https://theathletic.com/5158280/2023/12/22/angels-trade-options-clayton-kershaw/?source=user_shared_articleRosenthal: What I’m hearing about the Angels’ trade chips, Clayton Kershaw’s market
Sox in on Teoscar.
Sox in on Teoscar.
Means the plan is for at least one of Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, or I suppose Yoshida to be dealt for a starter.https://theathletic.com/5158280/2023/12/22/angels-trade-options-clayton-kershaw/?source=user_shared_articleRosenthal: What I’m hearing about the Angels’ trade chips, Clayton Kershaw’s market
Sox in on Teoscar.
That would be my assumption as well. Having said that, they still have room for a DH.Means the plan is for at least one of Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, or I suppose Yoshida to be dealt for a starter.
100% you could and I really like that group outside of the fact there isn’t a real go getter in center in that group. Maybe that’s mitigated a little of you still have Rafaela?Probably but not necessarily. Rafaela could start the season in AAA or at 2B, and you could have an OF/DH crew of Yoshida-Duran-O’Neill-Hernandez-Abreu, no?
Too true. I imagine some team would value and pay him more to play the outfield. He still seems ok out there (0 OAA in ‘23). But who knows.That would be my assumption as well. Having said that, they still have room for a DH.
I don't get it. A 4 year decline in wrc+ and ops, his lowest numbers since his rookie season, bad defense. Unless the move is "trade all our other OF and feel desperate" I'm not seeing the appeal.https://theathletic.com/5158280/2023/12/22/angels-trade-options-clayton-kershaw/?source=user_shared_articleRosenthal: What I’m hearing about the Angels’ trade chips, Clayton Kershaw’s market
Sox in on Teoscar.
Yea, we have to be officially done with Pepen. To the point we may should not allow his post to be on this board. He read the Rosenthal article like the rest of us and just threw out a number.View: https://twitter.com/marino_pepen/status/1738536008595964381?s=46
Marino says Teoscar is looking for 4 years $70-$80M. Not that it means much because Marino…
Yes I’ve heard stories about him this week that puts him on the list of people not to reference on this site.Yea, we have to be officially done with Pepen. To the point we may should not allow his post to be on this board. He read the Rosenthal article like the rest of us and just threw out a number.
He is just making it up.
His home away splits are gigantic, he put up a wRC+ of +124 away from Seattle last year. He historically crushes at Fenway.I don't get it. A 4 year decline in wrc+ and ops, his lowest numbers since his rookie season, bad defense. Unless the move is "trade all our other OF and feel desperate" I'm not seeing the appeal.
Jake Cronenworth perhaps?The other thought I’ve had is they may like a second baseman who’s left handed and adding a righty like Teoscar helps open that position up to either hand.
Those are indeed nice looking Fenway splits, but the last three years look like this…with a very steep three year drop in OPS due to steep drops in both slugging and OBP.
He has a career .981 OPS against the Red Sox and a career .950 OPS at Fenway Park. Couldn't be any connection to Red Sox pitching, could there?He historically crushes at Fenway.
Mayer, Duran, and Bleis for Luzardo would be initially considered as one of the worst trades of the last decade. It would be a panic move with zero logic or resolve behind it.I’m talking myself more and more into Hernandez, if he can be had on something in the 4/$75m range.
Oddly enough, his defensive numbers improved last season going to Seattle, which seems counter intuitive with it being such a large park. However, he was playing next to the ridiculous range of Julio Rodriguez in CF as opposed to Randall Grichuk (21) and a lessened George Springer (‘22).
Anecdotally, this makes me think of a player that is decent, and possibly a little above average if his area to cover is lessened (Rodriguez) and therefore would make him a good fit next to Rafaela and his plus, plus range and defense in CF - even in Fenway’s large RF (based on his year in Seattle).
Also, the Red Sox are going to have to pretty massively overpay in terms of “other” hitting prospects to garner a starting pitcher of any consequence. With a team like the Marlins, there is zero chance they’d do a Mayer and Duran for Luzardo deal. Would they consider something like Mayer, Duran and one of Bleis, Yorke or Abreu for Luzardo and the Sox taking on the rest of AGarcia’s deal - I think they’d at least consider that.
He then leaves them money for not Monty or Snell, but probably an Imanaga / Stroman / Giolito type, and signing someone like Rosario.
Rotation becomes a much more desirable situation of Bello, Luzardo, “Stromam”, Crawford, Pivetta.
Lineup is now more balanced with something like L Yoshida - DH, R Story - SS, L Devers - 3b, R Hernandez - RF, L Casas - 1b, Garcia / Abreu - LF, R Wong - C, R Rosario - 2b, R Rafaela - CF. (I assume Miami would prefer Bleis or Yorke to Abreu).
Honestly - at a certain level I’m trying to find any path toward getting a young, top half of the rotation starter in a trade, and that is highly unrealistic, but might as well hope, right. Better than the alternative of running back anything resembling the last 4 seasons starting rotation junk.
Feels like a Mike Napoli type of acquisition.
I’m pretty underwhelmed by the idea of signing Teoscar Herndez, especially if it’s 4 yrs and $70-80m.I’m talking myself more and more into Hernandez, if he can be had on something in the 4/$75m range.
I’m in between. I don’t see them giving a 4th year. My gut says 3/55mm4/$75m is way more than I’d spend on Teo. I was thinking like 2/$30m, but maybe I’m wrong about his market.
Who is this guy and should we find him credible?
Fabian is real. Especially when it comes to DR players.Who is this guy and should we find him credible?
Can't Cedanne just start in AAA instead?Duran or Cedanne is definitely going if Hernandez is getting signed. Probably in a package.
Both of them have some incredible dynamic ceilings but Cedanne’s youth makes him both the more valuable.
Yes, he could easily start the season in AAA, or at 2B. Abreu could also start the season in AAA. Yoshida could DH. I don’t think a potential singing of Hernandez definitely suggests anything- lots of different directions the team could go in with the personnel they have.Can't Cedanne just start in AAA instead?
FWIW, I'm fine trading him if other teams value him, because I'm skeptical of his hitting.
Or maybe Yoshida is going?Duran or Cedanne is definitely going if Hernandez is getting signed. Probably in a package.
Both of them have some incredible dynamic ceilings but Cedanne’s youth makes him both the more valuable.
I wouldn’t move him anyway, but with that contract you aren’t getting any value back.Or maybe Yoshida is going?
i feel like they have to move one of the bad fielders to have a good teamI wouldn’t move him anyway, but with that contract you aren’t getting any value back.
Yoshida right now is worth almost nothing. Yoshida stretching his April-July performance into six months is incredibly valuable. Trading him now would be an awful move.Or maybe Yoshida is going?
I want to believe but I feel like (1) devers has a long track record of being bad in the field (flashes of good stuff but sloppy) and (2) Yoshi is not a young player, just new to mlb - not sure he becomes good defensivelyI think it's still too early to give up on any of Casas/Devers/Yoshida on defense, especially given the new management, for a guy like Chapman who seems to be declining and costs a QO pick. There's a good chance at least one of them could improve substantially next year, and having having good D at SS and 2B (assuming an acquisition there) is going to make for a substantially different defensive picture compared to 2023.
A low value on a player can recover, but it also can go even lower.Yoshida right now is worth almost nothing. Yoshida stretching his April-July performance into six months is incredibly valuable. Trading him now would be an awful move.
At least some of that is the move to Seattle. Road SLG was .486. Not amazing, but not horrible.Is anyone concerned about Teoscar’s SLG trend? He’s gone from 579 (shortened 2020, to be fair) to 524 to 491 to 435. Power helps, but 38 bb / 211 k is sobering.
If it’s a 3 year deal and moves Yoshida to DH, I’m down.
Good point about the move to Seattle. They really need some power, get him and Drury and I think the lineup would look pretty solid. The lack of walks and the ton of strikeouts makes me feel like he’s a player that will probably be frustrating, though.At least some of that is the move to Seattle. Road SLG was .486.
I had a memory that he was better in the second half, but in actuality, he really just had two good months: June and August. His April and July were barely playable. I think he might just be streaky. Still, I’ve mentally penciled him in for Boston next year, and I don’t hate it.
Don’t mean you specifically, but for anyone posting tweets by this anonymous account, can you find what they’re referencing? “Boston Strong” doesn’t do any reporting.
The real outlier there seems to be his home splits the one year in Seattle.Is anyone concerned about Teoscar’s SLG trend? He’s gone from 579 (shortened 2020, to be fair) to 524 to 491 to 435. Power helps, but 38 bb / 211 k is sobering.
If it’s a 3 year deal and moves Yoshida to DH, I’m down.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oneilty01.shtmlTeoscar also makes sense because he represents something that is missing through the system and that’s corner right handed power. He fits in very well with the Nucleus of Devers, Casas, Duran + the Big3 minor leaguers.
Tyler O’Neil is under contract for one season
LOL.... Hernandez has more consistent power numbers.