There's a world where Bears decide they want MHJ and can't orchestrate a trade down.Hopefully someone messes up and takes MHJ or Daniels top 2. Or forgets to turn in their pick on time.
There's a world where Bears decide they want MHJ and can't orchestrate a trade down.Hopefully someone messes up and takes MHJ or Daniels top 2. Or forgets to turn in their pick on time.
No he won't. The compensation is agreed before the coach can interview.If BB gets the GM gig where he goes, he’ll be in the spot of determining what his own value is. Fascinating stuff.
It's also been said multiple times in this forum that LAC is $45M over the cap for next year. Herbert's top three receivers are on the wrong side of 30, and his other WR on the right side of 30 is constantly hurt (Williams, he missed more than half the season this year).Because it’s a very short rebuild, the quarterback is stellar, and there are a lot of great places outside of LA to dock VIII Rings.
And if RKK found out Bill and LAC spoke without RKK knowing, that is called tampering.
You really think an owner of an NFL team is more apt to reach out to the contracted coach of another team before they reach out to the owner? NFL ownership is one of the most exclusive clubs on the planet.
Why would either of those going top 2 be a good thing? I want to see a defensive player generate some helium and go top 2 as I don't think NE needs to invest any more draft capital into the top several rounds of the draft. Having Daniels and MHJ available at 3 is a good thing IMO. I'm still not 100% sold on Maye, seemed to have a very similar Jr and Sr year. Will need to see what the experts who grind a lot more tape have to say before I'm comfortable with him at 3.Hopefully someone messes up and takes MHJ or Daniels top 2. Or forgets to turn in their pick on time.
In this case, no coach of any team should have ever been traded in NFL history. Because they could just wait to be fired. Then hired by the new team. But you keep forgetting RKK owns the coaching and GM rights to BB. That’s leverage for not only him, but teams that reach out to him.Well I think tampering happens all of the time, and it would be pretty simple for the Chargers to get word to BB (or his agent, or his cousin, or whoever) that they’d hire him if the Pats don’t want him back.
But again there Is zero reason for Bill to agree to this. The second Kraft comes to him and says “It isn’t working out, I can deal you to the Chargers if you want to go there“ Bill knows (a) Kraft isn’t bringing him back and (b) the Chargers want him. At that point the only rational move for Bill is to force Kraft to fire him and go to the Chargers without having the Chargers have to give anything up.
Because the poster wants Williams or Maye and one of those other guys going in top 2 means one of those is available?Why would either of those going top 2 be a good thing?
Coaches get traded when the coach no longer wants to coach for the team he is under contract for but the owner does not want to release him from his contract.In this case, no coach of any team should have ever been traded in NFL history. Because they could just wait to be fired. Then hired by the new team. But you keep forgetting RKK owns the coaching and GM rights to BB. That’s leverage for not only him, but teams that reach out to him.
RKK wants to do what’s best for the NEP.
Well, to my understanding if Washington hires Belichick he will probably take a safety at 2.Hopefully someone messes up and takes MHJ or Daniels top 2. Or forgets to turn in their pick on time.
Small thing but Bosa is 28.It's also been said multiple times in this forum that LAC is $45M over the cap for next year. Herbert's top three receivers are on the wrong side of 30, and his other WR on the right side of 30 is constantly hurt (Williams, he missed more than half the season this year).
On Defense, Mack and Bosa need to be restructured significantly but that likely won't happen as they are both over 30 and making more than $30M each. They are both likely to be traded with LAC holding part of that bag. Moreover, another 5 defensive starters are FA.
It's not as nearly as attractive as you are making it out to be and, even though Herbert has had some weapons, the Chargers are not in any position to be a real contender next season.
Yep. Had Arizona held on, they would've picked 4th had they beaten the Jets.As it turns out, the Pats would have received #5 with a win today, is that right?
Thanks. So glad they lost.Yep. Had Arizona held on, they would've picked 4th had they beaten the Jets.
I knew I should have looked that up. I remember his playing against Brady in the 2018 playoff season and just thought he must be over 30. Point stands though.Small thing but Bosa is 28.
So I really don't think the Bears trade down because I think they take their QB at 1, but....My question--if the Pats fall in love with one of the QBs, what would they give to jump to #1? The Commanders will almost certainly be taking a QB at #2 and the Bears could get some assets and still get MHJ at #3 and still have the 9th pick.
They would have been 4th since NYG beat PHI.As it turns out, the Pats would have received #5 with a win today, is that right?
Oh, now that I look at it, I think you're right. Think they just would have flopped spots with AZ, who sits at #4, and stayed above Chargers, who sit at #5.They would have been 4th since NYG beat PHI.
I agree with all of this. But Bill may be looking at a 5-8 year window. He may use next year to get their cap right. By years two or three he’s built the team that he wants. Who knows?It's also been said multiple times in this forum that LAC is $45M over the cap for next year. Herbert's top three receivers are on the wrong side of 30, and his other WR on the right side of 30 is constantly hurt (Williams, he missed more than half the season this year).
On Defense, Mack and Bosa need to be restructured significantly but that likely won't happen as they are both over 30 and making more than $30M each. They are both likely to be traded with LAC holding part of that bag. Moreover, another 5 defensive starters are FA.
It's not as nearly as attractive as you are making it out to be and, even though Herbert has had some weapons, the Chargers are not in any position to be a real contender next season.
I think he can ... which is the only leverage Kraft might have.Can RKK just say to Bill "we aren't firing you but we are retaining your rights incase anyone wants you?"
I think this is what people are missing. Pair that with Bill is what, 71? And wants to beat Shula’s wins record.Can RKK just say to Bill "we aren't firing you but we are retaining your rights incase anyone wants you?"
I keep seeing RKK has no leverage. If he fires BB, he's on the hook for the $25M (or whatever) anyways. If it's a sunk cost why not just retain his rights and hire a new GM and HC?
LAC also has one of the bottom 5(?) owners in the NFL. A cheap, greedy, bombastic, publicity hound failson. I suspect that's pretty important to BB if he wants to relocate.It's also been said multiple times in this forum that LAC is $45M over the cap for next year. Herbert's top three receivers are on the wrong side of 30, and his other WR on the right side of 30 is constantly hurt (Williams, he missed more than half the season this year).
On Defense, Mack and Bosa need to be restructured significantly but that likely won't happen as they are both over 30 and making more than $30M each. They are both likely to be traded with LAC holding part of that bag. Moreover, another 5 defensive starters are FA.
It's not as nearly as attractive as you are making it out to be and, even though Herbert has had some weapons, the Chargers are not in any position to be a real contender next season.
Uh no? You either fire him or he's employed in his job. You can't prevent him from working but not release him from the contractCan RKK just say to Bill "we aren't firing you but we are retaining your rights incase anyone wants you?"
I keep seeing RKK has no leverage. If he fires BB, he's on the hook for the $25M (or whatever) anyways. If it's a sunk cost why not just retain his rights and hire a new GM and HC?
Assuming they don’t have a healthy working relationship at all (which is at the heart of what you’re saying, and not at all what I believe):He has no trade value unless Kraft is willing to have him back as GM/Coach next year.
No, he can’t do that. Bill Belichick is coach and GM and CEO (or whatever title he has) of the NEP. If Kraft wants to bring in a GM over Bill and Bill doesn’t want him to, he can’t. Unless he fires him. And he can’t just park him on the sideline and pay him to do nothing.Assuming they don’t have a healthy working relationship at all (which is at the heart of what you’re saying):
Kraft says “Bill, I’m hiring a GM, you’re just the coach now.”
Bill says, “yeah that’s not going to happen.”
Kraft says, “okay, so you’re not honoring your contract? Enjoy sitting on the beach on the Cape, pulling months off the calendar, sitting firmly behind Shula, while I own your rights indefinitely.”
Of course Bill is incentivized to play ball with RKK. C’mon.
Kraft could do whatever he wants to make the last year awful for Bill. Add a million assistants. Fire his kids. Add “assistant GMs.” We don’t even know if Bill isn’t under separate contracts for each role.No, he can’t do that. Bill Belichick is coach and GM and CEO (or whatever title he has) of the NEP. If Kraft wants to bring in a GM over Bill and Bill doesn’t want him to, he can’t. Unless he fires him. And he can’t just park him on the sideline and pay him to do nothing.
Right because in an effort to extract compensation for BB, Kraft is going to sabotage an entire season of his football team to make life miserable for BB.Kraft could do whatever he wants to make the last year awful for Bill. Add a million assistants. Fire his kids. Add “assistant GMs.” We don’t even know if Bill isn’t under separate contracts for each role.
You really think Bill is the one hanging RKK over a barrel? No chance.
That's just not realistic. Sabotage next season for spite? I mean, wow.Kraft could do whatever he wants to make the last year awful for Bill. Add a million assistants. Fire his kids. Add “assistant GMs.” We don’t even know if Bill isn’t under separate contracts for each role.
You really think Bill is the one hanging RKK over a barrel? No chance.
I’m not saying he’s going to do those things. I’m saying RKK is in control of the whole operation.
Not Bill. And without knowing how the contract is structured, no one can say what RKK can and can’t do. He may very well be able to fire Bill from the GM role and keep in the HC role.
We have no idea. Or demote some of the coaching staff and promote who he wants regardless of what Bill wants. He already did that: see, O’Brien, Bill.
This is the most ridiculous post I've ever read in this forum. I take that back, the second most ridiculous behind post 1,380. Kraft can't do any of that and wouldn't if he could. It's insane. If he's gonna move on, he's gonna move on.I’m not saying he’s going to do those things. I’m saying RKK is in control of the whole operation.
Not Bill. And without knowing how the contract is structured, no one can say what RKK can and can’t do. He may very well be able to fire Bill from the GM role and keep in the HC role.
We have no idea. Or demote some of the coaching staff and promote who he wants regardless of what Bill wants. He already did that: see, O’Brien, Bill.
I think this is going to be really interesting the next couple months.There's a world where Bears decide they want MHJ and can't orchestrate a trade down.
I don't think it's particularly impossible. Might not have to trade down at all, Penix going in the 1st round is far from a given.I have an impossible dream of trading down and drafting Penix and Odunze. But even Penix and a different big time receiving threat could be nice.
In fact, he's still in the 3rd round in some mocks. Although, I doubt he slips that far.I don't think it's particularly impossible. Might not have to trade down at all, Penix going in the 1st round is far from a given.
I think this will come down to the medical screenings. There's been some chatter of teams taking him off their board completely. I don't really buy it, but those are major red flags for a top 10 pick.I think Penix earned himself a top 10 pick with his play against Texas. If he has another night like that tomorrow, I think it is a guarantee.
I really doubt it. One good game against a bad secondary did not change how scouts who've been watching him for 5 years feel about him. A big game against Michigan might help since that's a good D, but even then.... given the medicals I kinda doubt it. The best thing about Texas was he showed good mobility, more so than the stats.I think Penix earned himself a top 10 pick with his play against Texas. If he has another night like that tomorrow, I think it is a guarantee.
I don't. He had 4,600 yards and a total of, what, 38 TDs this season. The mobility he showed, the accuracy on deep balls, and his mechanics are all pretty damn great.I really doubt it. One good game against a bad secondary did not change how scouts who've been watching him for 5 years feel about him. A big game against Michigan might help since that's a good D, but even then.... given the medicals I kinda doubt it. The best thing about Texas was he showed good mobility, more so than the stats.
I mean... Mahomes was several years younger, had 2 less torn ACLs and 2 less shoulder surgeries, he also played on a bad team not on a loaded offense behind arguably the best line in college.I don't. He had 4,600 yards and a total of, what, 38 TDs this season. The mobility he showed, the accuracy on deep balls, and his mechanics are all pretty damn great.
The last guy to do what Penix did was Mahomes and Mahomes went #10. Mahomes never sniffed the National Championship either.
The last guy to do what Penix did was Mahomes? Statistically?I don't. He had 4,600 yards and a total of, what, 38 TDs this season. The mobility he showed, the accuracy on deep balls, and his mechanics are all pretty damn great.
The last guy to do what Penix did was Mahomes and Mahomes went #10. Mahomes never sniffed the National Championship either.
That's fair.I mean... Mahomes was several years younger, had 2 less torn ACLs and 2 less shoulder surgeries, he also played on a bad team not on a loaded offense behind arguably the best line in college.
Stats mean very little in isolation, plenty of the highest performers by stats aren't NFL caliber, or end up busts, others put up mediocre stats and are good pros.
Penix's mechanics are okay, but he's had a lot of inconsistency with them this year, lot of hitching, his reads of coverage have been generally inconsistent. He's an interesting player, but his tape isn't overall what you'd usually consider 1st round tape, he throws a nice deep ball, but struggles with touch and placement on intermediates, and he's almost a reverse (NFL) Mac Jones, he avoids the middle of the field because he doesn't like (or see through) the traffic.
Though actually the last guy to do what Penix did was probably one of Mac Jones, Joe Burrow or Dwayne Haskins, depending how you want to define "what he's doing" (or Bailey Zappe if we don't limit it to power conferences).
I can see the case for a team falling in love with Penix and drafting him mid-1st, I think late 1st is more likely.