2013/14 BC Basketball -- Coach D on the hot seat

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Virginia Tech just stole Buzz Williams from Marquette. So, let me now recap some of the coaches in the ACC:
 
Coach K
Jim Boeheim
Rick Pitino
Roy Williams
Jamie Dixon
Jim Larrangna
Buzz Williams
Mike Brey
 
You can't pussyfoot around this hire, Brad. Go big or go home.
 
 
The "New" BE is a mid major, IMHO, so don't be surprised if the next BC coach comes out of there....agree this hire will determine whether BC is legit player in hoops or a schedule filler. Does Easy Ed Cooley get any love here. I am a football guy, don't care about BC hoops at all. So I can't comment on who is the right fit. Look to all of you on this one.
 

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Virginia Tech just stole Buzz Williams from Marquette. So, let me now recap some of the coaches in the ACC:
 
Coach K
Jim Boeheim
Rick Pitino
Roy Williams
Jamie Dixon
Jim Larrangna
Buzz Williams
Mike Brey
 
You can't pussyfoot around this hire, Brad. Go big or go home.
Agreed. Whichever of the Millers is at Dayton is about to be a very hot commodity. He'd be a slam dunk, but probably has his sights set on the Midwest like more of less everybody else from the Matta tree.
 

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After years of the BC basketball program shitting on me, I'd have no problem looking like a hypocrite. But this is BC. We'll pass and hire some jackass from Towson, Manhattan, etc.

 
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I have no clue about who the Towson coach is or the state of the program there. However, I think you are seriously underestimating Steve Masiello as a head coach. He has learned from one of the best coaches in Rick Pitino both as a player and as an assistant coach. The "Pitino tree" if you will, has such successful "branches" as Billy Donovan at Florida and Rick Pitino Jr in Minnosota. There are no sure things, but you could possibly have the next Billy Donovan. Afterall, Masiello has turned around the Manhattan program in 3 years which is not very easy to do.  Did you see the Jaspers game against Louisville? Were you not impressed?  I honestly do not understand why you are so against the possible hiring of an up and coming coach such as Masiello.
On the other hand, Masiello is a Pitino disciple so morally he probably is a jackass but I was talking only on the court. :buddy:  
 

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The "New" BE is a mid major, IMHO, so don't be surprised if the next BC coach comes out of there....agree this hire will determine whether BC is legit player in hoops or a schedule filler. Does Easy Ed Cooley get any love here. I am a football guy, don't care about BC hoops at all. So I can't comment on who is the right fit. Look to all of you on this one.
 
I like Ed Cooley a lot.  He probably should have been the guy last time. I don't see him as a fit now.   He has a pretty huge contract at providence, and it is his home town team.  Also with the exception of Marcus Cotton who the genius turned away when he showed up looking for a scholie,  there have been few Cooley recruits who he could have brought to BC
 
I also cant imagine anyway BC doesn't just laugh if Calhoun is asking for the job. 27 years ago BC made a mistake in passing him up for that fraud O'Brien. But after 25 years of running an outlaw program at UConn graduating no one, etc.  There is no way he is a fit for BC today
 
BC needs to move forward, not revisit their past.  Look at guys like Skerry, the Manhattan coach, and some other guys of that profile, and decide which one fits the university and their goals.   BC needs someone who accepts, and believes that the combination of Boston, BC academics, and the ACC are the strengths of the program, and what they should be selling recruits on.   That has been something Daz has done a good job with in football.   
 

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The "New" BE is a mid major, IMHO, so don't be surprised if the next BC coach comes out of there....agree this hire will determine whether BC is legit player in hoops or a schedule filler. Does Easy Ed Cooley get any love here. I am a football guy, don't care about BC hoops at all. So I can't comment on who is the right fit. Look to all of you on this one.
I am a graduate of Fairfield University. Ed Cooley coached here before taking the PC job. He got the Stags to the championship game of the MAAC a few times but was never able to get the team over the hump and into the NCAAs although we played in the NIT and CIT tourneys. As a coach, I would say he is a B+ recruiter and decent in game coach. However, I do not think the BC job would interest him since it would be a lateral move for the most part. On the other hand he does have BC ties , so what do I know? LOL He is at least worth an interview I think.
 On a tangent, I am jelous of all my PC friends since Cooley got you into the NCAAs and never was able to do that with us. LOL
 

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The four key ACC coaches are 60 and older. K, Williams and Boeheim are not going to be coaching effectively for more than a couple years. The smart move for BC is to hire a jay wright type for $3M. In three years you will be at top of conference. Bret, larannga, buzz et al are fine but not world beaters. Brey sucks IMHO.

Opportunity is there. Ed Cooley is not the answer. His methods would not be appreciated.
 

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The four key ACC coaches are 60 and older. K, Williams and Boeheim are not going to be coaching effectively for more than a couple years. The smart move for BC is to hire a jay wright type for $3M. In three years you will be at top of conference. Bret, larannga, buzz et al are fine but not world beaters. Brey sucks IMHO.

Opportunity is there. Ed Cooley is not the answer. His methods would not be appreciated.
 
Can you expand on that? I think if/when Cooley leaves his hometown program, it'll be for a much bigger job than BC. I'd argue PC's the better gig right now. Better facilities, more enthused fan base, easier conference to compete in, and a lot of young talent coming in. All while making 2 mil per to coach in his home state.
 
MANY PC fans loved Skerry as an assistant in Providence.  Big time recruiter.
 

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My top two are him and Pat Skerry. 
 
See how Masiello does next year.  This year's Manhattan team was basically the product of a bunch of guys that were already on the team before he started... and his star player getting a 5th year, due to injury.
 

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See how Masiello does next year.  This year's Manhattan team was basically the product of a bunch of guys that were already on the team before he started... and his star player getting a 5th year, due to injury.
Well it looks like he's heading to USF so we probably won't get that chance.
 

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I am a graduate of Fairfield University. Ed Cooley coached here before taking the PC job. He got the Stags to the championship game of the MAAC a few times but was never able to get the team over the hump and into the NCAAs although we played in the NIT and CIT tourneys. As a coach, I would say he is a B+ recruiter and decent in game coach. However, I do not think the BC job would interest him since it would be a lateral move for the most part. On the other hand he does have BC ties , so what do I know? LOL He is at least worth an interview I think.
 On a tangent, I am jelous of all my PC friends since Cooley got you into the NCAAs and never was able to do that with us. LOL
Obviously, a homer here, but a B+ recruiter? In relation to what or whom? Since taking over PC, he has delivered a top ten recruiting class, next year's I believe is top twenty, and in total, 5 top 100 guys, and 3 more 100-150 guys. The recruits he has targeted and got at pc are guys pc would never have dreamed of 4 years ago.

In regards to BC, skerry should be their target.

That Towson team he took over was devoid of talent, historically bad and, a couple years later is a very decent team.
 

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I've said Skerry is my first choice.

Cooley has done a very good job recurring so far so I'm not sure where the B+ comes from unless you are including the eligibility issues and off the court stuff that he's had to deal with. I think that goes in another category, however.
 

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I think you're right on Skerry. Fits the profile.
 
Skerry was arguably the one bright spot during the Keno era at PC. Nadiir Tharpe (Kansas) and  Khem Birch (Pitt/UNLV) were destined for Prov before Skerry moved to Pitt to avoid the sinking ship. For PC's sake, I hope he's overlooked during this search.
 

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Just to put a bow on things, Calhoun was interviewed on Mad Dog Radio this afternoon around 4:30. He was asked point-blank if he was interested in the BC job.

"No. Not interested in the BC job. Haven't been contacted about it, either."

Russo asked him if he knew where all the speculation came from. Calhoun said he was talking with one of the ESPN/ABC basketball reporters and was asked if he was interested in another college job, for example BC. Calhoun said he still had passion for game and loved relationships with players, so "sure" he would be interested in an opportunity like that. Reporter then extrapolated those comments to SPECIFICALLY mean BC.

Calhoun said he understood why it was easy to try and connect him with the BC job, but he was very clear that BC was not "the answer to the question" for him right now.
 

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I keep hearing from our CBB guys at ESPN that Amaker is not interested in BC (and that Harvard would probably pay to keep him anyway, they can outspend BC if they want to).  Which brings BC back to Mike Hopkins (believed to be No. 1 on their list right now), Pat Skerry (Towson), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac) and Mark Schmidt (St. Bonaventure).  Not sure who would be the best hire.
 
Calhoun is not happening, at least not at BC.  Might look elsewhere.  Ben Howland (mentioned earlier) is trying to get the Marquette job.
 

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At this point, I'm just looking for some excitement. A sustainable long-term program that we had under Skinner seems like light years away. At the very least, McCarty would bring in better talent than what BC has had recently. All these Sweet 16 teams have athletic frontcourts that really protect the rim and we have a bunch of soft pasty white kids who should be playing for Quinnipiac or something. And our best frontcourt player, Anderson, is considering transferring for his final season. Our other half decent big man, Clifford, has Bill Walton's knees. If we can't land Skerry or Hopkins, it won't matter so why not have a little fun with it.
 
We don't want any of BC's crap talent on our roster at Quinnipiac. We only have one white kid. I think a couple of our better players were likely better than some of the players that BC trotted out there this year especially Ike Azotam (from Boston) and Ousane Drame (also from Boston). 
 

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minischwab, have you heard anything about Walter McCarty to BC?  Mannix reported it yesterday.  Would be an awful hire IMO.  No head coaching experience anywhere.
 
I haven't heard that name mentioned once by our guys.  I don't see it happening.  Mannix has good sources I'm sure, but I'd be surprised if that's the way they go. 
 
Looks like Scalabrine has some time on his hands after being booted from the bench in Golden State too, maybe he wants the job?  (Joking in case you can't tell).
 

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I will say it again. None of these names mean anything. They are all being floated by their agents as Bates keeps things close to the vest. Even Amaker wasn't on their list and word is he is using it to leverage more money from Harvard.

If BC was concerned about Pearl there's no way they would take Moore. Not sure where that would come from.

It's all conjecture but I still would like Skerry.
 

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Tom Moore has run a pretty clean ship at Quinnipiac. He had the shit at UConn which wasn't major but that program was pretty dirty under Calhoun.
 

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My son goes to the Moore basketball camp.

And I got a call from BC calling me to donate again, this time to Law School fund. I confirmed it was a student, then gave my annual NomoneytoBCfrommebecauseimaUCOnnfanandihateLeahyanddefilipposono,iwontdonate$750totheschool speech.

I did say I'd start giving again if UConn got into the ACC. She seemed entirely non-plussed by our conversation.
 

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My son goes to the Moore basketball camp.

And I got a call from BC calling me to donate again, this time to Law School fund. I confirmed it was a student, then gave my annual NomoneytoBCfrommebecauseimaUCOnnfanandihateLeahyanddefilipposono,iwontdonate$750totheschool speech.

I did say I'd start giving again if UConn got into the ACC. She seemed entirely non-plussed by our conversation.
 
I guess they should take your name off the donor list then.  As the BE 30 for 30 episode so brilliantly illustrated, no matter how good and dynamic a hoops program one might have, in college sports, football drives the bus. When expanding a conference  league officials are going to look at the football program to see if it brings anything to the table and secondly will look to see if the geograhical location of the school adds anything to viewership of a current or future television deal or network. Currently, UConn, in those key areas, doesn't bring much. Could change over time,  but the longer the football program wallows in a mid major conference, the less attractive it will be to the ACC or other Power BCS conferences.  Don;t want to hijack this thread as we have all discussed this at length over on the football threads for many years. Just an observation. Notwithstanding that, I wish you luck tomorrow night at MSG.
 

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Doug Beerabelli said:
My son goes to the Moore basketball camp.

And I got a call from BC calling me to donate again, this time to Law School fund. I confirmed it was a student, then gave my annual NomoneytoBCfrommebecauseimaUCOnnfanandihateLeahyanddefilipposono,iwontdonate$750totheschool speech.

I did say I'd start giving again if UConn got into the ACC. She seemed entirely non-plussed by our conversation.
People like you sucked for that one or two months I did the job.  Seriously, that a totally thankless job to get paid $8 an hour or whatever. 
 

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People like you sucked for that one or two months I did the job.  Seriously, that a totally thankless job to get paid $8 an hour or whatever.
Seriously? I thought a call like that would spice up your day a bit.

Did the messages get sent to higher ups, or did you just ignore it and move on? Seems like I wasn't the only one to do this.

It's telemarketing: It's supposed to suck!

I'll end thread hijack here.
 

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 Even Amaker wasn't on their list and word is he is using it to leverage more money from Harvard.

 
 
Where did you see this?  I'm hearing now they contacted Amaker's folks and were prepared to make an offer and Amaker flat out said no interest in the job.  Everything I have heard indicates he was No. 1 on their list and they were going hard after him.  Think they're trying to spin it now as "we never wanted him" to avoid the shame of having the Harvard coach say he has a better job already.
 

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Seriously? I thought a call like that would spice up your day a bit.

Did the messages get sent to higher ups, or did you just ignore it and move on? Seems like I wasn't the only one to do this.

It's telemarketing: It's supposed to suck!

I'll end thread hijack here.
No, we just hung up, said "Fuck off, I don't care" in our heads and by that time the automated system was already dialing.  Of course I was only doing it as a bridge between graduation and when my real job started so I may not have had the greatest attitude of all the callers. 
 

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Nothing that's been reported has come from BC. Look back at the football search. Tons of false information. No doubt in my mind that any information that you've heard is from the coach's camp.

From the beginning I've heard they want to talk to a couple go coaches who are still playing. It's a process.

And Blauds has been one of the loudest sources concerning Amaker. That pretty much says it all.
 

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My sources on Amaker aren't wrong. I work with enough Duke alumns and former ACC players and coaches to know that BC wanted him and he said no. Can't speak to the truth of any other whispers or rumors.  Amaker was their guy.  Now he might change his mind a few weeks removed from his season ending, but it sounds like he's off the list.
 

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My sources on Amaker aren't wrong. I work with enough Duke alumns and former ACC players and coaches to know that BC wanted him and he said no. Can't speak to the truth of any other whispers or rumors.  Amaker was their guy.  Now he might change his mind a few weeks removed from his season ending, but it sounds like he's off the list.
If you are correct (and I'm not convinced you are) I couldn't be happier. I think BC may have approached him as part of a larger search but it's been spun as "he was their guy". I have a feeling all of your sources are somehow connected to Amaker.
 

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BC has to ask him, but Amaker wasn't going to coach in the ACC against Duke.
 

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Nothing that's been reported has come from BC. Look back at the football search. Tons of false information. No doubt in my mind that any information that you've heard is from the coach's camp.

From the beginning I've heard they want to talk to a couple go coaches who are still playing. It's a process.

And Blauds has been one of the loudest sources concerning Amaker. That pretty much says it all.
 
 
........and Blauds is still pushing for Al Skinner to be rehired.....yikes!
 
As I said upthread, they will most likely hire a young coach from a mid major Northeast based conference. I think they are waiting for Dayton to lose so they can talk with Archie, but assuming that goes no where, look for a pretty pedestrian hire. Hoops is big, but it ain't football.
 

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https://twitter.com/mbvega/status/449944523394015234
Would that be a good hire??? As I have said I am not into the weeds when it comes to basketball. Only problem I see is that he has no HC experience, correct? I would want someone who has ran a college program.
 

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Not sure if this should be somewhere else, but Havrard just put out a release saying Amaker is staying:
 
"After thoughtful deliberation, I continue to realize my heart is at Harvard," Amaker stated. "To teach, lead and serve at this amazing institution, and in this special community, is truly meaningful to me."
 

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Not sure if this should be somewhere else, but Havrard just put out a release saying Amaker is staying:
 
"After thoughtful deliberation, I continue to realize my heart is at Harvard," Amaker stated. "To teach, lead and serve at this amazing institution, and in this special community, is truly meaningful to me."
The courtship between Harvard coach Tommy Amaker and Boston College officially ended on Saturday night with a simple statement. “After thoughtful deliberation< I continue to realize my heart is at Harvard,'' said Amaker in a release which confirmed that he would remain as the men's basketball coach with the Crimson.
Unofficially, the relationship between Amaker and Boston College ended last Tuesday when Amaker, through his agent, David Falk, let BC and anyone else who was interested know that there would be no "process'' involved in filling the job.
The message, as was first reported last week by a Jerseyguy. com, was that Amaker was indeed interested in talking to BC, but he was not applying for the job and would not be a candidate for the job with an assortment of other coaches.
The Boston College response was that there would be a process and that Amaker would be high on their list, but that their would be other coaches considered as well.

And that pretty much ended the discussion with BC, but Amaker had another suitor. Wake Forest called as well and offered Amaker what BC did not–no process–and a tentative offer to come back into the Atlantic Coast Conference.
But such a move would require Amaker to leave Boston. Amaker thought about it, talked about with his wife Stephanie Pinder-Amaker, who is a licensed clinical psychologist on staff at the Harvard Medical School, and they told Wake Forest, thanks, but no thanks. They had a great life at Harvard, loved the city and were not ready to give it up.
Taking the BC job would have been the compromise–move into the fast paced world of ACC basketball again, but stay in Boston.
BC officials, used to candidates who would accept an offer from BC under any conditions, did not know how to respond to Amaker's wishes of being the only candidate in the process, something he had done in taking jobs at Seton Hall, Michigan and Harvard. He was not adverse to interviewing, but he wasn't "applying'' for any job at this point in his career, which has risen steadily since his arrival in Cambridge with three consecutive NCAA tournament appearances and second round wins the past two years.
For BC, which is in a crisis stage with the direction of its basketball program, this hire could and should be regarded as crucial. Fan support is down, enthusiasm is below that level and private funding is shrinking.
The BC process of doing things on and off the court is antiquated, almost obsolete. Amaker had a vision in his head of how to turn things around, but BC never heard it all because the talks never really went beyond the process.
So Amaker will return to Harvard. "It's all good,'' he said last night, when asked about the future. "I'm in a great place.''
BC is not.

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BC has to ask him, but Amaker wasn't going to coach in the ACC against Duke.
Why? K just announced he's going to continue losing to double digit seeds the next five years, Amaker isn't a coach-in-waiting that long, he's from VA and embarrassed himself in the B1G. Seems his best options for career advancement lie in the ACC.

I'm shocked Brey didn't step down after ND accepted membership into the ACC rather than coach against his mentor.
 

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BC has been Fort Knox. Bates is pretty good at keeping the circle small and leeks to a minimum. I have no doubt that BC reached out to Amaker as a possible candidate but he was one of several they were interested. This was the process. I also don't believe there was any "front runner". Amaker's camp is trying to make it seem like he turned down the BC and WF gigs when neither was offered and neither a slam dunk.

Remember Blauds track record with the football search? No one had that one right.
 

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BC has been Fort Knox. Bates is pretty good at keeping the circle small and leeks to a minimum. I have no doubt that BC reached out to Amaker as a possible candidate but he was one of several they were interested. This was the process. I also don't believe there was any "front runner". Amaker's camp is trying to make it seem like he turned down the BC and WF gigs when neither was offered and neither a slam dunk.

Remember Blauds track record with the football search? No one had that one right.
 
ahem....I did on the football hire Dave....just sayin'.  Check out the 2013 thread if you need some refreshing on that. 
 
Can't say I know anything about basketball. I don;t and won't get into particular names as I really don't know anyone.  I just think that the coach will come from a Northeast mid major.....most of the  former BC HC's have come from those sorts of schools (URI-Al, Cornell-Donahue, Lafayette-Dr. Tom, American-Gary Williams, St Bonnies-O'Brien, Hofstra-Bob Zuffelato, Duke-Chuck Daly (asst for the Blue Devils, no HC experience prior to BC)....) Where do we see any "big" pre-BC name hires in this group? All the glory, if any, for these guys came either while at BC (Elite 8 appearances) or in their subsequent jobs...
 

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Fair enough. I was referring to the media.

So who do you like here?
 I would have said the guy from Manhattan until he self imploded last week ala George O'Leary. But like O'Leary did, this guy will recover. he didn;t kill anybody or devise a ponzi scheme.
 
I think you need to look in the Northeast corridor at a school with a younger coach who has been ramping up over the last few years......or look at the "new" BE and see if there are any coaches there who may feel like their career, through no fault of their own, has been hijacked. There might be a guy in that group.  Finally, as I asked up thread, did Bates hire a hoops coach at Miami or when he was at Vandy? If he did look at the guys he interviewed at those jobs and see if any of them appear to make any sense to BC. I think those three (3) "buckets" are where you will find the new coach.  as much as we argue about the status of the BC football coaching job, clearly the hoops job is the ultimate stepping stone.
 

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So ... Still nothing coming from BC but the message boards are percolating that Hopkins has an offer (or one of those go home and think about if you're interested offers that's not an offer).

He would be an interesting choice.
 

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Pete Thamel says Ohio U coach Jim Christian has emerged as a serious candidate for the job.
He took over Ohio two seasons ago and the view in Athens was that he underperformed in season 1 (he inherited a fully intact starting 5 that had gone to the Sweet 16 the year prior) but settled in well this year.
 

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Pete Thamel says Ohio U coach Jim Christian has emerged as a serious candidate for the job
 
ESPN has the same, and says Hopkins and Schmidt no longer in running.  Pretty bleh hiring IMO.  49 years old, 49-21 at Ohio and 56-73 at TCU. 
 

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This seems to be evolving just like the football search.  Lots of noise that may turn out to be false.  Addazio didn't even come out until the 24 hours before the hire (except for bernie).  For the umpteenth time I am hoping that's what happens here and the hire is Skerry.
 

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FGCU's Joe Dooley also in the mix now, according to reports.  Former Kansas assistant. Maybe just covering their bases as a few other guys drop out of the running.
 

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FGCU's Joe Dooley also in the mix now, according to reports.  Former Kansas assistant. Maybe just covering their bases as a few other guys drop out of the running.
 
I don't know who the right guy is, and I can't really comment on these individual people. 
 
I am just happy to see at least some indication that they are actually conducting a board search,  and not just looking for the best candidate within a 4 hour drive of campus.
 
BC basketball program has been a national program, with most of the best talent they have brought in coming from California or other areas west of the Mississippi,  yet for some reason they have repeatedly limited themselves to coaching searches that never left the Northeast Corridor, and recently haven't gone father than upstate NY