not a fan of ISO because
I mean it's not just Jaylen and Jayson. Every team in the league goes to an ISO for their best player when the clock is nearing zero. It's what all teams do, because as we saw, you don't want to give the other team the ball with 3 seconds left. This is all on Jaylen - he needs to know he can't make that move that early in the clock
Huh. The fact that Porzingis pulls up as soon as the whistle is blown doesn’t factor in?
No excuse other than the other team is good and plays basketball too? Do the Celtics have to win every quarter they play? What do you mean there's no excuse?
Yeah, I mean he clearly has a chance at this without the whistle. That’s another blown call.
did you watch the quarter? They played abysmally and almost no defense. There’s no excuse for that
I mean it wasn't really close. It was the Pacers player who actually stopped and still got the ball while Porzingis kept crashing but didn't get there in time.
It's impossible to defend what happened in Indiana tonight.
Watch the replay. It was an airball that went right into Indy player's hands. Porzingis had no chance at that rebound. The whistle blew like .2 seconds before it landed in Indy's hands.
I thought the whistle blew early, we just couldn't hear it until late on the TV. You can see KP pull up pretty early.
Yes. If Brown front rims it, KP is getting that board.
if you look at a replay, TJ trails Jaylen & leaves White wide open at the top. Jaylen drew tons of attention, which is fantastic. The ISO did its job. He just needed to kick it to DW
I watched the game. They got beat in the third quarter. That happens occasionally in competitive sports. They don't need "an excuse". What's a bizarre way to frame it.
But he didn't front rim it. It landed in a Pacers hands who had rebounding position and was the player who stopped. KP was never getting that rebound if there was no whistle.
Yea I can't believe folks are bitching about the rebounding/possession part of this play. Focus on the non-call
That’s what makes it weird. The official on the floor clearly saw the head contact because he called the foul. Then the crew chief, after review, gaslights Jaylen and tells him he didn’t get hit in the head. It just doesn’t add up.
This implies that all members of the crew be in on the fix.
I get that but wasn’t their primary thing getting a team’s star player(s) in foul trouble? Not overturning the un-overturnable. The Celtics don’t have foul trouble last night, and other than the last 2 plays, it didn’t strike me as particularly bad reffing. They didn’t have instant replay back in the Donaghy days, but surely this would be the type of thing they would have wanted to avoid.
Good things happen for the C's when Porzingis touches the ball on a possession.
Consistent with what many of us noted in the game thread about the team's play in the third, the Celtics coach agreed they lost the game there and didn't match Indy's intensity.
https://theathletic.com/5189601/2024/01/09/celtics-pacers-controversial-call-jaylen-brown/
Of course they lost the game in the third. Indy came out with their hair on fire at home, after carrying their star off the floor in pain before half. The Celtics didn't match that.
Also the game was literally tied with 0.3 seconds left.
You are working against a straw man I don't care to defend; I should have known better than to respond to you in the first place.
I'm genuinely confused. Am I misreading something here? Here's the post I'm responding to:
My point has simply been that it's too high a standard to call that effort inexcusable.
Ha, I should have been in the game thread last night. Coulda sent my parents over to his house for to talk it out over coffee or something.
That was not your point. The first straw man you laid out was:
I said neither of those things. I think the effort level defensively in the third quarter was atrocious and shouldn't happen. Several others have said the same; the coach clearly understood Indiana played at a much different level of intensity. You don't have to agree with any of those, but I can't guess at what you think someone said and respond to it.
No, what you said was that there was no excuse that they "gave up control" in the third quarter. That's literally what you said, and what I responded to.
I mean.. you could basically say that there's no such thing as a foul if you make any contact with the ball according to that statement.
If the league wants to argue that if he got ball before head, it's a block, I can understand that. But when you slow it down, he gets head first. Obviously, head is not part of the ball.
Their explanation is that the head contact was incidental and did not merit a foul call. It’s unsatisfying to say the least.
Full report here: L2M Report (nba.com)
