time he spent on the DL did not count and he had to spend part of the next season in the big league club before he was officially a Red Sox and was immediately optioned.What should they do about it? The Phillies are doing nothing wrong and nothing a number of other teams haven't done over the years, except in this case, everyone knew going in that the guy wouldn't be conditioned to pitch a full season. They still have to carry him on the active MLB roster for the requisite number of days at some point. It's also still his best avenue to ever being a major league pitcher.
Which is precisely why he's good with the current arrangement. When healthy, he will be in the Major Leagues.If he were in the Sox organization right now, I doubt he'd be in Worcester. Salem or Greenville probably. Maybe Portland. Assuming his back was up to it at all.
The Rule 5 rules are the same and DD is still doing nothing wrong. One caveat if he does spend the whole season on the IL is that the Phillies do not have to keep him on the 26-man roster for the full season next year. I think the requirement is a minimum of 90 days on the active roster, so he'd only have to make up any difference during next season rather than the full season. (if he's active for 30 days this year, he'd need to be active for 60 days next year before the Phillies had full control and could option him to their minor leagues)If memory serves, Adam Stern needed to serve a full season in the Major League roster. So the time he spent on the DL did not count and he had to spend part of the next season in the big league club before he was officially a Red Sox and was immediately optioned.
Have the rules changed? If they haven't the same caveat applies. Whenever Song is activated he needs to spend an entire season (carrying over). Also, I believe the same rules apply to rehab assignments, which means once he starts one he has to be up within 30 days I think.
If any of these rules changed then DD is doing nothing wrong and I am an idiot (well, maybe I am anyways but that's another story)
To put that in context, we're at 62 days from the season opener. 90 days on the active roster is a long time for a club that wants to contend.The Rule 5 rules are the same and DD is still doing nothing wrong. One caveat if he does spend the whole season on the IL is that the Phillies do not have to keep him on the 26-man roster for the full season next year. I think the requirement is a minimum of 90 days on the active roster, so he'd only have to make up any difference during next season rather than the full season. (if he's active for 30 days this year, he'd need to be active for 60 days next year before the Phillies had full control and could option him to their minor leagues)
Regarding the IL rehab rules, as a pitcher he gets a maximum of 30 days of rehab before he must be activated. However, that clock can be reset if he's shut down for at least 10 days (might be 14).
The one pitcher that I can recall who did this for the Sox was John Trautwein in 1988 who came over from the Expos in the Rule 5 draft. He only appeared in nine games that year and was bombed. The interesting thing, and something that I forgot, is that on August 31 the Sox gave him back to Montreal and then they traded Victor Rosario for him on the same day. I'm not sure why they made this move on that particular date as back then you could expand your rosters to 40 and the minor league season was coming to a close, so having him on the roster wouldn't have been that big of a deal and I'm not sure where he would have played if he was sent down.To put that in context, we're at 62 days from the season opener. 90 days on the active roster is a long time for a club that wants to contend.
Peanuts, glove, sunscreen, money, good walking shoes, Radar gun. Check, check, check.View: https://twitter.com/MattGelb/status/1674172703270490119
Good luck with that PHI...
you are not going to prevent people from bringing a radar gun
Fair question.Do we even really care anymore?
Really just another chance for the media to fling pooh at ChaimFair question.
Where do we think he would rank among the current pitching prospects, and how much do we know or care about the next guy who would be ranked above him? That's how much we should care.