Yes. But they traded for him, so he's on the team as a RHH corner outfielder. May have power. May suck ass. But he's in the mix, like it or not.
What Happens Next if They Sign Teoscar?
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What’s the deal with this guy? Writes for the Athletic but has a little over 2k followers. Only other “breaking news” on his feed was Zeke to the Pats, now he’s scooped everyone else?
I’m unfamiliar with him, so if he’s legit, someone please enlighten me.
I’m unfamiliar with him, so if he’s legit, someone please enlighten me.
I think it’d have to be bigger in total dollars than Gurriel got so I’m guessing 4/$56-ish.
That’s whet I was thinking. If they bring Paxton aboard as what is being reported then I’m guessing we have a pitcher added to the package. I was hoping we could add Yelich and his salary to a Burnes trade to make it not quite as steep a price, but this does not seem make that possible. But a package could be coming together none the less.
He does not even work for the Athletic as far as I can tell. No authors by that name on the athletic app
MLBTR ranks him as the 12th best available free agent and predicted 4/80 at the start of the offseason.
View: https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/1739242619840971182?s=46&t=Tl7uNH0-pxEyJtNj1BktDA
Tweet from Peter Gammons, 6:12 am, 12/25/23:
Yoshida told fellow clubbies in season he thought Yamamoto was L.A.-bound. There was/is no quick fi$$, only scouting, development, culture and where 4 AL East teams--better now--are in 2005. Fun is a state of mind. See how much fun they can get outta life
Tweet from Peter Gammons, 6:12 am, 12/25/23:
Yoshida told fellow clubbies in season he thought Yamamoto was L.A.-bound. There was/is no quick fi$$, only scouting, development, culture and where 4 AL East teams--better now--are in 2005. Fun is a state of mind. See how much fun they can get outta life
Gammons is the Oracle at Delphi in terms of clarity.
Did he mean 2025, as in Sox won't be competitive in 2024? Ties into the odd stuff about fun at the end, as in have fun even while losing more games than you win? We need a decoder ring.
We're not "arguing." Tyler O'Neill is a RHH corner OF who has been a power hitter in the past when healthy. The Sox traded a pair of pitching prospects, Robertson and Santos for O'Neill. There was no salary dump, there was no ML player swap. This is a straight up acquisition.
Ergo, they plan on playing Tyler O'Neill at the ML level as a corner OF for one year.
That does not mean he'll be healthy, or good if healthy, or that he'll be extended, or that they won't sign another (better) player, or trade other players, or even trade O'Neill.
What it does mean is that a RHH corner OF with power is in the system, and can fill that role. His name is Tyler O'Neill.
What’s the OF situation if they get Teoscar?
Teoscar
O’Neill
Duran
Yoshida
Refnsyder
Abreu
Rafaella
Obviously a couple of guys are either getting traded or sent to AAA. Refsnyder in particular already seemed redundant once we got O’Neill. And Yoshida can DH, but the thing I don’t like about that (compared to Turner) is that you now need someone else who can play 1B. Hmm. Many pieces in play.
Teoscar
O’Neill
Duran
Yoshida
Refnsyder
Abreu
Rafaella
Obviously a couple of guys are either getting traded or sent to AAA. Refsnyder in particular already seemed redundant once we got O’Neill. And Yoshida can DH, but the thing I don’t like about that (compared to Turner) is that you now need someone else who can play 1B. Hmm. Many pieces in play.
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Dalbec played a bunch of games in the OF for Worcester. Not sure if he’s acceptable out there but he is capable of also playing around the infield. He hit LHP enough to be part of a platoon.
Bad defense. Pretty good RH power. Ok. I've been on the "they need RH power" train for a while now. Not sure he's the best guy they can get but maybe he is. He's certainly a legit MLB regular starting caliber player. Last three seasons he's averaged just under 3.0 bWAR per year, which is fine.
Last year he was incredibly streaky. Had 4 months under .700 OPS and then mashed the other 2 months. Doesn’t look like he was too streaky in 2021 or 2022. This would be a meh move to me in isolation. If it’s part of something larger to get another SP, it would get more intriguing.
With a decent chance Roman Anthony has a starting job by April/May 2025 (aiming for a ROY draft pick).
So looking at 2025, a Teoscar signing means he’d join Yoshida, Abreu, Duran, Rafaela, and Anthony sharing four spots, with Bleis hopefully on the horizon.
If the Sox think Anthony can actually hang in CF a few years, I think Rafaela is indeed part of a package on the block for a starter.
At least to hear the Sox Prospects guys talk about it, scouts in the organization apparently do think Anthony can stick at CF. Supposedly, they see a potential above-average defender there. No idea if that’s really the case, but that’s what was said on one of the recent podcasts.
I could see Rafaela going in a deal for pitching, especially since Breslow has said they will look to deal position players for arms. Then again, I wouldn’t mind if they just sent him back to AAA to see if he can/will work on his chase issues.
I could see Rafaela going in a deal for pitching, especially since Breslow has said they will look to deal position players for arms. Then again, I wouldn’t mind if they just sent him back to AAA to see if he can/will work on his chase issues.
That Gammo tweet with the Teoscar smoke has me a bit spooked, not gonna lie. Another bridge year is one thing, but potentially severely overpaying Teoscar?
I’m guessing 4/80.
Bringing him in makes more possible pieces available in trades too. Have to see what the next moves are
Did Gammo make a Teoscar tweet? Or are you saying the Gammo Yoshida tweet gave you a contact high and the prospect of expensive Teoscar is turning your trip bad?
I really hope this rumor is not credible. TH's best year was the short 2020 season at age 27, and after that he's declined as he's gone past the average peak age, with 2021-22 still looking good (by wOBA and WRC+), and then a noticeable drop off last year (age 30) to barely above average. He is not a good defender and is going to be locked up for ages 31-34?
This looks like a player who has peaked and the team is clearly paying for the decline. The only way this contract works is if it's something that can be easily jettisoned. I don't see the point to paying him and trading for a pitcher with less control, instead of just paying for a pitcher (I guess if you can get a solid SP for a package without the blue chip prospects, then this might make sense, but I doubt that's possible).
This looks like a player who has peaked and the team is clearly paying for the decline. The only way this contract works is if it's something that can be easily jettisoned. I don't see the point to paying him and trading for a pitcher with less control, instead of just paying for a pitcher (I guess if you can get a solid SP for a package without the blue chip prospects, then this might make sense, but I doubt that's possible).
Gurriel is only 1 year younger and hits for less power. Their overall value may be similar, but the Red Sox might think Teoscar's skills would be a better match for Fenway and the current needs than Gurriel.
I would have rather gone $30/M for Gray and $30M for Nola and keep the OF as is.
I mean this in a way that I’m assuming there’s a spending ceiling and that $30M for those two would have been the overpay that moved them to Boston
I mean this in a way that I’m assuming there’s a spending ceiling and that $30M for those two would have been the overpay that moved them to Boston
Yeah, I'm with you that signing quality FAs when the team has the payroll space is much preferable than trading good young players. It would sting to see either Duran or Abreu go - I think both could give us several years of exciting play. Though I like the possibilty of Teoscar joining the team, offering some power from the right side, which they sorely need.
If they get him, and the subsequent shoe is a talented pitcher via a trade, well, it could potentially be worth it. Though I hope they sign at least ONE good FA pitcher, whether Imanaga or Montgomery or Snell, even while maybe a second will be acquired through trade ...
Sure, I can see wanting him more. I’d just expect the price to be in the same ballpark.
Thoughts on adding Soler as a RH bat rather than Hernandez ... will be 32 - might come on a shorter deal?
Yeah, I wouldn't offer Hernandez a dime more than Gurriel received. They are incredibly similar players both offensively (career OPS .12 points apart) and defensively (both are bad for their careers but rated a bit above average last season), except Gurriel is younger and had a better season last year while Hernandez is a year older and is coming off 4 straight seasons of declining production with the bat. Even at equal money I'd be prefer Gurriel. Sox would probably be better served with a shorter, cheaper deal for Duvall.
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I’d much rather Soler than Hernandez
Of course I’d like them to get a few SP as well and maybe stop acting like they’re an impoverished hapless franchise like Oakland but what can you do
He'd be cheaper but he can no longer play the field, and probably never should have even when he did. He'd be another guy whose natural position is DH on a team that seems to have cornered the market on players fitting that description.
I really, really hope this rumor is bogus. Spending Eduardo Rodriguez money on a declining Teoscar Hernandez - for 4 friggin years- is ridiculous. There is little reason to think that he'd even be an upgrade from Tyler O'Neil, who can at least play defense. If the team wants to waste a bunch of money on an uninspiring free agent, I'd rather they blow away the competition on Marcus Stroman or an injured Clayton Kershaw. If they are going to waste money it should least be in an area of need...
Take heart in that no one has followed up on it ... they didn't even recap it on MLBTR. Shows, once again, that the internet is filled with people claiming to be "insiders," who in fact aren't worth posting here. The guy who started this claimed to work for The Athletic; yet no evidence that he does could be found. It doesn't take long to figure out whether a source is legit, and it sure would save a lot of unnecessary angst if people did so before posting such "reports."
Attempting to answer the new thread title, if we now have a Teoscar, that almost certainly means he's in LF with Masa at DH. So with O'Neill in right, we've got an overflow in the OF with one starting spot for Duran, Abreu & Rafaela, and I have to assume at least one is getting traded, though I think with O'Neill's injury history it would be prudent to hold on to the third.
Then again, our OF is suddenly right handed, so maybe it's Refsnyder who gets a new home as having a platoon isn't urgent anymore?
Among IF, Yoshida's move to DH means one less space available to find coverage for the corners. I think it becomes extra important to find a 2B who can do that for flexibility (I'll continue to bang the Drury drum), but I also want someone on the bench who'd be comfortable spelling Casas. If Urshela's market slips, he might fit? But it doesn't seem likely to me that he can't find something better than a super sub role.
1. Duran CF L
2. Story SS R
3. Yoshida DH L
4. Devers 3B L
5. Hernandez LF R
6. Casas 1B L
7. O'Neill RF R
8. Drury 2B R
9. Wong C R
Bench: McGuire, Abreu, Urshela/Rafaela, Reyes
Then again, our OF is suddenly right handed, so maybe it's Refsnyder who gets a new home as having a platoon isn't urgent anymore?
Among IF, Yoshida's move to DH means one less space available to find coverage for the corners. I think it becomes extra important to find a 2B who can do that for flexibility (I'll continue to bang the Drury drum), but I also want someone on the bench who'd be comfortable spelling Casas. If Urshela's market slips, he might fit? But it doesn't seem likely to me that he can't find something better than a super sub role.
1. Duran CF L
2. Story SS R
3. Yoshida DH L
4. Devers 3B L
5. Hernandez LF R
6. Casas 1B L
7. O'Neill RF R
8. Drury 2B R
9. Wong C R
Bench: McGuire, Abreu, Urshela/Rafaela, Reyes
Speier reported that the Sox had been “discussing potential contract parameters” with Teoscar as of Saturday night. Haven’t seen any credible reports of a 4 year deal but there’s a lot of smoke, and the silence could be due to the holiday.
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